@dpencil1
Refer to my last sentence. Most parses are done with trial setting in mind, thus, having too much pen will over inflate how effective Acuity actually is. That's why I asked for a parse with trial settings.
On the other hand, you could also do a parse with Necro/MD with your lover mundus + extra spell erosion for comparison.
42k dps, although seems high, is some what arbitrary without the proper comparisons. I'm all for using non-meta sets and trying out new things. But not having a fair comparison to something people already know doesn't bring nearly as much value as it could.
WrathOfInnos wrote: »Thanks for some of the ideas in this guide! You definitely helped me improve my pet sorc DPS.
I'm actually getting almost exactly the same results by accompanying Acuity with 5 Necro + 1 Kena or with 2 Maw + 4 Moondancer. Average is about 42-43k solo dummy parse with either setup.
But who likes average, here are the peaks (44.6k with either gear option)
With Maw of the Infernal
With Necropotence
The only thing I changed from your bars was adding shock clench instead of inner light. Working an extra skill into the rotation does not add any length (still 9s), since a skill can be used instantly between the 2 consecutive heavy attacks.
I also prefer a spell damage back bar, but this doesn't seem to make much difference from a fire glyph (maybe more AoE). Therefore I like to minimize time spent on backbar and swap to front before activating the familiar. So I'm only on back bar for 2s to cast wall and liquid lightning.
LiquidPony wrote: »... the stamblade did OK, and I bet if I reset the rotation a bit I could really pump up the DPS.
Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »WrathOfInnos wrote: »Thanks for some of the ideas in this guide! You definitely helped me improve my pet sorc DPS.
I'm actually getting almost exactly the same results by accompanying Acuity with 5 Necro + 1 Kena or with 2 Maw + 4 Moondancer. Average is about 42-43k solo dummy parse with either setup.
But who likes average, here are the peaks (44.6k with either gear option)
With Maw of the Infernal
With Necropotence
The only thing I changed from your bars was adding shock clench instead of inner light. Working an extra skill into the rotation does not add any length (still 9s), since a skill can be used instantly between the 2 consecutive heavy attacks.
I also prefer a spell damage back bar, but this doesn't seem to make much difference from a fire glyph (maybe more AoE). Therefore I like to minimize time spent on backbar and swap to front before activating the familiar. So I'm only on back bar for 2s to cast wall and liquid lightning.
@WrathOfInnos
Yep, i tried about every gear combo I could think of. Most of them put you in the low 40s. I like you prefer to add shock clench in there as well, and I settled on 5 necro 4 moondancer, 2 ilambris. Maw is just a bit too much cheese for me (yes its more dummy DPS, but it can cause issues in trials). I just do LA>LL, LA>blockade on my back bar, and my front bar is HA>familiar, HA>Prey, LA, Clench.
I was skeptical about putting a HA in between Familiar and prey, but I tested it a bunch. Familiar ticks 5 times. If you go Familiar>LA>Prey, ticks 2,3,4 will get the prey buff. If you got Familiar>HA>Prey, tickes 3,4,5 get the buff so its a wash. I just think the rotation is smoother (curtousy of jkith on tam foundry). Even without an execute, you can hit 43k like clockwork on a dummy. Clench is also nice because you can front bar meteor.
LiquidPony wrote: »@dpencil1
Thanks for posting this thread. I came across this a few weeks ago, saw LZH using Mechanical Acuity in a recent vHoF video, and saw some other comments elsewhere that led me to believe that this set might be really strong and that people were sleeping on it ...
I spent a number of hours last weekend testing the set on a variety of builds.
So far I've had really good success with it on a magsorc and stamsorc ... the stamblade did OK, and I bet if I reset the rotation a bit I could really pump up the DPS.
Anyway, some results (keep in mind that the magsorc numbers are a bit inflated by the bugged Off-Balance uptime on PTS):
Stamblade 43k+ solo (5 x Mechanical Acuity, 5 x War Machine, 2 x Zaan, Redguard): https://i.imgur.com/4T2QW65.jpg
Stamsorc 39k solo (5 x Mechanical Acuity, 5 x Automaton, 2 x Kra'gh, Redguard): https://i.imgur.com/L6msIuR.jpg
Magsorc 42.7k solo (5 x Mechanical Acuity, 5 x Necropotence, 1 x Kena, Altmer): https://i.imgur.com/uZYCSDG.jpg
All tests done with The Apprentice/The Warrior with raid CP (something like 25-30 points in Piercing/Spell Erosion). Stam toons were tested with 1 x Nirnhoned sword (yes, a sword lol) and 1 x Infused axe with a Nirnhoned Maelstrom bow (with double damage health poisons).
For the magsorc I also tested a simple Force Pulse rotation (LA Lightning, LA Blockade, swap, LA Curse, HA Force Pulse, HA Pet Pulse ... then when Mechanical Acuity procs that HA-->Force Pulse is replaced with LA-->Force Pulse x 3), and I also tested with a simple Mines rotation, and was able to hit in the 42-44k range with both of those setups as well.
I also tested on a magblade but wasn't able to figure out a rotation to make it work better than a meta Julianos/Moondancer/Skoria setup (although I'm sure it's possible, just a little rusty on the ol' magblade).
Most impressive to me: I have not played a magsorc since Morrowind dropped and have never played a stamsorc and was able to hit better solo parse numbers than most anyone I know using these setups. The stamsorc works really well because when you bar-swap out of Ballista right as Mechanical Acuity procs ... wow. Note that in the parse I posted I got 22/24 crits on Ballista ticks (and in others it was 100% crit on the utli).
I spent a couple of days evangelizing the set in my guild's band chat, even crafted and golded out a bunch of Mechanical Acuity on live on my XB/NA account so that I could post parse videos on live, and no one really bit on it. Then some of that information started spreading around, I start getting messages in Band from people I don't know asking about it, and the other night I hear "so and so (one of the top magsorcs on XB/NA in the top guild on XB/NA) just hit almost 3k higher than her highest raid parse ever using this set" ... and now all of the magsorcs in my group are all over it.
Anyway, last night we did some raid parsing on the 52mil dummy, and across the board every single magsorc hit their highest numbers ever by a significant margin. One of our core players, who plays on NA from Japan, hit close to 52k, which was her first time every breaking 50k and she blew it out of the water.
I'm not entirely sure of the setup they're using, but I believe it's 5 x Mechanical Acuity on the body since they are using a Force Pulse/Frags rotation and not spending as much time on the front bar. This set is also brutal on trash pulls if a couple of magsorcs can time their Destro Ultis with the Acuity proc.
One other thing that I find really exciting about this set: that basic rotation you posted (and I tweaked it a bit for my liking) is so easy. I've got players who aren't full-on end game raiders using this set and a simple heavy attack/clench rotation and pulling 40k solo on the target skeleton, which is massively higher than they were hitting in the past.
Anyway, hope some of that information is useful. A lot of people (ahem:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMVg0vp6R-Q) just did some irrelevant bad theorycrafting "basic math" on this set and wrote it off without testing, but I believe that they are wrong. I am coming around to the idea that Mechanical Acuity might be a BiS set for some builds with low crit, and I'm wagering that within the next few weeks we'll start seeing the usual Youtubers and other "build experts" start posting builds using this set.
LiquidPony wrote: »@dpencil1
Thanks for posting this thread. I came across this a few weeks ago, saw LZH using Mechanical Acuity in a recent vHoF video, and saw some other comments elsewhere that led me to believe that this set might be really strong and that people were sleeping on it ...
I spent a number of hours last weekend testing the set on a variety of builds.
So far I've had really good success with it on a magsorc and stamsorc ... the stamblade did OK, and I bet if I reset the rotation a bit I could really pump up the DPS.
Anyway, some results (keep in mind that the magsorc numbers are a bit inflated by the bugged Off-Balance uptime on PTS):
Stamblade 43k+ solo (5 x Mechanical Acuity, 5 x War Machine, 2 x Zaan, Redguard): https://i.imgur.com/4T2QW65.jpg
Stamsorc 39k solo (5 x Mechanical Acuity, 5 x Automaton, 2 x Kra'gh, Redguard): https://i.imgur.com/L6msIuR.jpg
Magsorc 42.7k solo (5 x Mechanical Acuity, 5 x Necropotence, 1 x Kena, Altmer): https://i.imgur.com/uZYCSDG.jpg
All tests done with The Apprentice/The Warrior with raid CP (something like 25-30 points in Piercing/Spell Erosion). Stam toons were tested with 1 x Nirnhoned sword (yes, a sword lol) and 1 x Infused axe with a Nirnhoned Maelstrom bow (with double damage health poisons).
For the magsorc I also tested a simple Force Pulse rotation (LA Lightning, LA Blockade, swap, LA Curse, HA Force Pulse, HA Pet Pulse ... then when Mechanical Acuity procs that HA-->Force Pulse is replaced with LA-->Force Pulse x 3), and I also tested with a simple Mines rotation, and was able to hit in the 42-44k range with both of those setups as well.
I also tested on a magblade but wasn't able to figure out a rotation to make it work better than a meta Julianos/Moondancer/Skoria setup (although I'm sure it's possible, just a little rusty on the ol' magblade).
Most impressive to me: I have not played a magsorc since Morrowind dropped and have never played a stamsorc and was able to hit better solo parse numbers than most anyone I know using these setups. The stamsorc works really well because when you bar-swap out of Ballista right as Mechanical Acuity procs ... wow. Note that in the parse I posted I got 22/24 crits on Ballista ticks (and in others it was 100% crit on the utli).
I spent a couple of days evangelizing the set in my guild's band chat, even crafted and golded out a bunch of Mechanical Acuity on live on my XB/NA account so that I could post parse videos on live, and no one really bit on it. Then some of that information started spreading around, I start getting messages in Band from people I don't know asking about it, and the other night I hear "so and so (one of the top magsorcs on XB/NA in the top guild on XB/NA) just hit almost 3k higher than her highest raid parse ever using this set" ... and now all of the magsorcs in my group are all over it.
Anyway, last night we did some raid parsing on the 52mil dummy, and across the board every single magsorc hit their highest numbers ever by a significant margin. One of our core players, who plays on NA from Japan, hit close to 52k, which was her first time every breaking 50k and she blew it out of the water.
I'm not entirely sure of the setup they're using, but I believe it's 5 x Mechanical Acuity on the body since they are using a Force Pulse/Frags rotation and not spending as much time on the front bar. This set is also brutal on trash pulls if a couple of magsorcs can time their Destro Ultis with the Acuity proc.
One other thing that I find really exciting about this set: that basic rotation you posted (and I tweaked it a bit for my liking) is so easy. I've got players who aren't full-on end game raiders using this set and a simple heavy attack/clench rotation and pulling 40k solo on the target skeleton, which is massively higher than they were hitting in the past.
Anyway, hope some of that information is useful. A lot of people (ahem:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMVg0vp6R-Q) just did some irrelevant bad theorycrafting "basic math" on this set and wrote it off without testing, but I believe that they are wrong. I am coming around to the idea that Mechanical Acuity might be a BiS set for some builds with low crit, and I'm wagering that within the next few weeks we'll start seeing the usual Youtubers and other "build experts" start posting builds using this set.
@LiquidPony when running Mechanical Acuity on your Stam toons, is it only front barred or are you only front barring the accompanying set?
KingYogi415 wrote: »I only have a VMA fire staff after 50+ runs.
Is that worth using over the VMA lightning?
WrathOfInnos wrote: »KingYogi415 wrote: »I only have a VMA fire staff after 50+ runs.
Is that worth using over the VMA lightning?
Yes VMA fire back bar works great, I often switch to that in trials if a few others have lightning wall of elements already. It will only be a DPS loss when solo (dummy numbers won't look good).
Fire wall will become even more desirable with the off-balance changes planned with Dragon Bones. I would recommend sticking with lightning on front bar, since the heavy attacks are much stronger.
KingYogi415 wrote: »@WrathOfInnos
This is great information, thank you!
I do want to practice a non-pet rotation as well. So going infused on my vma staff sounds good and I can switch the glyphs when needed.
For my non-pet build i'm planning 4 moon/5 acuity (front bar staff) and Illambris.
I'm having a hard time finding a non-pet rotation that matches up well with Acuity procs.
Could you recommend any rotations or link a youtube one that might be able to break 35k with this build? I also have the imperfect alysum flame destro but im not sure if that is useless or not for a force pulse/ frag build.