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XxBradeyxX

I have seen less and less magplar dps running around in PvE. I am thinking about leveling one as a dps. But I am not sure if I should take the time to. If I did would he be decent for PvE or PvP?

WuffyCerulei

They are, but at range instead of the classic puncturing sweeps melee builds.

XxBradeyxX

So would I just be more accepted as a healer than a dps for vet trials and end game PvE?

idiotsavant53

Magplar is seriously underrated imo, even with the nerfs. My magplar can solo most of the non dlc group dungeons on normal (with the obvious 3 or 4 exceptions) on one bar. That's with a spam sweeps, a heal and 3 dots and very little skill on my part.

Siliziumdioxid

They are decent range DD's but outclassed by petsorcs and magblades, they deal roughly the same dps like a nonpetsorc. When you compare them to stam chars of any kind they are far off when it comes to singletarget dps.

Typical Approaches are:
the Double clench Rotation: around ~39k selfbuffed on a 3kk dummie (sustainable in a group but not alone, most likely the highest dps in a group)
the Forcepulse spam Rotation: ~39k selfbuffed on 3kk skeleton (perfected asylum needed, very hard on sustain, huge uptime on concussion/offbalance)
the 7sec heavy attack rotation with a single clench: ~38k selfbuffed on 6kk (infinitely sustainable)
typical puncturing sweeps rotation: ~36k selfbuffed on 3kk dummie (melee, dont try it with swords)

XxBradeyxX wrote: »

So would I just be more accepted as a healer than a dps for vet trials and end game PvE?

No not necessarily they are decent and you can complete any endgame content with it.

Nihilos

idiotsavant53 wrote: »

Magplar is seriously underrated imo, even with the nerfs. My magplar can solo most of the non dlc group dungeons on normal (with the obvious 3 or 4 exceptions) on one bar. That's with a spam sweeps, a heal and 3 dots and very little skill on my part.

You can solo all the normal dungeons on a lowbie missing half its skills. This is not even close to a good metric to use. Most raid teams do not use magplar DDs at all.

Malic

Got to be geared correctly, slime craw, war maiden and soulshine are going to produce good dps with dark flare on a single target, each will buff puncturing sweeps as well. If you are running soul assault here, overall youre going to do competitive SINGLE TARGET DPS.

The problem is, as mentioned above, there are better DPS classes/builds out there and plenty of them. unless your pugging, an organized raid/guild group isnt going to be looking for a magpalar DD for its runs.

And best of luck queing for randoms on a DPS.

DarkAedin

https://youtu.be/uBXAzlvzLPE

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idk

XxBradeyxX wrote: »

So would I just be more accepted as a healer than a dps for vet trials and end game PvE?

You should find the stamina dps posting much higher numbers than a melee mPlar which is why those who really want to play their mPlars are going ranged. Any trial really needs some to go ranged and ranged damage dealers.

Unless you are running with a competitive group you should be find as a ranged mPlar if they prefer to have stam in melee.

J18696

Compared to the other classes they are probably one of the worst for pve dps none of the top teir pve guilds use them Because so many better options if you want todo range sorc or nightblade are better and stam is better for melee

Flameheart

J18696 wrote: »

Compared to the other classes they are probably one of the worst for pve dps none of the top teir pve guilds use them Because so many better options if you want todo range sorc or nightblade are better and stam is better for melee

Sadly this, at least for the world of trials and raids.

Here is a Magplar ranged build which is somewhat competitive: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOEOvFqS58Y
but hard to sustain I think. In addition you should notice that a second guy gives him Exploiter effects with heavy lighting staff attacks and lighting walls, which is actualy unusual for a dummy dps test (but ok, I did it for my magDK too that way because it's essential not just for the dps of a magDK but also for the ressources).

...but as someone already said above, NBs and Sorcs with pet are better on range when it comes to max dps and stamDDs absolutely rule the melee slots. If you don't need to chain mobs or interrupt with Deep Breath like in LoM you won't find even magDKs, which do still a ton of dps if you have enough Exploiter effects and therefore Powerlash procs, in progress raids.

J18696

No one runs mdk atm either because power lash proc removes off balance and lower grp dps from what ive been told

BigBadVolk

atm they're decent, not the best, for dungeons you can still run magplar deeps, and for trials too if you're group isnt going for the best of the best score

J18696 wrote: »

No one runs mdk atm either because power lash proc removes off balance and lower grp dps from what ive been told

well heavy attacks also removes off balance, the reason is same, its just stam has better deeps for melee spots

FrancisCrawford

Malic wrote: »

Got to be geared correctly, slime craw, war maiden and soulshine are going to produce good dps with dark flare on a single target, each will buff puncturing sweeps as well. If you are running soul assault here, overall youre going to do competitive SINGLE TARGET DPS.

The problem is, as mentioned above, there are better DPS classes/builds out there and plenty of them. unless your pugging, an organized raid/guild group isnt going to be looking for a magpalar DD for its runs.

And best of luck queing for randoms on a DPS.

Slimecraw? Have raid groups stopped running Combat Prayer?

Qbiken

Flameheart wrote: »

J18696 wrote: »

Compared to the other classes they are probably one of the worst for pve dps none of the top teir pve guilds use them Because so many better options if you want todo range sorc or nightblade are better and stam is better for melee

Sadly this, at least for the world of trials and raids.

Here is a Magplar ranged build which is somewhat competitive: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOEOvFqS58Y
but hard to sustain I think. In addition you should notice that a second guy gives him Exploiter effects with heavy lighting staff attacks and lighting walls, which is actualy unusual for a dummy dps test (but ok, I did it for my magDK too that way because it's essential not just for the dps of a magDK but also for the ressources).

...but as someone already said above, NBs and Sorcs with pet are better on range when it comes to max dps and stamDDs absolutely rule the melee slots. If you don't need to chain mobs or interrupt with Deep Breath like in LoM you won't find even magDKs, which do still a ton of dps if you have enough Exploiter effects and therefore Powerlash procs, in progress raids.

@Flameheart
Can I ask what setup you´re running?? Having some issues myself atm. Did vAA with pre-Morrowind setup yesterday (Moondancer sword setup) and managed to pull 32k dps on last boss (Could push it to 39-41k pre-Morrowind, but then calculations to magplar maindps skills happened.....)

Flameheart

Qbiken wrote: »

Flameheart wrote: »

J18696 wrote: »

Compared to the other classes they are probably one of the worst for pve dps none of the top teir pve guilds use them Because so many better options if you want todo range sorc or nightblade are better and stam is better for melee

Sadly this, at least for the world of trials and raids.

Here is a Magplar ranged build which is somewhat competitive: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOEOvFqS58Y
but hard to sustain I think. In addition you should notice that a second guy gives him Exploiter effects with heavy lighting staff attacks and lighting walls, which is actualy unusual for a dummy dps test (but ok, I did it for my magDK too that way because it's essential not just for the dps of a magDK but also for the ressources).

...but as someone already said above, NBs and Sorcs with pet are better on range when it comes to max dps and stamDDs absolutely rule the melee slots. If you don't need to chain mobs or interrupt with Deep Breath like in LoM you won't find even magDKs, which do still a ton of dps if you have enough Exploiter effects and therefore Powerlash procs, in progress raids.

@Flameheart
Can I ask what setup you´re running?? Having some issues myself atm. Did vAA with pre-Morrowind setup yesterday (Moondancer sword setup) and managed to pull 32k dps on last boss (Could push it to 39-41k pre-Morrowind, but then calculations to magplar maindps skills happened.....)

The video isn't from me, but my guess is 5x Julianos, 2x Ilambris (as far as I remember he uses double clench, main and backbar, this makes only sense with Ilambris), 4x Aether/Moondancer, 1x vMA staff. One staff fire, one lightning. The skill setup you can see in the video, I think he gives a fast overview for his gear too (sadly the gear tooltips are in french as far as I remember). I do play my magplar - if at all - as a dd in 4-man-stuff and even there i find it hard to sustain.

FakeFox

I still like playing Magplar as a melee in 4 man contend as it is still pretty strong there with it's huge cleave burst and being rather independent from support. However for Raids it's pretty much dead right now. It does not do enough consistant damage to earn a meleespot and as a range it is okayish but brings nothing special and is rather weak compared to NB and Sorc. The scaling and sustain changes since Morrowind have sadly killed Magplar.

ROIVAS1

Does anyone have a good high dps rotation and cp setup for a magplar. Currently running 5 julianos 4 Infall 2 ilambris. Having trouble getting past 25k

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Define viable. Can you complete any PVE content as a magplar DPS? Sure. The problem is that they are generally built for melee damage, and they just cant compete with Stamina. Magic DK has a similar problem. Since most raids require 4 ranged and 4 melee, you will have trouble getting a spot in a competitive raid. They cant compete with Magic Sorcs or Mageblades at range, and they cant compete with really any stamina class in melee. If you dont plan to run competitive raids, then knock yourself out.

WuffyCerulei

I'll share my rangeplar build with ya. So my templar's wearing 5 julianos, 3 Willpower jewels (arcane with all spell damage enchants), 2 Ilambris, 1 vMA infused lightning staff, and 1 infused Imperfect AS Fire staff. All gear is divines with magicka enchants. Weapon damage enchant on the vMA staff and shock on the fire staff. Front bar(fire staff) is: Purifying Light, Force Pulse, Vampire's Bane, Radiant Oppression, Inner light, Empowering sweep. Backbar: Blazing Shards, Elemental Blockade, Channeled Focus, Dampen Magicka, Inner Light, Elemental Rage. The reason why I have Empowering Sweep on my front bar is for the crit damage bonus when an Aedric Spear skill is slotted. With this setup, I can usually get 33k dps by myself. My magplar's an Argonian, but an Altmer or Dunmer would get more deeps.

Zenatheia

WuffyCerulei wrote: »

I'll share my rangeplar build with ya. So my templar's wearing 5 julianos, 3 Willpower jewels (arcane with all spell damage enchants), 2 Ilambris, 1 vMA infused lightning staff, and 1 infused Imperfect AS Fire staff. All gear is divines with magicka enchants. Weapon damage enchant on the vMA staff and shock on the fire staff. Front bar(fire staff) is: Purifying Light, Force Pulse, Vampire's Bane, Radiant Oppression, Inner light, Empowering sweep. Backbar: Blazing Shards, Elemental Blockade, Channeled Focus, Dampen Magicka, Inner Light, Elemental Rage. The reason why I have Empowering Sweep on my front bar is for the crit damage bonus when an Aedric Spear skill is slotted. With this setup, I can usually get 33k dps by myself. My magplar's an Argonian, but an Altmer or Dunmer would get more deeps.

How do you manage magicka sustain with those gear set ups? I currently run Seducer/Julianos/Willpower + Skoria and I don't have sustain issues but I would like to swap my gear for better DPS.

Thanks!