Crown Crates vs Purchase

DarkAedin

Just wondering where the public holds. Anon.

Denyiir

No idea what is this poll about

Hanokihs

Denyiir wrote: »

No idea what is this poll about

Just another thread/poll trying (in vain) to convince ZOS to make crate items directly purchasable instead of locking them in loot boxes. I suspect 99% of players would either prefer to buy the things they want directly (because who wants to throw away money if they don't have to?) or don't care (because they don't like the items and aren't interested in obtaining them).

The other 1% are, naturally, liars and trolls.

TelvanniWizard

Pretty obvius answer.

idk

Denyiir wrote: »

No idea what is this poll about

Does not matter. Crown crates are likely not going away soon. To many players purchase them so they are a good revenue stream.

ArcVelarian

idk wrote: »

Denyiir wrote: »

No idea what is this poll about

Does not matter. Crown crates are likely not going away soon. To many players purchase them so they are a good revenue stream.

Well, they might get regulated as gambling now that Lawmakers and Regulatory Agencies are looking into loot boxes.

Vaoh

Just like the AoE Caps poll - ZOS ignores their playerbase entirely on the topic, which causes many people to lose more respect for them. It was the same thing when Crown Crates first released. Not many players are going to quit the game over this (despite a massive amount of PvPers doing the very same in the past over AoE Caps), but it will have other effects. Crown Crates and increasing Crown prices just cause a ton of players to no longer purchase stuff in this game on principle.

Worse Dev reputation + far less microtransactions being done (but on average much more $$ from those who do spend) = unhappy playerbase with a lot less extra cash being made overtime than one would think with this extent of microtransactions in the game.

The way it has always appeared to me is that ZOS prefers the short term cash over the long term maintainance of ESO that results in a healthy game/playerbase, and is now starting to pay for it. Years of unpopular, horrible balance decisions and neglectful treatment of the game has caused game performance and lag to become truly terrible. Their free advertisement (streamers) are basically all gone because they got fed up with these same problems. The PvP and endgame PvE communities are actually small enough to be considered comparatively “dead” to how they were years ago, and the game’s performance is flat out horrendous rn especially on console.

This is my first MMO so hopefully what I am seeing is considered normal? The implementation of Criwn Crates themselves and recent, increased focus on them in light of ESO’s deteriorating game performance and minuscule PvP/endgame PvE crowds looks really bad to me. I’d rather buy a “Chapter” that fixes the longstanding and worsening major flaws of ESO than any new content.

Banana

Crown crates shouldnt exist

mikecrci

I've been playing for several months, and I don't even know what Crown Crates are. I think I got something related to crown crates as a free bonus. Some giant cat appeared out of nowhere and started dealing me cards.

Since I have zero interest in card games, I just hit things at random and got a reward. I think it was a soul gem.

Is this ESO's version of loot boxes?

DarkAedin

mikecrci wrote: »

I've been playing for several months, and I don't even know what Crown Crates are. I think I got something related to crown crates as a free bonus. Some giant cat appeared out of nowhere and started dealing me cards.

Since I have zero interest in card games, I just hit things at random and got a reward. I think it was a soul gem.

Is this ESO's version of loot boxes?

Yep, weighted rng loot boxes

DarkAedin

Vaoh wrote: »

Just like the AoE Caps poll - ZOS ignores their playerbase entirely on the topic, which causes many people to lose more respect for them. It was the same thing when Crown Crates first released. Not many players are going to quit the game over this (despite a massive amount of PvPers doing the very same in the past over AoE Caps), but it will have other effects. Crown Crates and increasing Crown prices just cause a ton of players to no longer purchase stuff in this game on principle.

Worse Dev reputation + far less microtransactions being done (but on average much more $$ from those who do spend) = unhappy playerbase with a lot less extra cash being made overtime than one would think with this extent of microtransactions in the game.

The way it has always appeared to me is that ZOS prefers the short term cash over the long term maintainance of ESO that results in a healthy game/playerbase, and is now starting to pay for it. Years of unpopular, horrible balance decisions and neglectful treatment of the game has caused game performance and lag to become truly terrible. Their free advertisement (streamers) are basically all gone because they got fed up with these same problems. The PvP and endgame PvE communities are actually small enough to be considered comparatively “dead” to how they were years ago, and the game’s performance is flat out horrendous rn especially on console.

This is my first MMO so hopefully what I am seeing is considered normal? The implementation of Criwn Crates themselves and recent, increased focus on them in light of ESO’s deteriorating game performance and minuscule PvP/endgame PvE crowds looks really bad to me. I’d rather buy a “Chapter” that fixes the longstanding and worsening major flaws of ESO than any new content.

Hit the nail on the head!

Orticia

I voted for crown crates are ok......BUT......I like crown crates only as long as they accompany them with the 3 for free weekends like now. Free fun stuff. If it was all direct buy only there would likely not be these free handouts. Most of all I would have liked a sizable part of the items to have just been earn-able through the game. More so then getting some handed over for free.

DarkAedin

Orticia wrote: »

I voted for crown crates are ok......BUT......I like crown crates only as long as they accompany them with the 3 for free weekends like now. Free fun stuff. If it was all direct buy only there would likely not be these free handouts. Most of all I would have liked a sizable part of the items to have just been earn-able through the game. More so then getting some handed over for free.

Props for voicing ur opinion

Hanokihs

Orticia wrote: »

I voted for crown crates are ok......BUT......I like crown crates only as long as they accompany them with the 3 for free weekends like now. Free fun stuff. If it was all direct buy only there would likely not be these free handouts. Most of all I would have liked a sizable part of the items to have just been earn-able through the game. More so then getting some handed over for free.

On the subject of free hand-outs, one thing worries me: platform lockout. I certainly don't expect them to dish out anything like the Radiant Apex mounts for free, and I doubt even the smaller trinkets will become a regular thing, yet despite my appreciation that they're actually giving away anything, I do not like that we can't choose what cosmetic things we get from an offered set.

Take the little robosnakes. It'd have been nicer to get an opportunity to pick one, instead of having them locked to pc/xbox/ps4 like they were. The kind of people who like cosmetics are the kind of people who also like to coordinate said cosmetics with the rest of their characters' appearances. Many were disappointed by the lack of options, and if we start getting more and more awesome things, I anticipate a lot of fomo and hard feelings.

ThePrinceOfBargains

Never liked them, but they became a real problem when they introduced the “Radiant Apex” mounts. They have no problem exploiting their customers with that BS, so they deserve no more respect than EA. They deserve even less in my opinion.

Pops_ND_Irish

I like crown crates. I buy if I want, don't buy when I don't.
I dont feel someone twisting my arm. Game is still great!

Thannazzar

Am fine with gamblepacks in general, however in other games you can trade or sell unwanted items.

ESO has partially the right approach but the issue for me is twofold,

1: All contents should be purchasable with gems, no gamble only exclusives.

2. All items should be convertible to gems, not just duplicates.

Thereby you can all ways purchase what you want, but you might get lucky and get an RNG drop that gives the chosen item to you at effectively a third of the gem cost.

Raideen

I dislike crown crates in general. Why should I have to gamble my money in a game to get an item. RNG should not exist on purchases. Its like going to McDonalds, handing the cashier a $10.00 and getting some random food back. In the case of most loot crates it would be 3 French fries and a cup for water.

The apex crystals, purple gems, or whatever they are called is even worse. They should at least give you the option to sell back every time for exact purple gem value.

What really gets me is that I quit SWTOR because of the greed in crown crates. At least they give you 2x the amount of crates for the same amount of money, and at least you can sell your stuff in game for gold.

I have loved Bethesda for a very long time, always considered them one of the best game companies on the planet. Never saw them as greedy, but ESO (sadly) is changing that.

I really wish game companies would focus on making games fun first and letting their income be a result of that. Now adays games are designed to get you to spend money while you reach out for the fun. Its backwards.

Elsonso

Raideen wrote: »

I dislike crown crates in general. Why should I have to gamble my money in a game to get an item. RNG should not exist on purchases. Its like going to McDonalds, handing the cashier a $10.00 and getting some random food back. In the case of most loot crates it would be 3 French fries and a cup for water.

The apex crystals, purple gems, or whatever they are called is even worse. They should at least give you the option to sell back every time for exact purple gem value.

What really gets me is that I quit SWTOR because of the greed in crown crates. At least they give you 2x the amount of crates for the same amount of money, and at least you can sell your stuff in game for gold.

I have loved Bethesda for a very long time, always considered them one of the best game companies on the planet. Never saw them as greedy, but ESO (sadly) is changing that.

I really wish game companies would focus on making games fun first and letting their income be a result of that. Now adays games are designed to get you to spend money while you reach out for the fun. Its backwards.

Are the fries fresh?

It has been pretty clear for a while now that Bethesda Softworks is actively pushing the envelope to see what they can monetize and by how much. Not just with ESO, but also with the single player games. Now, with Legends, they have a whole new world to monetize.

If they follow the same ruler that Lambert mentioned, where the idea isn't good unless half the people complain about it (I am paraphrasing from memory), then we can expect a whole lot of complaining about a bunch of games that Bethesda publishes.

I, too, wish the studios and publishers would focus on the game, not the monetization. The sad fact is that gamers are cheap, and if there is a free option and a paid option, a lot of them will follow the free option. This means that studios cannot charge what it takes to cover expenses, but they can't cut back on the game or people won't buy it.

I don't like loot boxes. I don't know that they are making the game any better, but they certainly can make the game worse. People assume that revenue is funneled back into ESO, but that isn't necessarily the case. ZOS can be doing two things. They can be developing new and exciting things for ESO, or they could be working on Project X ("ZOS continues to work on ESO DLC, continuing support and maintenance, as well as unannounced projects."). When people like Mandi Parker leave ZOS for BGS, it makes me wonder whether ZOS is actually working on anything interesting. Her sort of talent is what I would expect ZOS needs.