I Recently Had An Epiphany

Ch4mpTW

I recently have come to the realization that for some odd reason, I can heal more with my Nightblade, than any other class. Including my Templar and Warden. To be specific, my magicka Nightblade. It’s odd, to be honest. It’s like I have constant major mending up (even though I don’t), and have constant forms of healing up at all times. If my HP hits to say 10%, I can somehow manage to instantly go back to full with little to no sustain issues at all. And mind you, this is in both PvE and PvP environments. And it is built as a damage dealer. Not a healer. Same with my Templars and Wardens. Again, all of which being damage dealers. Not healers.

Has anyone else noticed the ridiculous amounts of healing that Nightblades can do? I can’t be the only 1 who notices this.

Turelus

Shhh you're not meant to tell them. Wrobel might find out.

All jokes aside, I find they heal well mostly due to their main spam attack being a HoT as well. Although enough burst or a big boss hit can still knock me down fast.

T4T2FR34K

Sounding more like a brain aneurysm to me....

Ch4mpTW

Turelus wrote: »

Shhh you're not meant to tell them. Wrobel might find out.

All jokes aside, I find they heal well mostly due to their main spam attack being a HoT as well. Although enough burst or a big boss hit can still knock me down fast.

It’s crazy. Lol. 2 classes which are in a sense designed to heal (somewhat), has weaker self-healing than a class designed to deal damage. Yeah, they may not have a Sorc’s Twilight or Templar’s BoL. Not even a DK’s Cauterize (LMAO), but damn the heals are ridiculous. I can only imagine I’d make them an Argonians. Sheesh.

I forgot how OP Nightblades are in use, as I only use them when I get triggered. Crazy defenses from evasion and all that jazz with shields and standard class defense buffs. Crazy heals (burst and over time). Crazy damage. Has access to mobility (class-based). Has access to an execute (class-based). Can engage and disengage targets at will through cloak. Has access to pets like a Sorc. Has the best burst damage in the game, with the most cheesy ult in the game too? Why the hell do I still have a MagDK for? Smfh. And devs meanwhile still buffing NB’s back after back? LOL!

ParaNostram

OP, how do you set up your magblade healer? Just curious.

red_emu

Sooooooooo... nerf sorc then?

Nestor

This is why I went back to Magic on my NB. I got tired of trying to keep my Stamblade alive.

Ch4mpTW

Nestor wrote: »

This is why I went back to Magic on my NB. I got tired of trying to keep my Stamblade alive.

I hardly blame you. Although, keeping a StamBlade alive is relatively easy as well (IMO). But definitely nowhere near as easy as a MagBlade. MagBlade is pretty much easy mode for both PvE and PvP. Hands down, and without a doubt.

ParaNostram wrote: »

OP, how do you set up your magblade healer? Just curious.

It’s not a healer, although I’m genuinely curious how a MagBlade healer performs nowadays. I had heard of people running MagBlade healers in VMoL pre-Morrowind quite frequently, and I’m curious if that is still the case regarding all trials post-Morrowind. True indeed Templars have BOL as a panic button, and Wardens have those HOTs, but I have a feeling that Nightblades as designated healers are quite potent.

Samadhi

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

... If my HP hits to say 10%, I can somehow manage to instantly go back to full with little to no sustain issues at all. ...

Instantly back to full as a burst heal
or instantly back to full as HoTs ticking on a small maximum Health bar?

ChildOfLight

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Shhh you're not meant to tell them. Wrobel might find out.

All jokes aside, I find they heal well mostly due to their main spam attack being a HoT as well. Although enough burst or a big boss hit can still knock me down fast.

It’s crazy. Lol. 2 classes which are in a sense designed to heal (somewhat), has weaker self-healing than a class designed to deal damage. Yeah, they may not have a Sorc’s Twilight or Templar’s BoL. Not even a DK’s Cauterize (LMAO), but damn the heals are ridiculous. I can only imagine I’d make them an Argonians. Sheesh.

I forgot how OP Nightblades are in use, as I only use them when I get triggered. Crazy defenses from evasion and all that jazz with shields and standard class defense buffs. Crazy heals (burst and over time). Crazy damage. Has access to mobility (class-based). Has access to an execute (class-based). Can engage and disengage targets at will through cloak. Has access to pets like a Sorc. Has the best burst damage in the game, with the most cheesy ult in the game too? Why the hell do I still have a MagDK for? Smfh. And devs meanwhile still buffing NB’s back after back? LOL!

#balance #design #pvp

Inig0

mAgICkA nigHAtbLaDE hAs goOD seLf heAls. wHat A conCEPt

Ch4mpTW

Samadhi wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

... If my HP hits to say 10%, I can somehow manage to instantly go back to full with little to no sustain issues at all. ...

Instantly back to full as a burst heal
or instantly back to full as HoTs ticking on a small maximum Health bar?

Bruh, go roll a Nightblade. And compare your heals to any other class you have. Lol. More so a MagBlade. Do that and see the difference for yourself.

I have a magicka variant of every class, and I can heal and sustain my resources the most on my MagBlade. Not my MagPlar. Not my MagDen. Not my MagSorc. And definitely my MagDK. My MagBlade. And if I can’t outheal the damage I’m taking passively, I can just shield up or start cloaking to disengage. Lol. The cheese is intense.

Lyserus

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Shhh you're not meant to tell them. Wrobel might find out.

All jokes aside, I find they heal well mostly due to their main spam attack being a HoT as well. Although enough burst or a big boss hit can still knock me down fast.

It’s crazy. Lol. 2 classes which are in a sense designed to heal (somewhat), has weaker self-healing than a class designed to deal damage. Yeah, they may not have a Sorc’s Twilight or Templar’s BoL. Not even a DK’s Cauterize (LMAO), but damn the heals are ridiculous. I can only imagine I’d make them an Argonians. Sheesh.

I forgot how OP Nightblades are in use, as I only use them when I get triggered. Crazy defenses from evasion and all that jazz with shields and standard class defense buffs. Crazy heals (burst and over time). Crazy damage. Has access to mobility (class-based). Has access to an execute (class-based). Can engage and disengage targets at will through cloak. Has access to pets like a Sorc. Has the best burst damage in the game, with the most cheesy ult in the game too? Why the hell do I still have a MagDK for? Smfh. And devs meanwhile still buffing NB’s back after back? LOL!

Ironic. They can save others from death, but not themselves

Ch4mpTW

By the way, here is my gear setup on my MagBlade currently (spec’d for PvE by the way): 5pcs. Julianos, 4pcs. IA, 2pcs. Llambris (although I sometimes use Nerienth or however you spell it), and 1pcs. Maelstrom’s Lightning Staff. Currently using The Lover mundus (I solo primarily), to go with it, although I’m contemplating running The Apprentice mundus. Weapons are gold, jewelry is gold, and body pieces are purple.

Using that setup as a DD, my healing is pretty obnoxious. My MagPlar can’t really compare, to be honest. Or my MagDen. I feel much more squishy on my MagPlar, and feel like I can’t heal as strong over time as my MagBlade. The only thing that I can do healing-wise on my MagPlar over my MagBlade is burst heal (thanks to BoL / Honor the Dead). Outside of that, I find the MagBlade tops self-heals easily. Puncturing Sweeps seems to be less effective than Swallow Soul.

DocFrost72

Siphoning attacks non crit:2.4k
Funnel health non crit heal: 2.5k

You got magicka vigor, but while doing damage and while sustaining resources

Ch4mpTW

DocFrost72 wrote: »

Siphoning attacks non crit:2.4k
Funnel health non crit heal: 2.5k

You got magicka vigor, but while doing damage and while sustaining resources

And it’s a spammable. Lmao.

Samadhi

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

... If my HP hits to say 10%, I can somehow manage to instantly go back to full with little to no sustain issues at all. ...

Instantly back to full as a burst heal
or instantly back to full as HoTs ticking on a small maximum Health bar?

Bruh, go roll a Nightblade. And compare your heals to any other class you have. Lol. More so a MagBlade. Do that and see the difference for yourself.
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Sister, already have both a Stamblade and Magblade,
specifically my Magblade has been set up for heals since pre-thieves guild -- was my first full healer character
and prior to making that character my (Bosmer) Stamblade was a Magblade because the capacity to stay alive was so much better (going back to pre-vigor)

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

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I have a magicka variant of every class, and I can heal and sustain my resources the most on my MagBlade. Not my MagPlar. Not my MagDen. Not my MagSorc. And definitely my MagDK. My MagBlade. And if I can’t outheal the damage I’m taking passively, I can just shield up or start cloaking to disengage. Lol. The cheese is intense.

Same here
1 Magblade (Breton), 1 Mag Sorc (Breton), 2 Mag DK (Dunmer and Breton), 2 mag Templar (Altmer and magtank Khajiit), 1 Mag Warden (Breton)

Magblade is superb in low pressure environments
but everything making the sustain great (class skills for sustain + ridiculously low Funnel Health cost) is really self-oriented in the Class
making healing others, particularly via burst, more dependent on Healing Ward and Combat Prayer
now, if there were a way for me to cast Cloak on other people without it being ultimate-locked
then the appeal of healing others would be more interesting

KeiruNicrom

Shuuuuush. Stahp. Everyone knows NB weakest class ok? Nerf sorc buff NB. This is the way. This will always be the way. This never change. NB needs moar buffs

Kalante

all magicka classes are easy mode even mag dk.

agingerinohio

I have been healing with my magblade in dungeons wearing SPC and Worm. (My main healer is Templar) I too have noticed my healing capabilities are wicked strong but so is my dps (which helps with groups that have low dps). It's definitely a fun playstyle and has been quite an adventure.

Mettaricana

red_emu wrote: »

Sooooooooo... nerf sorc then?

Noooo buff stam sorc to make normal mag sorc less appealing by comparison

Ch4mpTW

Kalante wrote: »

all magicka classes are easy mode even mag dk.

We must be playing 2 totally different classes then. Nothin about MagDK is easy. Not even chaining in VMoL. The sustain is absolutely atrocious. They hardly excel in large-scale PvP, and only somewhat shine in duels (although overshadowed by much better options). Their DPS is mediocre compared to other classes, and they take up a stamina slot (due to them being within melee range and all that).

Unless if the group you’re with requires a chainer, you’re much better off running something else than a MagDK. It’s that bad. Honestly. Not even the buff provided by Engulfing Flames is good enough to make MagDK’s more appealing for group content. And that’s the cold hard truth.

Meanwhile, a NB on the other hand... Now THAT is truly easy mode. With tons upon tons of options and buffs at your disposal. For both magicka and stamina variations of play. DK’s wish they had a quarter of the utility and sustain that NB’s have.

kaiage

KeiruNicrom wrote: »

NB needs moar buffs

buff nb moar

SirAndy

Try a Stamblade without vigor and come back to me and tell me how great the healing is then ...

THWIP71

Congrats! Boy or girl?

Publius_Scipio

I wouldn’t call NBs healers on par with templars or wardens. But they do have a nice heal as an ult and of course healing will more often than not be better on a magicka NB in comparison to stam.

Probably whip together a nice cheesy NB build with heavy armor and troll king.

Iccotak

So what sets do you guys use to max out healing of Nightblades then?

Publius_Scipio

Iccotak wrote: »

So what sets do you guys use to max out healing of Nightblades then?

I don’t know full specifics but I know some NBs in PvP were running troll king monster set.

Milvan

For a moment I thought you were about to quit the game again

Runefang

Best dungeon healers in the game, bar none.

I have a Templar and Nightblade healer myself.

Templar is easy mode healing, Breath of Life is just far too powerful. You can be a really bad healer with a Templar and still keep your group alive.

Nightblades on the other hand are full on. You have to maintain all your hots, buffs and debuffs in order to keep your group alive. The upside is while doing that you're producing a lot more damage than Templar ever could. Personally I wear 2x Troll King, 5x SPC, 3x IA and AS Destro/Resto.

It's a joy to run vEH2 where Bodgan's Pulverize decimates your group's health and without laying down a single additonal heal your team is at full health in less than 3 seconds. No Healing Ward or BoL panic button required.

Ch4mpTW

Runefang wrote: »

Best dungeon healers in the game, bar none.

I have a Templar and Nightblade healer myself.

Templar is easy mode healing, Breath of Life is just far too powerful. You can be a really bad healer with a Templar and still keep your group alive.

Nightblades on the other hand are full on. You have to maintain all your hots, buffs and debuffs in order to keep your group alive. The upside is while doing that you're producing a lot more damage than Templar ever could. Personally I wear 2x Troll King, 5x SPC, 3x IA and AS Destro/Resto.

It's a joy to run vEH2 where Bodgan's Pulverize decimates your group's health and without laying down a single additonal heal your team is at full health in less than 3 seconds. No Healing Ward or BoL panic button required.

Interesting... A healer who runs Troll King. As well as within a PvE environment. How extraordinary... I am beginning to wonder now if it is possible to heal trials with such a setup. Granted of course that I know little to nothing about healing, or the given basics of rotation(s) that healers utilize. But, my interest has definitely been captured.