Sotha Sil is the most tolerable of the three, but he’s still an ***.

ThePrinceOfBargains

Leaving half of your residents to writhe and suffer in the slums is bad enough, but what makes him an *** is that the people aren’t even allowed to leave! What is this, North Korea? He’s the Kim Jong-un of Elder Scrolls. Poor guy from Morrowind got there on accident and they won’t even let him go home. It’s like all the Apostles are deluded into this “everything happens for a reason” trope to the point of trapping people who don’t want to be there. They’re running a prison, enforcing the chains of destiny. That’s what it should be called: The Clockwork Prison.

As a personality, Sil is the best of the three. But I’d rather deal with the two pompous ones than be stuck in the Clockwork City with Sotha Sil. Hopefully when he dies, the prison dies with him. We should’ve let Clavicus Vile take the city. If he would’ve made it look anything like his own realm, then it’s what’s best for the people.

ArchMikem

It's a cold day in Hell when I'm agreeing with someone who firmly supports the enslavement of my Character's people.

ThePrinceOfBargains

ArchMikem wrote: »

It's a cold day in Hell when I'm agreeing with someone who firmly supports the enslavement of my Character's people.

Lmao, to be fair, I’m equally disgusted with all the beast races. At least the female ones. Permanently traumatized by the furry fandom.

kaiage

Reminds me of a girl I was playing with. I asked her, "why are we saving these angels? They seem like a bunch of *** to me." She replied, "because they're angels."

D'aaah

Aliyavana

Atleast cwc is a beautiful prison (tho I guess that's up to the visitor) but agreed. I don't know why sotha sil doesn't atleast release all the prosthetics and technology to the dunmer and keeps it to himself

Banana

TheMaster wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

It's a cold day in Hell when I'm agreeing with someone who firmly supports the enslavement of my Character's people.

Lmao, to be fair, I’m equally disgusted with all the beast races. At least the female ones. Permanently traumatized by the furry fandom.

Yep

kaiage

Conspiracies could be started in the mortal realm with the following.

Just relax, it's being handled, and discussed, fervently.

ArchMikem

TheMaster wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

It's a cold day in Hell when I'm agreeing with someone who firmly supports the enslavement of my Character's people.

Lmao, to be fair, I’m equally disgusted with all the beast races. At least the female ones. Permanently traumatized by the furry fandom.

Lemme guess, you watched Furry Force on Youtube?

Mettaricana

ArchMikem wrote: »

TheMaster wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

It's a cold day in Hell when I'm agreeing with someone who firmly supports the enslavement of my Character's people.

Lmao, to be fair, I’m equally disgusted with all the beast races. At least the female ones. Permanently traumatized by the furry fandom.

Lemme guess, you watched Furry Force on Youtube?

I watched laughed so hard it hurt and the villain had my reactions exactly

LadyNalcarya

I agree.
Vivec is the worst of all three, though. His people live in a constant danger just because he wants to show off... I mean, keeping that meteor isnt the smartest thing ever.

rhapsodious

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

I agree.
Vivec is the worst of all three, though. His people live in a constant danger just because he wants to show off... I mean, keeping that meteor isnt the smartest thing ever.

Also he quotes himself. Who does that. Poster child for being enlightened by his own intelligence.

Tallboy isn't perfect, but I think his issue is he takes the principle of non-interference in experiments to a logical extreme. Which is great and all if you're not dealing with... people...

I'm a little confused why people can't just leave, though it's possible I missed it. Like, I know it's established that you can't decide you're done and leave, except for the Vestige who is Speshul. But Raynor mentions that Fyr offered to poof him, Kireth and Neramo out whenever they were done, and they don't show up after a certain point, so I assume he did just that. I guess it just requires a buttload of magical acuity, so to the denizens of the city that orb to lead back to Deshaan is just a fancy orb.

Cinbri

What did you expected from someone who inspired others to betray and kill their king.

Storymaster

I love Sotha Sil.

Takes-No-Prisoner

I really enjoyed his perspective/opinions on Almalexia and Vivec. He flat out calls Almalexia a cunning liar, lol! I can see from my own perspective why hes so secluded, but the way he interacts with his people and thus how his people interact and/or see him, for me, is no different from how a Worm Cultist or any other heretic envisions their own god.

Seht's a cool dude, mysterious and was willing to tell us about his vices. But after seeing all the experimentation done using nirn mortals/animals, and his followers. He's...someone I would be keeping at arms length. His insight and absolute certainty does make him a dangerous fellow to all involved with him.

rhapsodious wrote: »

I'm a little confused why people can't just leave, though it's possible I missed it. Like, I know it's established that you can't decide you're done and leave, except for the Vestige who is Speshul. But Raynor mentions that Fyr offered to poof him, Kireth and Neramo out whenever they were done, and they don't show up after a certain point, so I assume he did just that. I guess it just requires a buttload of magical acuity, so to the denizens of the city that orb to lead back to Deshaan is just a fancy orb.

It could also be one of those Matrix scenarios to common mortals. They took the red pill, they are now shown a different side of the coin. But their old way of life will never return to them after they've committed to taking the pill.

Anacario

People aren’t supposed to leave Clockwork because it’s not supposed to be leavable. The ultimate goal of the city is to replace Nirn entirely. Anuvanna’si. A new, perfected world without the “gaps” that Nirn has.

No daedra constantly barging in stealing everyone’s souls. No trickster gods sunderlng the souls of divine spirits. No time-warping robot demi-gods erasing a culture in an instant.

If you built a world to keep the mortals of Nirn free from danger and suffering, you’d want them to stay too, right?

EvilCroc

Dagoth Ur was wrong, they say. Ashlanders are heretics, they say. Tribunes are good, they say.
You know? All of that is ***.

Takes-No-Prisoner

EvilCroc wrote: »

Dagoth Ur was wrong, they say. Ashlanders are heretics, they say. Tribunes are good, they say.
You know? All of that is ***.

After my adventuring through Morrowind and talking to the Ashlander locals, they seem like any other type of normal folk to me. They just have different beliefs then those who are more progressive like the Dunmer worshiping the 3.

Though I can't help but wonder if Vivec, Almalexia, and Sotha Sil didn't take the power from Lorkhan's heart in Red Mountain, would the Dunmer still be the hunter and gatherers the Ashlander's are today?

Anacario wrote: »

People aren’t supposed to leave Clockwork because it’s not supposed to be leavable. The ultimate goal of the city is to replace Nirn entirely. Anuvanna’si. A new, perfected world without the “gaps” that Nirn has.

No daedra constantly barging in stealing everyone’s souls. No trickster gods sunderlng the souls of divine spirits. No time-warping robot demi-gods erasing a culture in an instant.

If you built a world to keep the mortals of Nirn free from danger and suffering, you’d want them to stay too, right?

I love this. The goal of CWC is a noble one, built on good intentions. The reality? Anything but. If some of Elder Scrolls Legends new card packs on CWC, have any play on the future of CWC, it looks to have become hell on earth.

Anacario

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

EvilCroc wrote: »

Dagoth Ur was wrong, they say. Ashlanders are heretics, they say. Tribunes are good, they say.
You know? All of that is ***.

After my adventuring through Morrowind and talking to the Ashlander locals, they seem like any other type of normal folk to me. They just have different beliefs then those who are more progressive like the Dunmer worshiping the 3.

Though I can't help but wonder if Vivec, Almalexia, and Sotha Sil didn't take the power from Lorkhan's heart in Red Mountain, would the Dunmer still be the hunter and gatherers the Ashlander's are today?

Doubtful, they only detached themselves from the "House Elves" because they were "House Elves". They still worship the three good daedra. If Morrowind were still inhabitable in the fourth era, with the return of the Reclamations,I'm sure dunmer society would eventually be integrated into one whole again, with all of the former ashlanders being very I-Told-You-So about it.

WhiteCoatSyndrome

Re: not being able to leave, I had gotten the impression it wasn't forbidden so much as it required a combination of power, skill and desire to do so. Divayth has all three and was willing to share the first two with some of the other helper NPCs, so he comes and goes as he pleases. But most/all of the Clockwork Apostles probably don't want to leave even if they have the power and skill because they're in their god's sacred city and they have homes and political power there. Meanwhile most of the people in Slag Town probably would be willing to leave if they'd had the chance but don't have the magical power and/or skill to open a portal to someplace else.

@Anacario You'll be pleased to know they did that anyway. It's mentioned in The Reclamations: The Fall of the Tribunal and the Rise of the New Temple.

Witar

Sotha just don't care nor about his aposles nor about other residents. You can kind of guess that from his dialog about proctor Luciana death or cure choise. All are gonna die sooner or later so whatever he says.

Storymaster

TheMaster wrote: »

Leaving half of your residents to writhe and suffer in the slums is bad enough, but what makes him an *** is that the people aren’t even allowed to leave! What is this, North Korea? He’s the Kim Jong-un of Elder Scrolls. Poor guy from Morrowind got there on accident and they won’t even let him go home. It’s like all the Apostles are deluded into this “everything happens for a reason” trope to the point of trapping people who don’t want to be there. They’re running a prison, enforcing the chains of destiny. That’s what it should be called: The Clockwork Prison.

As a personality, Sil is the best of the three. But I’d rather deal with the two pompous ones than be stuck in the Clockwork City with Sotha Sil. Hopefully when he dies, the prison dies with him. We should’ve let Clavicus Vile take the city. If he would’ve made it look anything like his own realm, then it’s what’s best for the people.

dodgehopper_ESO

I do find it odd that Sotha Sil has people in his little petri dish yet at the same time recognizes he is not a god but perhaps some kind of demi-god. Vivec was once what I felt the most agreeable of the 3, but now it is Sil, and I agree I like him less. All of that being said I find the daedric religion of serving Boethiah, Mephala, and Azura deeply disturbing and I think the Nords & Khajiit were right to want to burn them to the ground in ancient days (Just as the Nedes were right to assail the Direnni and the Chimer).