Unfathomable Darkness 5pc Scaling

kessik221

So I was looking at the damage on the 5pc on my stam sorc, I switched to my dw bar which has 3000 weapon damage and the number was lower than when i had just a 2handed sword on, which netted me only 2700 weapon damage. The only difference between bars was the weapon damage. Stamina, health, magicka, crit damage all stayed the same. When I go to my dw bar which has higher weapon damage the tooltip read 5086 when i switched to two handed, which is lower the tool tip read 5126, is this a bug or working as intended? It seems silly that the set damage would scale up as you became weaker.

WrathOfInnos

Strange, I wouldn't expect it to be affected by any of those stats. AFAIK proc set damage is only affected by things that have a "damage done" % increase, like berserk, slayer, warden animal passives, and CP's.

Mickydanz

was the 2hander nirn ?

kessik221

ikr? seemed very strange, when i get back online i will have to see if its just with those specific items or if the same thing happens vs lower leveled items of the same type

kessik221

no, both weapons sets were sharpened, like i said everything was the same except the weapon damage value on my character sheet. There were no funky sets that would of played in either, just unfathom, agility jewelry, velidreths and shackle breaker dw swords sharp and a rando sharp 2h

SodanTok

You probably had just 1 or none swords on your DW bar, while your 2H was sword?
2H sword = 5% damage increase
1H sword = 2.5%

Another thing would be different abilities on your DW bar vs 2H bar.

WrathOfInnos

@SodanTok That is a good theory, but the numbers in the post don't add up. There is only a 0.8% increase from 5086 to 5126, not a 2.5% increase. Even with additive bonuses from CP and other buffs, I don't see the 2.5% from one sword becoming less than about 1.6% effective damage increase on the tooltip value.

For skills slotted, I cannot think of any sorc skills that would affect a proc set tooltip. Warden skills slotted would, but he said stam sorc. Sorcs do get 5% bonus to physical damage, which should affect this set, but should be the same in either bar. Correct me if I'm wrong here, but something still seems off.

SodanTok

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

@SodanTok That is a good theory, but the numbers in the post don't add up. There is only a 0.8% increase from 5086 to 5126, not a 2.5% increase. Even with additive bonuses from CP and other buffs, I don't see the 2.5% from one sword becoming less than about 1.6% effective damage increase on the tooltip value.

For skills slotted, I cannot think of any sorc skills that would affect a proc set tooltip. Warden skills slotted would, but he said stam sorc. Sorcs do get 5% bonus to physical damage, which should affect this set, but should be the same in either bar. Correct me if I'm wrong here, but something still seems off.

Hm, you are correct, it would not fall that low (to below 1% increase). The most common source of such small change would be difference of gear color, but I assume OP is not using set weapons in this case.

In any case, the only thing that changes damage of proc sets like these is quality of the pieces, CP and overall damage increases (like passive for sword, minor berserk or warden animal companion passive). If none of these is the reason for these changes, then it is probably just tooltip bug and the damage against enemies should be same (if penetration is same on both bars)

kessik221

ok so some further research into this curious quandry; i took off all pieces except unfathom and then equipped just the agility set, significantly increasing my damage and stamina, no change to the tooltip. took off the agility and equipped weapons. 2 dw swords and 1 2h sword on the 2h bar. Now i'm using a rando purple 2h sword, sharpened. I'm using shacklebreaker 2pc on my dw bar purple, putting my dw bar weapon damage higher than my 2h bar. On my 2h bar, the tooltip for unfathom is higher than my dw bar, even though the overall weapon damage for that bar is lower. So my question is now, how does unfathomable darkness scale? it's obviously not from the weapon damage stat, and not from the stamina stat. My health stays the same so thats not it. My magicka stays the same thats not it. The weapon skill line modifier is the same for both bars, so thats not it. Either theres a bug with this set thats preventing it from scaling properly or a specific bug linked between dw and 2h.

kessik221

also, can anyone recreate this scenario with the same results?

WrathOfInnos

Do you have 2 points in Twin Blade and Blunt (DW passive) and in Heavy Weapons (2H passive)?

Also are the weapons part of the set?

SodanTok

kessik221 wrote: »

ok so some further research into this curious quandry; i took off all pieces except unfathom and then equipped just the agility set, significantly increasing my damage and stamina, no change to the tooltip. took off the agility and equipped weapons. 2 dw swords and 1 2h sword on the 2h bar. Now i'm using a rando purple 2h sword, sharpened. I'm using shacklebreaker 2pc on my dw bar purple, putting my dw bar weapon damage higher than my 2h bar. On my 2h bar, the tooltip for unfathom is higher than my dw bar, even though the overall weapon damage for that bar is lower. So my question is now, how does unfathomable darkness scale? it's obviously not from the weapon damage stat, and not from the stamina stat. My health stays the same so thats not it. My magicka stays the same thats not it. The weapon skill line modifier is the same for both bars, so thats not it. Either theres a bug with this set thats preventing it from scaling properly or a specific bug linked between dw and 2h.

Just to point out, the possible bug is in the fact the tooltip changes at all. Damage sets like this do not scale with anything other % modifiers to damage.

Basically, check if you have 2 points in twin blade and blunt passive (DW skill line) and 2 points in heavy weapons (2H weapon line). Then check if all your Unfathomable Darkness items are same color. Then remove all skills from your bar. At this point the damage on DW should be same as on 2H. If it is still not, try attacking some enemies and find out real damage you deal (will be prone to many errors probably)

I noticed that damage difference between having 1sword/1something else with 2 points in twin blade and blunt and having 2H sword with 1 point in the passive is same as you have in the first post.

kessik221

hmmm nope both are swords equipped, all gear is the same color and weapons are not part of the set (wearing 5 body pieces) however, not all the body pieces are the same color, but that shouldn't change just because of a bar swap. All skill points are allocated in both branches. i've tried using different swords and there is a damage difference, but the difference between bars is the same, roughly 40 damage. The only thing I can think of is that the base damage for 2handed items is higher than the base damage for the mainhand dw weapon. (purple swords 1h are roughly 1100 2h swords purple are 1300)

SodanTok

kessik221 wrote: »

hmmm nope both are swords equipped, all gear is the same color and weapons are not part of the set (wearing 5 body pieces) however, not all the body pieces are the same color, but that shouldn't change just because of a bar swap. All skill points are allocated in both branches. i've tried using different swords and there is a damage difference, but the difference between bars is the same, roughly 40 damage. The only thing I can think of is that the base damage for 2handed items is higher than the base damage for the mainhand dw weapon. (purple swords 1h are roughly 1100 2h swords purple are 1300)

As I said, damage does not matter. Its just 40, could be text bug. Nothing increases it but CP, some of your skills and passives and quality of the gear. I tried to reproduce it, but couldnt. For the sake of sanity just ignore it