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Silver Leash Is Useless
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This post is not only an alert of a disfunction, but also a request for betterment. Silver Leash is a morph of the ability Silver Shards, which has the added bonus to lasso the enemy in with a second activation, which I think is a cool feature. The second activation only works on Deadra and undead (werewolves too if you have the passive) which is a shame.
Let me introduce the issue. To be able to perform the second activation, the Silver Leash skill must knock down the enemy, also meaning that the enemy is a Deadra, undead or werewolf. If the enemy has cc-immunity or blocks during the first activation, it will not allow for a second activation. When you knock an enemy down, they will obtain cc-immunity, which means the pull will not work and you will simply deal the damage of the second activation. The second activation disappears before the cc-immunity of the enemy is lost, which means it is impossible to ever pull an enemy with this skill.
A possible solution would be to replace the knockdown with a root or immobilization, as you would then be able to pull the enemy to you. It would also be more of a useful skill if you could pull an enemy even though the enemy blocked or was cc-immune during the first activation.
Edited by SanderBuraas on June 2, 2018 10:10AM Let me introduce the issue. To be able to perform the second activation, the Silver Leash skill must knock down the enemy, also meaning that the enemy is a Deadra, undead or werewolf. If the enemy has cc-immunity or blocks during the first activation, it will not allow for a second activation. When you knock an enemy down, they will obtain cc-immunity, which means the pull will not work and you will simply deal the damage of the second activation. The second activation disappears before the cc-immunity of the enemy is lost, which means it is impossible to ever pull an enemy with this skill.
A possible solution would be to replace the knockdown with a root or immobilization, as you would then be able to pull the enemy to you. It would also be more of a useful skill if you could pull an enemy even though the enemy blocked or was cc-immune during the first activation.
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SanderBuraas✭✭✭✭✭Posted in the wrong section, this probably belongs in 'Combat & Character Mechanics'.0
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cozmon3c_ESO✭✭✭✭✭i have been toying around with this and never have pulled anyone to me ever, in pve anyway. wanted to level it to full before i tried in pvp.Guild UMBRA Chapter Lead
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AlcastClass RepresentativeYes the knockdown you get from the first shot gives CC Immunity and makes the 2nd shot with the pull U S E L E S S.
That skill was designed BEFORE ZOS applied CC immunity on almost EVERY skill, even Biting Jabs with its knockback gives CC immunity, ridonculus
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✭Yep have to agree, it is pretty much useless, this one could stand a rework dev's..
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SanderBuraas✭✭✭✭✭kevlarto_ESO wrote: »Yep have to agree, it is pretty much useless, this one could stand a rework dev's..
Hopefully it is reworked as soon as possible, would be a pretty easy fix if what I suggested is applied.0 -
ZOS_GinaBrunoCommunity ManagerThanks for your feedback, everyone. You've made good points. We'll take a look at what can be done for Silver Leash in the future to make the second activation more useful.13 -
cozmon3c_ESO✭✭✭✭✭I hope the next ESO live is just Q and A with Eric Wrobel and what's being fixed/changed for the entire hour.Guild UMBRA Chapter Lead
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Komma✭✭✭✭✭This would be the perfect skill to give every class a chains ability. Wouldnt be as effective as the DK skill except on undead/daedra/ww's but something for crowd control when a Dk isnt in the group. Take away the restriction of undead/ww on the second activation. Also could be a stamina alternative to chains.Kohma Kozzy-cr160-Stamblade
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Takllin✭✭✭✭✭cozmon3c_ESO wrote: »I hope the next ESO live is just Q and A with Eric Wrobel and what's being fixed/changed for the entire hour.
Or do a write up like Brian just did for PvP the Monday or Tuesday before would be nice. That way we can read through and give detailed feedback and ask good questions.Jadokis - AD Redguard DK v16 AR 18
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SturgeHammer✭✭✭✭I've not seen this ability used too much but a friend of mine was pulled off a resouce tower by someone using this just a few days ago, so there must be a corner case where the pull works. I agree that the root/immobilize would be the way to go but I am not a fan of abilities that essentially cc the enemy twice (root + displacement in this case) because they are so much harder to escape if there is the slightest hint of lag.First-in-Line - Swings-for-Lethal
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✭✭✭I'd like to see it work again, and also be able to (along with DK's chains) pull people down from keep/resource walls if the objective is flagged/burst on the map as in combat like they used to. I'd like to also see the same be done with Teleport Strike and its morphs, which also used to work against people on walls (or below), with the same conditions
. Then buff up wall/door health a good chunk, and we might see some defense and offensive play going instead of just defenders holing up until the enemy is on the inner and attackers shooting siege with little resistance until the outer's down, again... 
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✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Thanks for your feedback, everyone. You've made good points. We'll take a look at what can be done for Silver Leash in the future to make the second activation more useful.
when you are at it can you look into expert hunter and all morphs beeing impossible to proc on a blocking target aswell?spelling and grammar errors are free to be abused
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jhharvest✭✭✭I'm necro-bumping this thread.
I have one suggestion to Silver Leash to make it viable for PVP:
-instead of allowing you to activate again to pull you to the target, it should pull you to the target instantly if you're within the range
Currently doesn't really work as gap closer in PVP as it's just too slow to cast the skill twice.0 -
Arobain✭✭✭✭I'm necro-bumping this thread.
I have one suggestion to Silver Leash to make it viable for PVP:
-instead of allowing you to activate again to pull you to the target, it should pull you to the target instantly if you're within the range
Currently doesn't really work as gap closer in PVP as it's just too slow to cast the skill twice.
i have it on a vampire hunter build i use in cyrodiil, and it really isnt that bad, it just requires some time to get used to, i dont want it changed, because right now, if you want to just shoot them, but not pull to em, or if you want to shoot someone, shoot another guy, and then pull to the first guy, you can do that, with your change, it removes all the possibilities and just makes the ability another simple gap closer0 -
Thraben✭✭✭✭✭It doesn´t apply a gap closer root like every other charge skill, that´s the true missing thing here.Hauptmann der Dolche des Königs
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✭✭✭✭This would be the perfect skill to give every class a chains ability. Wouldnt be as effective as the DK skill except on undead/daedra/ww's but something for crowd control when a Dk isnt in the group. Take away the restriction of undead/ww on the second activation. Also could be a stamina alternative to chains.
Wow, good thought.
I tend to think anything that adds diversity is good (and I've been having a LOT of trouble making my stam builds as fun/useful as my mag builds).
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✭✭✭I will never understand why they made it so it pulls YOU to the enemy, we have enough gap closers, we need more abilities that pull enemies to us so we can single out targets in zerg balls and squish them. Also, the knock down for daedra, undead and werewolves shouldve stayed.0 -
rimmidimdim✭✭✭Couldn't you use the second leash attack after cc immunity? Does it not last that long? In pve that is useless, but in PvP, it could be a free wtf just happened moment for opponents.0 -
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Lord_Etrigan✭✭✭✭Hi,
Reading the comments just gave me a mental picture of a sorc slotting silver, frag and dawn of smiting.
Since peeps like to dodge frags you wait for frag to proc, activate silver be pulled to enemy and shove a frag down their throat, finish with dawn and wrath.
Suppose you could substitute streak for silver but would love to see the shocked look on enemies face after that combo.LOL
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✭✭Leash is not a bad skill for a stam char who don't want to run 2H or S/B. I've been trying it for levelling some chars and has some great uses (like cancel dodge rolling). The fact that the pull can be used even after using other skills can be a surprise for an enemy.
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✭✭✭✭✭rimmidimdim wrote: »
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GrigorijMalahevich✭✭✭✭✭Shhhhh... nobody cares about Silver Leash! ZoS have priorities like buffing crystal blast!PC/EU 800 CP.
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✭Valera Progib wrote: »Shhhhh... nobody cares about Silver Leash! ZoS have priorities like buffing crystal blast!
You mean another nerf to cfrags?
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rimmidimdim✭✭✭rimmidimdim wrote: »
Exploiting a bug to oneshot others were definitely not good days.
I was being sarcastic in response to the post of fighters guild abilities should have never been changed.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭rimmidimdim wrote: »
Exploiting a bug to oneshot others were definitely not good days.
Then fix the skill not change the whole line lol0
