Finding it hard

Elfhunter194

I'm really finding it hard with my magicka sorc. Before attacking I heal up switch to front bar to deal damage but healing only lasts for about 6 seconds so by the time I've dealt damage I don't really have enough magicka to even heal up. This is the same with healing up, sometimes I make sure I'm always healed and never have really enough magicka to attack properly.

Another problem is I really find it difficult switching between bars while attacking, it frustrates me lol

I've gotten to the point where I want to create a new character but at the same time I don't want to go through the 1-50 levelling up.

badmojo

Shields shields and more shields. CC too.

pelle412

Practice your rotation on a target dummy until you’re comfortable with it. Include heavy attacks for sustain.

VaranisArano

I also found mag sorcs to be squishy. Here's what worked for me:
Heals from the Twilight Matriarch
Damage shields from Sorc Skills - this may not be available as you level, so boundless storm will give you some nice resistances that will help with the squishiness, plus an aoe against close enemies.

I use a pet build, so I'm able to set my pets on the attackers, lay down wall of elements and liquid lightning, and shield up while my AOEs and pets wreck the mobs, while I heavy attack (or do whatever DPS rotation you want). The damage shield keeps me from dying, long enough to let me use the Twilight Matriarch heal.

Bar swaps can be a pain, for sure. If you want, you can do a very simplified rotation on only one bar. I'd probably go with a lightning staff for the splash damage on mobs, then Wall of Elements, Liquid Lightning, Volatile Familiar (or clannfear is you want a tank), Twilight Matriarch for heals, and a Conjured Ward for a damage shield (or Boundless Storm is you don't have that yet)
for a non-pet one-bar build, I'd go with:
Power Surge (It has a heal that procs from critical damage), Conjured Ward/Boundless Storm, Wall of Elements, Liquid Lightning, and either Force Pulse or Crystal Fragments

In general, if you feel you are lacking in magicka regen or magicka, you can address it in a couple of ways:

• Level up. Oh, I'm so helpful, right? Yeah, leveling up and especially getting CP will help enormously with your sustain, I promise. I'm sorry this is no help to you right now, but it does get better.
• Heavy attack more often. Completed heavy attacks give you back magicka. This isn't easy to do when you already feel squishy, so try to set your damage dealing spells like AOEs or pets on the mob so you can heavy attack them for more resources back.
• Invest in light armor passive and enchantments. Jewelry can have magicka regen enchantments. I main a MagDK tank and switched armor that didn't have those enchantments and suddenly I was running dry after every fight. I switched out my jewelry enchantments to get about 400 more magicka regen points and my rotation got a lot easier to sustain.
• Gear sets - gear sets are sort of bad advice until you hit CP 160, but if you want to craft training armor, see if someone (maybe a guildie?) will craft you 5 pieces of a set. Seducers is good for reducing magicka costs, while Julianos is good for increasing your damage.

Hope this helps! Good luck with those frustrating mag sorcs!

Chronicburn

Go with 5 seducers and 3 Magnus ... load it up with + Magika enchants and a plus damage. Make sure you are always up with level appropriate +magika +health food and pick up that +magika mundus. I also wear a heavy chest piece.

I was struggling to level before I did all that now solo pve content is almost too easy

Nestor

Elfhunter194 wrote: »

I'm really finding it hard with my magicka sorc. Before attacking I heal up switch to....

Not sure how your healing. But, I use Power Surge for my heals (and it increases damage and or spell power by 20% so double bonus). Anyway, Surge lasts 30 seconds plus, so as long as your doing damage and keeping your DoTs up, you will never need healing. Unless of course your playing like a Tank. Then pop a shield like Boundless Storm if you don't want to spam Hardened Ward every 6 seconds

See the following for a guide to a Mundane Sorcerer who is not afraid of anything in the game:

In any event, here is my MagSorc set up, all easily obtainable gear too, but you can use Zone Set Drops that help Casters:

5 Piece Julianos
2 Piece Torugs Pack
3 Piece Will Power
All Attributes in Magica, All Armor Glyphs in Magica, 2 Spell Cost Reduction Glyphs and one Spell Power Glyph on Jewelry.

Single Target Bar:
1. Inner Light
2. Power Surge
3. Crystal Frags
4. Crushing Shock
5. Flex, but is usually Boundless Storm or Liquid Lightening or some other skill I want to horse around with

AoE (Multiple Mobs)
1. Inner Light (yes, you need this on both bars)
2. Power Surge (you don't need this on both bars, I just hate bar swapping so its on both)
3. Unstable Wall of Elements
4. Impulse
5. Liquid Lightening usually or a Crowd Control Skill like Encase

I pull 42K Burst and 25K sustained DPS on my single target bar and it depends on how many mobs there are around but 50K to 60K on my AoE Bar. I could do more DPS, as I have gotten to 60K sustained, but it involves Bar Swapping and I have already explained how I feel about that. I do enough DPS to run the content I run, including Vet Dungeons.

I do nothing fancy, I am not all that good at Animation Canceling and none of my gear is "Best in Slot" or "Meta"

s7732425ub17_ESO

Once you get Power Surge, you won't need any other healing ability, and the game will become easy mode.

Elfhunter194

VaranisArano wrote: »

I also found mag sorcs to be squishy. Here's what worked for me:
Heals from the Twilight Matriarch
Damage shields from Sorc Skills - this may not be available as you level, so boundless storm will give you some nice resistances that will help with the squishiness, plus an aoe against close enemies.

I use a pet build, so I'm able to set my pets on the attackers, lay down wall of elements and liquid lightning, and shield up while my AOEs and pets wreck the mobs, while I heavy attack (or do whatever DPS rotation you want). The damage shield keeps me from dying, long enough to let me use the Twilight Matriarch heal.

Bar swaps can be a pain, for sure. If you want, you can do a very simplified rotation on only one bar. I'd probably go with a lightning staff for the splash damage on mobs, then Wall of Elements, Liquid Lightning, Volatile Familiar (or clannfear is you want a tank), Twilight Matriarch for heals, and a Conjured Ward for a damage shield (or Boundless Storm is you don't have that yet)
for a non-pet one-bar build, I'd go with:
Power Surge (It has a heal that procs from critical damage), Conjured Ward/Boundless Storm, Wall of Elements, Liquid Lightning, and either Force Pulse or Crystal Fragments

In general, if you feel you are lacking in magicka regen or magicka, you can address it in a couple of ways:

• Level up. Oh, I'm so helpful, right? Yeah, leveling up and especially getting CP will help enormously with your sustain, I promise. I'm sorry this is no help to you right now, but it does get better.
• Heavy attack more often. Completed heavy attacks give you back magicka. This isn't easy to do when you already feel squishy, so try to set your damage dealing spells like AOEs or pets on the mob so you can heavy attack them for more resources back.
• Invest in light armor passive and enchantments. Jewelry can have magicka regen enchantments. I main a MagDK tank and switched armor that didn't have those enchantments and suddenly I was running dry after every fight. I switched out my jewelry enchantments to get about 400 more magicka regen points and my rotation got a lot easier to sustain.
• Gear sets - gear sets are sort of bad advice until you hit CP 160, but if you want to craft training armor, see if someone (maybe a guildie?) will craft you 5 pieces of a set. Seducers is good for reducing magicka costs, while Julianos is good for increasing your damage.

Hope this helps! Good luck with those frustrating mag sorcs!

Thanks for the help man! I'm currently 163CP so I'll try that out. I think the hard thing is finding what works for me, very frustrating.

Again thank you for the tips!

Loc2262

What specifically are we talking about? Solo / overland content? Dungeons as a damage dealer?

badmojo

What I do...

Sets =
Spinners
Lich
Ilambris

Mundas is atronach (mag regen)

No pets, never pets.

Spinner is only 5of5 on front bar and same with lich on backbar.

Key sorc class abilities would be lighting form, shattering prison, curse, streak mages fury and crystal shard.

I use destro/destro. But resto works good too. For destro abilities crushing shock is king. If more AOE is needed I swap in shock clench. I love crushing shock because it interrupts casting enemies and also because it does damage of all elemental types in one attack. Since Ilambris procs AOE from fire or shock you can potentially cast 1 crushing shock and have it proc twice, great for saving resources while dealing damage.

Before attacking a group of enemies I will switch to back bar, cast lightning form and hit the centermost or strongest enemy with curse, then switch back to main bar and throw down shattering prison to hold them in place and then streak through the group to stun and damage them a bit with the lightning form AOE, then start hitting the group with crushing shock and light attacks over and over, whenever crystal shard procs instant cast i use it and go back to holding them down with prison and streak and crushing shock spamming. If the enemies get to low health I switch to back bar and zap them with mages fury until they die.

Ultimates are pretty good all around for mag sorc. The 3 class ultimates all work good, negate is especially good in pvp. Just try them all and use whatever works.

My only healing comes from potions. Mostly I rely on hardend ward to save me from taking too much damage, but in solo pve I use it very sparingly, mostly I use it to recover from losing health. Lightning form on the other hand should be up 100% of the time in every type of content.

Streak has a few seconds of cooldown, so if you use it again it will cost double. Lighting form gives you increased movement speed for a while so it helps to pop that early if you need to move, its better than using your stamina to sprint away, save that for breaking free or dodge rolling.

Lich is nice on the back bar because you need to constantly cast lightning form anyway so when you are below 30% it will proc while doing that, you dont really have to pay attention to it.

Elfhunter194

badmojo wrote: »

What I do...

Sets =
Spinners
Lich
Ilambris

Mundas is atronach (mag regen)

No pets, never pets.

Spinner is only 5of5 on front bar and same with lich on backbar.

Key sorc class abilities would be lighting form, shattering prison, curse, streak mages fury and crystal shard.

I use destro/destro. But resto works good too. For destro abilities crushing shock is king. If more AOE is needed I swap in shock clench. I love crushing shock because it interrupts casting enemies and also because it does damage of all elemental types in one attack. Since Ilambris procs AOE from fire or shock you can potentially cast 1 crushing shock and have it proc twice, great for saving resources while dealing damage.

Before attacking a group of enemies I will switch to back bar, cast lightning form and hit the centermost or strongest enemy with curse, then switch back to main bar and throw down shattering prison to hold them in place and then streak through the group to stun and damage them a bit with the lightning form AOE, then start hitting the group with crushing shock and light attacks over and over, whenever crystal shard procs instant cast i use it and go back to holding them down with prison and streak and crushing shock spamming. If the enemies get to low health I switch to back bar and zap them with mages fury until they die.

Ultimates are pretty good all around for mag sorc. The 3 class ultimates all work good, negate is especially good in pvp. Just try them all and use whatever works.

My only healing comes from potions. Mostly I rely on hardend ward to save me from taking too much damage, but in solo pve I use it very sparingly, mostly I use it to recover from losing health. Lightning form on the other hand should be up 100% of the time in every type of content.

Streak has a few seconds of cooldown, so if you use it again it will cost double. Lighting form gives you increased movement speed for a while so it helps to pop that early if you need to move, its better than using your stamina to sprint away, save that for breaking free or dodge rolling.

Lich is nice on the back bar because you need to constantly cast lightning form anyway so when you are below 30% it will proc while doing that, you dont really have to pay attention to it.

I haven't assigned my CP points into anything yet, was hoping you could help as to where to put them

Kel

Elfhunter194 wrote: »

I'm really finding it hard with my magicka sorc. Before attacking I heal up switch to front bar to deal damage but healing only lasts for about 6 seconds so by the time I've dealt damage I don't really have enough magicka to even heal up. This is the same with healing up, sometimes I make sure I'm always healed and never have really enough magicka to attack properly.

Another problem is I really find it difficult switching between bars while attacking, it frustrates me lol

I've gotten to the point where I want to create a new character but at the same time I don't want to go through the 1-50 levelling up.

Try this.

https://youtu.be/WPAOeApCVpI

MasterSpatula

Go Destro-Resto if you're feeling squishy. Put your Ward on you Resto bar and a strong Resto heal on there, with the other three skills being Class DPS skills. Pretty decent survivability. I even used to put Shards on my Resto bar to get a CC that would give me breathing room for changing back to my Lightning Staff, but, oh yeah, that got Wrobeled.

MLGProPlayer

Shields. You can solo 99% of the content in the game with shields. Your DPS can literally be 5k and you can have the worst rotation in the world, but as long as you pop shield, you're invincible.

badmojo

Elfhunter194 wrote: »

badmojo wrote: »

What I do...

Sets =
Spinners
Lich
Ilambris

Mundas is atronach (mag regen)

No pets, never pets.

Spinner is only 5of5 on front bar and same with lich on backbar.

Key sorc class abilities would be lighting form, shattering prison, curse, streak mages fury and crystal shard.

I use destro/destro. But resto works good too. For destro abilities crushing shock is king. If more AOE is needed I swap in shock clench. I love crushing shock because it interrupts casting enemies and also because it does damage of all elemental types in one attack. Since Ilambris procs AOE from fire or shock you can potentially cast 1 crushing shock and have it proc twice, great for saving resources while dealing damage.

Before attacking a group of enemies I will switch to back bar, cast lightning form and hit the centermost or strongest enemy with curse, then switch back to main bar and throw down shattering prison to hold them in place and then streak through the group to stun and damage them a bit with the lightning form AOE, then start hitting the group with crushing shock and light attacks over and over, whenever crystal shard procs instant cast i use it and go back to holding them down with prison and streak and crushing shock spamming. If the enemies get to low health I switch to back bar and zap them with mages fury until they die.

Ultimates are pretty good all around for mag sorc. The 3 class ultimates all work good, negate is especially good in pvp. Just try them all and use whatever works.

My only healing comes from potions. Mostly I rely on hardend ward to save me from taking too much damage, but in solo pve I use it very sparingly, mostly I use it to recover from losing health. Lightning form on the other hand should be up 100% of the time in every type of content.

Streak has a few seconds of cooldown, so if you use it again it will cost double. Lighting form gives you increased movement speed for a while so it helps to pop that early if you need to move, its better than using your stamina to sprint away, save that for breaking free or dodge rolling.

Lich is nice on the back bar because you need to constantly cast lightning form anyway so when you are below 30% it will proc while doing that, you dont really have to pay attention to it.

I haven't assigned my CP points into anything yet, was hoping you could help as to where to put them

I'm no pro at allocating champion points, I tend to try different setups a lot since it only costs 3k to reset them.

Things I focus on with my mag sorc are... Bastion, Elemental expert, Arcanist, Staff Expert. Secondary ones... master at arms, light armor focus, and then other ones to help in pvp like... shattering blows, warlord, siphoner, tumbling.

Just read up on the champion points and what they affect, there's really no wrong way to allocate them once you know what they do and how the diminishing returns(the more points into it, the less you get with each point) work.

THWIP71

"Finding it hard" is usually not a bad thing, at least at my age.

Runefang

Honestly you're at one of the hardest points in the game, at least to me it was. Being 160 CP is basically the weakest you get in my opinion. You don't have the amount of CP that everybody else does, this makes a huge difference. You can also now equip the best gear but you don't have any of it yet. The game at this point has stopped scaling you up to the content, you're on your own basically.

A basic 5x Necropotence + 5x Juli set up shouldn't take more than a few days to get. You can get Necropotence in Rivenspire. Use a random head piece to begin with, then run one of the easy vet dungeons to get a monster helm that helps a magicka class (Elden Hollow 1 for example).

Practice your combat rotation against a dummy if you need to, it'll be a massive help. A good rotation on competent gear will get you more DPS than a bad rotation on perfect gear.

Elfhunter194

My front bar and back bar skills seem to be very messed up lol.

Front bar in using Magnus inferno staff - sharpened with Crushing Shock IV, Blockade of fire IV, Liquid Lightning IV, Power Surge IV, Healing Ward IV, and as ultimate is transforming into a werewolf.

On back bar I am using Sword of torugs pact, 2 of them sharpened with Crystal Fragments IV, Hardened Ward IV, Mages Futy IV, Powrt surge III, Annulment IV and ultimate is energy overload.

I'm very aware that that all this needs changing, if someone could give me a good front bar and back bar, I would highly appreciate it.

All attributes are slotted into magick giving me a total off 22638 max magicka.