Emma_Overload wrote: »Does he move around or does he just stay at ONE node all day?
If he moves around, he may be a bot, just try to get ahead of him. If stays in one place, it just some guy running a simple macro, not even worth reporting because macros can't be proven. Just farm other nodes and stop wasting your time worrying about what other players are doing!
Almost every time I head out to farm resources, the same player is standing in the same spot macro-farming the same raw ancestor silk node. He's usually there for 8+ hours and loots the nodes so fast that he's begun looting before the node appears on my screen. I assume he's using a macro that is spamming the E key as fast as possible.
I've reported him at least 6 times yet there he is, for hours every day, farming that same node.
If it's not against the rules, what program is he using, as I'll do that 24/7!
Emma_Overload wrote: »Does he move around or does he just stay at ONE node all day?
If he moves around, he may be a bot, just try to get ahead of him. If stays in one place, it just some guy running a simple macro, not even worth reporting because macros can't be proven. Just farm other nodes and stop wasting your time worrying about what other players are doing!
He doesn't move a millimeter all day. And he's in Bal Foyen, where there aren't any mobs nearby to drag over to him
He's there now and has been here since I first logged on at about 8:00 this morning. On the ridge overlooking the beach you land on after the Bleakrock Isles starter quests.
Almost every time I head out to farm resources, the same player is standing in the same spot macro-farming the same raw ancestor silk node. He's usually there for 8+ hours and loots the nodes so fast that he's begun looting before the node appears on my screen. I assume he's using a macro that is spamming the E key as fast as possible.
I've reported him at least 6 times yet there he is, for hours every day, farming that same node.
If it's not against the rules, what program is he using, as I'll do that 24/7!
lordrichter wrote: »Almost every time I head out to farm resources, the same player is standing in the same spot macro-farming the same raw ancestor silk node. He's usually there for 8+ hours and loots the nodes so fast that he's begun looting before the node appears on my screen. I assume he's using a macro that is spamming the E key as fast as possible.
I've reported him at least 6 times yet there he is, for hours every day, farming that same node.
If it's not against the rules, what program is he using, as I'll do that 24/7!
Here is what I think. If he is using a program to watch for the spawn, a macro that presses and holds "E", or has set a rock on the "E" key to hold it down, then it is against the rules. If he is sitting there actually pressing the "E" with his own finger, then he is really not breaking any rules.
Almost every time I head out to farm resources, the same player is standing in the same spot macro-farming the same raw ancestor silk node. He's usually there for 8+ hours and loots the nodes so fast that he's begun looting before the node appears on my screen. I assume he's using a macro that is spamming the E key as fast as possible.
I've reported him at least 6 times yet there he is, for hours every day, farming that same node.
If it's not against the rules, what program is he using, as I'll do that 24/7!
It's against the rules.
Zenimax has specifically stated that even if you are physically present and just holding down one key (while reading a book, watching tv, etc.) that is against the TOS.
The subject came up when people were just pew-pewing highly populated dolmens to level up without actually playing..
Almost every time I head out to farm resources, the same player is standing in the same spot macro-farming the same raw ancestor silk node. He's usually there for 8+ hours and loots the nodes so fast that he's begun looting before the node appears on my screen. I assume he's using a macro that is spamming the E key as fast as possible.
I've reported him at least 6 times yet there he is, for hours every day, farming that same node.
If it's not against the rules, what program is he using, as I'll do that 24/7!
It's against the rules.
Zenimax has specifically stated that even if you are physically present and just holding down one key (while reading a book, watching tv, etc.) that is against the TOS.
The subject came up when people were just pew-pewing highly populated dolmens to level up without actually playing..
Gonna need to see the actual TOS excerpt that states this explicitly. A forum post by a ZOS employee is not a legally binding thing, the TOS is. So I'd need to see where in the TOS it says I can't sit there mashing a button.
The TOS on bots:
"You agree not to use any hardware or software or any other method of support that is not authorized by ZeniMax or that may in any way influence or advantage Your playing abilities, or influence or advantage Your use of the Services. Third party tools, the use of "bots", "speed hacks", "deep-link", "page-scrape", "robot", "spider", algorithms or other programs that copy or monitor any part of the Services (including, but not limited to, the Game(s) and/or forums), software that transmits, manipulates, or distributes (including, but are limited to, "mirroring") the data stream or any aspect of the Services to another computer, server websites or other publication or distribution media, or software that permits You to use Services without human input are examples of methods not authorized by ZeniMax."
There is nothing there stating I can't press a button over and over, if human input is there, then its not against the TOS as far as I can tell.
Almost every time I head out to farm resources, the same player is standing in the same spot macro-farming the same raw ancestor silk node. He's usually there for 8+ hours and loots the nodes so fast that he's begun looting before the node appears on my screen. I assume he's using a macro that is spamming the E key as fast as possible.
I've reported him at least 6 times yet there he is, for hours every day, farming that same node.
If it's not against the rules, what program is he using, as I'll do that 24/7!
It's against the rules.
Zenimax has specifically stated that even if you are physically present and just holding down one key (while reading a book, watching tv, etc.) that is against the TOS.
The subject came up when people were just pew-pewing highly populated dolmens to level up without actually playing..
Gonna need to see the actual TOS excerpt that states this explicitly. A forum post by a ZOS employee is not a legally binding thing, the TOS is. So I'd need to see where in the TOS it says I can't sit there mashing a button.
The TOS on bots:
"You agree not to use any hardware or software or any other method of support that is not authorized by ZeniMax or that may in any way influence or advantage Your playing abilities, or influence or advantage Your use of the Services. Third party tools, the use of "bots", "speed hacks", "deep-link", "page-scrape", "robot", "spider", algorithms or other programs that copy or monitor any part of the Services (including, but not limited to, the Game(s) and/or forums), software that transmits, manipulates, or distributes (including, but are limited to, "mirroring") the data stream or any aspect of the Services to another computer, server websites or other publication or distribution media, or software that permits You to use Services without human input are examples of methods not authorized by ZeniMax."
There is nothing there stating I can't press a button over and over, if human input is there, then its not against the TOS as far as I can tell.
All the forum posts where people were crying about being banned for doing this exact same thing at Dolmens have been deleted because discussing discipline is against the TOS.
Do what you want but I'm just telling you that people have been banned for rubberbanding (or whatever you want to call it).
So when you do look at the following discussion, also look at the numerous entries of: "The user and all related content has been deleted."
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/4038880#Comment_4038880
DigitalEulogy wrote: »Just went back to Craglorn and the same level 5 toon is there across from the defunct nirncrix mine. Been there weeks now. Crazyness
Almost every time I head out to farm resources, the same player is standing in the same spot macro-farming the same raw ancestor silk node. He's usually there for 8+ hours and loots the nodes so fast that he's begun looting before the node appears on my screen. I assume he's using a macro that is spamming the E key as fast as possible.
I've reported him at least 6 times yet there he is, for hours every day, farming that same node.
If it's not against the rules, what program is he using, as I'll do that 24/7!
It's against the rules.
Zenimax has specifically stated that even if you are physically present and just holding down one key (while reading a book, watching tv, etc.) that is against the TOS.
The subject came up when people were just pew-pewing highly populated dolmens to level up without actually playing..
Gonna need to see the actual TOS excerpt that states this explicitly. A forum post by a ZOS employee is not a legally binding thing, the TOS is. So I'd need to see where in the TOS it says I can't sit there mashing a button.
The TOS on bots:
"You agree not to use any hardware or software or any other method of support that is not authorized by ZeniMax or that may in any way influence or advantage Your playing abilities, or influence or advantage Your use of the Services. Third party tools, the use of "bots", "speed hacks", "deep-link", "page-scrape", "robot", "spider", algorithms or other programs that copy or monitor any part of the Services (including, but not limited to, the Game(s) and/or forums), software that transmits, manipulates, or distributes (including, but are limited to, "mirroring") the data stream or any aspect of the Services to another computer, server websites or other publication or distribution media, or software that permits You to use Services without human input are examples of methods not authorized by ZeniMax."
There is nothing there stating I can't press a button over and over, if human input is there, then its not against the TOS as far as I can tell.
All the forum posts where people were crying about being banned for doing this exact same thing at Dolmens have been deleted because discussing discipline is against the TOS.
Do what you want but I'm just telling you that people have been banned for rubberbanding (or whatever you want to call it).
So when you do look at the following discussion, also look at the numerous entries of: "The user and all related content has been deleted."
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/4038880#Comment_4038880
Rubberbanding and actually sitting there mashing a button are two entirely different things. Rubberbanding = no human input.
Almost every time I head out to farm resources, the same player is standing in the same spot macro-farming the same raw ancestor silk node. He's usually there for 8+ hours and loots the nodes so fast that he's begun looting before the node appears on my screen. I assume he's using a macro that is spamming the E key as fast as possible.
I've reported him at least 6 times yet there he is, for hours every day, farming that same node.
If it's not against the rules, what program is he using, as I'll do that 24/7!
It's against the rules.
Zenimax has specifically stated that even if you are physically present and just holding down one key (while reading a book, watching tv, etc.) that is against the TOS.
The subject came up when people were just pew-pewing highly populated dolmens to level up without actually playing..
Gonna need to see the actual TOS excerpt that states this explicitly. A forum post by a ZOS employee is not a legally binding thing, the TOS is. So I'd need to see where in the TOS it says I can't sit there mashing a button.
The TOS on bots:
"You agree not to use any hardware or software or any other method of support that is not authorized by ZeniMax or that may in any way influence or advantage Your playing abilities, or influence or advantage Your use of the Services. Third party tools, the use of "bots", "speed hacks", "deep-link", "page-scrape", "robot", "spider", algorithms or other programs that copy or monitor any part of the Services (including, but not limited to, the Game(s) and/or forums), software that transmits, manipulates, or distributes (including, but are limited to, "mirroring") the data stream or any aspect of the Services to another computer, server websites or other publication or distribution media, or software that permits You to use Services without human input are examples of methods not authorized by ZeniMax."
There is nothing there stating I can't press a button over and over, if human input is there, then its not against the TOS as far as I can tell.
All the forum posts where people were crying about being banned for doing this exact same thing at Dolmens have been deleted because discussing discipline is against the TOS.
Do what you want but I'm just telling you that people have been banned for rubberbanding (or whatever you want to call it).
So when you do look at the following discussion, also look at the numerous entries of: "The user and all related content has been deleted."
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/4038880#Comment_4038880
Rubberbanding and actually sitting there mashing a button are two entirely different things. Rubberbanding = no human input.
Zenimax disagrees. This has already been decided and there were lots of tears shed by people trying to make excuses why they continued a behavior after Zos publicly made their position clear.
Do what you want. I'll have my hanky ready to dry your tears.
Almost every time I head out to farm resources, the same player is standing in the same spot macro-farming the same raw ancestor silk node. He's usually there for 8+ hours and loots the nodes so fast that he's begun looting before the node appears on my screen. I assume he's using a macro that is spamming the E key as fast as possible.
I've reported him at least 6 times yet there he is, for hours every day, farming that same node.
If it's not against the rules, what program is he using, as I'll do that 24/7!
It's against the rules.
Zenimax has specifically stated that even if you are physically present and just holding down one key (while reading a book, watching tv, etc.) that is against the TOS.
The subject came up when people were just pew-pewing highly populated dolmens to level up without actually playing..
Gonna need to see the actual TOS excerpt that states this explicitly. A forum post by a ZOS employee is not a legally binding thing, the TOS is. So I'd need to see where in the TOS it says I can't sit there mashing a button.
The TOS on bots:
"You agree not to use any hardware or software or any other method of support that is not authorized by ZeniMax or that may in any way influence or advantage Your playing abilities, or influence or advantage Your use of the Services. Third party tools, the use of "bots", "speed hacks", "deep-link", "page-scrape", "robot", "spider", algorithms or other programs that copy or monitor any part of the Services (including, but not limited to, the Game(s) and/or forums), software that transmits, manipulates, or distributes (including, but are limited to, "mirroring") the data stream or any aspect of the Services to another computer, server websites or other publication or distribution media, or software that permits You to use Services without human input are examples of methods not authorized by ZeniMax."
There is nothing there stating I can't press a button over and over, if human input is there, then its not against the TOS as far as I can tell.
All the forum posts where people were crying about being banned for doing this exact same thing at Dolmens have been deleted because discussing discipline is against the TOS.
Do what you want but I'm just telling you that people have been banned for rubberbanding (or whatever you want to call it).
So when you do look at the following discussion, also look at the numerous entries of: "The user and all related content has been deleted."
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/4038880#Comment_4038880
Rubberbanding and actually sitting there mashing a button are two entirely different things. Rubberbanding = no human input.
Zenimax disagrees. This has already been decided and there were lots of tears shed by people trying to make excuses why they continued a behavior after Zos publicly made their position clear.
Do what you want. I'll have my hanky ready to dry your tears.
Zenimax terms of service doesn't state it -you said it was against the TOS. You seeing the problem here?
The people doing that at dolmens were cheating, they were actual rubberbanders which IS Against the TOS.
There is nothing there stating I can't press a button over and over, if human input is there, then its not against the TOS as far as I can tell.
lordrichter wrote: »There is nothing there stating I can't press a button over and over, if human input is there, then its not against the TOS as far as I can tell.
To my knowledge, this is correct. You must be doing the work, not a rubberband, or rock, or keyboard macro, or your cat. Furthermore, if someone from ZOS happens along to question you about it, you had better be there to let them know that you are there. If you decide to watch a movie on Netflix while you are mashing that button, you had best keep a close eye on the chat window.
We did hear from people who claimed to be watching a movie, or eating, or doing something else and fighting at dolmens, and were banned. I don't put much stock in those statements.
You can just have an macro sending E every 10 seconds and have auto loot on.lordrichter wrote: »Almost every time I head out to farm resources, the same player is standing in the same spot macro-farming the same raw ancestor silk node. He's usually there for 8+ hours and loots the nodes so fast that he's begun looting before the node appears on my screen. I assume he's using a macro that is spamming the E key as fast as possible.
I've reported him at least 6 times yet there he is, for hours every day, farming that same node.
If it's not against the rules, what program is he using, as I'll do that 24/7!
Here is what I think. If he is using a program to watch for the spawn, a macro that presses and holds "E", or has set a rock on the "E" key to hold it down, then it is against the rules. If he is sitting there actually pressing the "E" with his own finger, then he is really not breaking any rules.
You can just have an macro sending E every 10 seconds and have auto loot on.lordrichter wrote: »Almost every time I head out to farm resources, the same player is standing in the same spot macro-farming the same raw ancestor silk node. He's usually there for 8+ hours and loots the nodes so fast that he's begun looting before the node appears on my screen. I assume he's using a macro that is spamming the E key as fast as possible.
I've reported him at least 6 times yet there he is, for hours every day, farming that same node.
If it's not against the rules, what program is he using, as I'll do that 24/7!
Here is what I think. If he is using a program to watch for the spawn, a macro that presses and holds "E", or has set a rock on the "E" key to hold it down, then it is against the rules. If he is sitting there actually pressing the "E" with his own finger, then he is really not breaking any rules.
If node respawn time is 10 minutes he will get 240 hits during a day or around 800 cloth
TheShadowScout wrote: »Personally i think there should not be any bans for this, but a fine, payable in crowns, and the account staying locked until its paid. But hey, that's me...
That sounds horribly inefficient.You can just have an macro sending E every 10 seconds and have auto loot on.lordrichter wrote: »Almost every time I head out to farm resources, the same player is standing in the same spot macro-farming the same raw ancestor silk node. He's usually there for 8+ hours and loots the nodes so fast that he's begun looting before the node appears on my screen. I assume he's using a macro that is spamming the E key as fast as possible.
I've reported him at least 6 times yet there he is, for hours every day, farming that same node.
If it's not against the rules, what program is he using, as I'll do that 24/7!
Here is what I think. If he is using a program to watch for the spawn, a macro that presses and holds "E", or has set a rock on the "E" key to hold it down, then it is against the rules. If he is sitting there actually pressing the "E" with his own finger, then he is really not breaking any rules.
If node respawn time is 10 minutes he will get 240 hits during a day or around 800 cloth
Almost every time I head out to farm resources, the same player is standing in the same spot macro-farming the same raw ancestor silk node. He's usually there for 8+ hours and loots the nodes so fast that he's begun looting before the node appears on my screen. I assume he's using a macro that is spamming the E key as fast as possible.
I've reported him at least 6 times yet there he is, for hours every day, farming that same node.
If it's not against the rules, what program is he using, as I'll do that 24/7!
It's against the rules.
Zenimax has specifically stated that even if you are physically present and just holding down one key (while reading a book, watching tv, etc.) that is against the TOS.
The subject came up when people were just pew-pewing highly populated dolmens to level up without actually playing..