#10MillionStories contest not open to Australian players
researchmonkey
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Why is the #10MillionStories contest not open to Australian players?
Allowable country of residence are:
United states
Canada
Finland
France
Germany
Mexico
Norway
Russia
Switzerland
United Kingdom
Can ZOS explain why Australians aren't allowed to win prizes too?
Allowable country of residence are:
United states
Canada
Finland
France
Germany
Mexico
Norway
Russia
Switzerland
United Kingdom
Can ZOS explain why Australians aren't allowed to win prizes too?
- Grumbles the Vague
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Drazkyth✭✭✭researchmonkey wrote: »Why is the #10MillionStories contest not open to Australian players?
Allowable country of residence are:
United states
Canada
Finland
France
Germany
Mexico
Norway
Russia
Switzerland
United Kingdom
Can ZOS explain why Australians aren't allowed to win prizes too?
You ought to ask your Government.PC EU
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StackonClown✭✭✭✭✭researchmonkey wrote: »Why is the #10MillionStories contest not open to Australian players?
Allowable country of residence are:
United states
Canada
Finland
France
Germany
Mexico
Norway
Russia
Switzerland
United Kingdom
Can ZOS explain why Australians aren't allowed to win prizes too?
You ought to ask your Government.
Gaming laws are probably part of the reason but do we know for sure? Would be nice to get an answer from @Zose0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭researchmonkey wrote: »Can ZOS explain why Australians aren't allowed to win prizes too?
Something about having to register in Australia, I think. I can't remember the details, but I think there's some onerous requirements to running a raffle that includes Australians if you're not actually operating there primarily.0 -
researchmonkey✭✭✭No mate. Other international game companies run contests that don't bar Australians from entering. The government hasn't blanket-banned having fun.- Grumbles the Vague2
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StackonClown✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »researchmonkey wrote: »Can ZOS explain why Australians aren't allowed to win prizes too?
Something about having to register in Australia, I think. I can't remember the details, but I think there's some onerous requirements to running a raffle that includes Australians if you're not actually operating there primarily.
So its not regulations just red tape?0 -
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✭StackonClown wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »researchmonkey wrote: »Can ZOS explain why Australians aren't allowed to win prizes too?
Something about having to register in Australia, I think. I can't remember the details, but I think there's some onerous requirements to running a raffle that includes Australians if you're not actually operating there primarily.
So its not regulations just red tape?
Might have just been put in the 'too hard' basket.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭StackonClown wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »researchmonkey wrote: »Can ZOS explain why Australians aren't allowed to win prizes too?
Something about having to register in Australia, I think. I can't remember the details, but I think there's some onerous requirements to running a raffle that includes Australians if you're not actually operating there primarily.
So its not regulations just red tape?
Something like that. Like I said, I don't remember the details.0 -
Fingolfinn01✭✭✭✭?? did you notice they were the biggest countries.... it has nothing to do with our government it justs takes time and energy.
And its not worth it for zos to put in that time and energy for smaller nationsPC-NA1 -
StackonClown✭✭✭✭✭Fingolfinn01 wrote: »?? did you notice they were the biggest countries.... it has nothing to do with our government it justs takes time and energy.
And its not worth it for zos to put in that time and energy for smaller nations
So its just a financial/time reason! I'd tend to belive this0 -
necr0o✭✭✭As a game of chance they' need trade promotions permits - per state/territories - meeting different criteria for each one abiding to regulations set out by that state/territories Liquor & Gambling Laws.
Easier to exclude us all, then go per state.2 -
Kahina✭✭✭StackonClown wrote: »Would be nice to get an answer from @Zose
You're not going to get an answer. Because it works like this.
ZOS have x amount of money to spend on legal. So they spend it on their valued markets to understand the law within those markets. Australians are not a valued market. We are too small. We don't even have a decent server.
Our laws don't prevent it. Not at all. ZOS just won't spend the money to make sure of that.
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StackonClown✭✭✭✭✭As a game of chance they' need trade promotions permits - per state/territories - meeting different criteria for each one abiding to regulations set out by that state/territories Liquor & Gambling Laws.
Easier to exclude us all, then go per state.
Thanks! this also explains things a bit more0 -
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StackonClown✭✭✭✭✭AzraelKrieg wrote: »
Thanks!
I think its answered then - it really is all too hard - lol... They need an ABN, Australian Business Number... Seriously, I dont except Zenny to do that either.. forgeeeet it!
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Not too hard. It just costs money they won't spend.StackonClown wrote: »I think its answered then - it really is all too hard - lol.... these laws are broadly consistent and it is not difficult to satisfy the relevant requirements ...
Edited by Kahina on November 6, 2017 12:23PM0 -
tommalmm✭✭✭Australia just as most of the world. Funny though, there is Russia but not Spain nor any other of a few dozen European countries not that much smaller than Germany or France, while there is Finland with ~5mil population, which is barely enough to fill two medium sized cities
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But people above might be right, here in Poland you need a permit to conduct a sweepstake/lottery, you have to comply with the laws regarding it, etc. It might've been the case for many other countries (and it wasn't worth the effort and money).Edited by tommalmm on November 6, 2017 12:41PM0 -
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Not too hard. It just costs money they won't spend.StackonClown wrote: »I think its answered then - it really is all too hard - lol.... these laws are broadly consistent and it is not difficult to satisfy the relevant requirements ...
Yes I read that part, but it did say essentially an Australian 'arm' with an ABN is needed to run the 'draw'.. Dunno if many US companies would hold a foreign 'company' just to run such draws?....Edited by StackonClown on November 6, 2017 12:37PM3 -
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Not too hard. It just costs money they won't spend.StackonClown wrote: »I think its answered then - it really is all too hard - lol.... these laws are broadly consistent and it is not difficult to satisfy the relevant requirements ...
You don’t seem to understand how the law works.4 -
Kahina✭✭✭StackonClown wrote: »
Not too hard. It just costs money they won't spend.StackonClown wrote: »I think its answered then - it really is all too hard - lol.... these laws are broadly consistent and it is not difficult to satisfy the relevant requirements ...
Yes I read that part, but it did say essentially an Australian 'arm' with an ABN is needed to run the 'draw'.. Dunno if many US companies would hold a foreign 'company' just to run such draws?....
I have an ABN. I don't even need one. Would you like one? The Australian distributor sure has one. Stop making this difficult.0 -
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✭✭✭Fingolfinn01 wrote: »?? did you notice they were the biggest countries.... it has nothing to do with our government it justs takes time and energy.
And its not worth it for zos to put in that time and energy for smaller nations
They also blocked out NY, RI, and FL which are in the US.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭AzraelKrieg wrote: »
Right. The draw has to occur in Australia. I knew there was some deranged bit floating through that.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭StackonClown wrote: »
Not too hard. It just costs money they won't spend.StackonClown wrote: »I think its answered then - it really is all too hard - lol.... these laws are broadly consistent and it is not difficult to satisfy the relevant requirements ...
Yes I read that part, but it did say essentially an Australian 'arm' with an ABN is needed to run the 'draw'.. Dunno if many US companies would hold a foreign 'company' just to run such draws?....
I have an ABN. I don't even need one. Would you like one? The Australian distributor sure has one. Stop making this difficult.
Yeah, you also have to conduct the draw in Australia. As in, it's not just getting an ABN for tax purposes. You'd need to actually conduct the raffle in Oz. That means, if you don't already have a subsidiary there, setting one up, going down there, and conducting it from there. That will all pile up into non-trivial expenses in fairly short order. Or, you can simply say, "yeah, no Aussies allowed."
EDIT: Bonus points, the distributor, almost certainly, has no direct ties to Zenimax. Distributors are companies you sell your crap do, on the assumption that they'll actually sell the stuff to stores. Once they've paid you and taken possession, your relationship with them is, basically over, until the next time you've got something to sell.Edited by starkerealm on November 6, 2017 2:33PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »AzraelKrieg wrote: »
Right. The draw has to occur in Australia. I knew there was some deranged bit floating through that.
That is the killer. Only one country can demand this in any international drawing. Australia was not that country.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭lordrichter wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »AzraelKrieg wrote: »
Right. The draw has to occur in Australia. I knew there was some deranged bit floating through that.
That is the killer. Only one country can demand this in any international drawing. Australia was not that country.
Pretty much. Combined with the part where each Australian State has slightly different laws regarding raffles, and at least one or two are ambiguous enough that they can come back and screw you over after the fact. Also, there are distinct conditions. Some are happy to have you if there's less than 5 grand on the table, others don't care if it's online only, but you print out one poster in New Jersey, they find out, and they'll rake you over.
But, yeah, the big killer here is, you need to have an active Australian business for NSW and ACT, and they have to perform the drawing inside Oz's national borders. For an American company, it's way easier to slap a, "nope, you're not invited," sign up, than to deal with Oz's laws.3