PVE Gear for MagNB?

Yubarius

I know that Scathing Mage is probably BiS but I really don't have the willpower or time to grind it, so what do you guys think is a close second? I have a crafter for TBS/Juli and already ahve 5 divines BSW that i've been using.

SammyFable

Ever since the fix to path scathing has lost it's potential. It's not reliable enough. You are better of using Julianos, even if you had 5 parts of SM.

Shadzilla

SammyFable wrote: »

Ever since the fix to path scathing has lost it's potential. It's not reliable enough. You are better of using Julianos, even if you had 5 parts of SM.

Correct. The fact that they actually spent the time on fixing scathing mage - path relationship, really annoys me. Looking at all the other major bugs that are still ignored.

5 Juli 4 Moondancer 2 Skoria is BIS for magblade now.

geonsocal

Stygian Set
(2 items) Adds 129 Spell Damage
(3 items) Adds 1096 Max Stamina
(4 items) Adds 1096 Max Magicka
(5 items) While you are Sneaking or invisible, spells do an additional 20% more damage.

it is a medium armor set, so, you have to use jewels or weapons...

plus, I can't remember exactly what it was - but, think the stygian set might have been nerfed at one point...

Edit: yeah, i was trying to be clever, forget all that - julianos and spinners

NyassaV

Julianos is pretty much BiS, honestly in my opinion it has been for awhile

Imza

I use Treasure Hunter...

Edit: Oh and Willpower jewelery

O_LYKOS

Julianos. Hands down

Yubarius

SammyFable wrote: »

Ever since the fix to path scathing has lost it's potential. It's not reliable enough. You are better of using Julianos, even if you had 5 parts of SM.

I have a question regarding my bar setup. So is it better for solo applications to be running wall of lightning on backbar to get better procs of off balance, and have destro ulti front bar for the destro passive and obviously damage; or is it better to have soul harvest front bar, wall of fire front bar for destro passive, and then have lightning destro ulti backbar?

Onefrkncrzypope

I'm hitting 35k with bsw IA and grothdar/skoria. But Juliano's will be easier to get, still ia and grothdar/skoria

Yubarius

Onefrkncrzypope wrote: »

I'm hitting 35k with bsw IA and grothdar/skoria. But Juliano's will be easier to get, still ia and grothdar/skoria

I was running the exact setup but I have way less dps, what is your bar setup

WrathOfInnos

Yubarius wrote: »

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SammyFable wrote: »

Ever since the fix to path scathing has lost it's potential. It's not reliable enough. You are better of using Julianos, even if you had 5 parts of SM.

I have a question regarding my bar setup. So is it better for solo applications to be running wall of lightning on backbar to get better procs of off balance, and have destro ulti front bar for the destro passive and obviously damage; or is it better to have soul harvest front bar, wall of fire front bar for destro passive, and then have lightning destro ulti backbar?

Lightning wall is usually best if you have at least 75 points in Thaumaturge CP. Not sure if you have a VMA staff, but you would want to use it on your back bar with wall. Fire wall becomes better if multiple group members are using lightning walls, and if a MagDK is supplying Engulfing Flames to boost fire damage.

Soul harvest should be on the bar you spend more time on, along with impale to ensure you get the extra ultimate from kills.

Just make sure that you have at least on destruction ability on each bar to get the 8% damage passive

Raghul

Dps test + build:
https://youtu.be/eBZQqO1mGJI

High parse with that build:
https://youtu.be/A4tQ8iQT_M4

Make sure you have all divines tho, i still have infused pcs from few years ago ^^

Flameheart

There are several options for a magNB, depends if you have a vMA staff or not and if you play your magblade really as ranged DD (as you will do - at least for some bosses - in trials):

1) 5 x Julianos / 4 x Aether / 2 x Ilambris / vMA Firestaff (Aether lightning on backbar)
2) 5 x Mother's Sorrow / 4 x Aether / 2 x Ilambris / vMA Firestaff (Aether lightning on backbar)
3) 5 x Julianos / 5 x Mother's Sorrow / 1 Ice Heart

Why no Scathing Mage ? Zenimax fixed our "path" (it now counts as a real DoT and not as direct damage anymore) so the uptime won't be high enough anymore (so all your countless farming runs in ICP for that set were in vain...thx Zenimax..)
Why Aether ? NB is a class that still profits the most from +crit (Moondancer or Master Architect are still good if you don't have an Aether lightning staff for your backbar, all three sets deliver Minor Slayer)
Why Mother's Sorrow ? as above, delivers high critrating
Why Ilambris ? If you wanne use a proc set you need one which delivers damage to ranged targets. Using lightning clench, heavy lighting staff attacks, a shock glyph on your mainbar fire staff still increases Ilambris "double proc" uptime.

My guess is that all 3 options won't differ much in point of dps. To get high damage with a magblade is still a major thing of rotation (especially in the execute phase), weaving and animation cancelling and - as an additional difficulty - the proper timing and use of the Assassin's proc.

Dymence

Flameheart wrote: »

There are several options for a magNB, depends if you have a vMA staff or not and if you play your magblade really as ranged DD (as you will do - at least for some bosses - in trials):

1) 5 x Julianos / 4 x Aether / 2 x Ilambris / vMA Firestaff (Aether lightning on backbar)
2) 5 x Mother's Sorrow / 4 x Aether / 2 x Ilambris / vMA Firestaff (Aether lightning on backbar)
3) 5 x Julianos / 5 x Mother's Sorrow / 1 Ice Heart

Why no Scathing Mage ? Zenimax fixed our "path" (it now counts as a real DoT and not as direct damage anymore) so the uptime won't be high enough anymore (so all your countless farming runs in ICP for that set were in vain...thx Zenimax..)
Why Aether ? NB is a class that still profits the most from +crit (Moondancer or Master Architect are still good if you don't have an Aether lightning staff for your backbar, all three sets deliver Minor Slayer)
Why Mother's Sorrow ? as above, delivers high critrating
Why Ilambris ? If you wanne use a proc set you need one which delivers damage to ranged targets. Using lightning clench, heavy lighting staff attacks, a shock glyph on your mainbar fire staff still increases Ilambris "double proc" uptime.

My guess is that all 3 options won't differ much in point of dps. To get high damage with a magblade is still a major thing of rotation (especially in the execute phase), weaving and animation cancelling and - as an additional difficulty - the proper timing and use of the Assassin's proc.

Nr.2 is not an option tbh mother's sorrow is only a DPS enabler not a creator, it only works as a second set if you run 2 5 pieces

altemriel

this setup is good:

https://alcasthq.com/eso-magicka-nightblade-build-pve/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1PrVjlEZGg&t=606s


I am currently running 5 Julianos, 5 War Maiden (really cheap to buy this set in guild stores, as people farmed Vvanderfel dailies for motifs), 1 Molag kena and it is pretty good.

I must farm trial gear for that build...


but an important thing to remember, you can run the best BIS gear setup, but still, the good skill rotation (keeping dots and buffs up all the time) makes at least 50 % of your "high dps"

Hortator Indoril Nerevar

Yubarius wrote: »

I know that Scathing Mage is probably BiS but I really don't have the willpower or time to grind it, so what do you guys think is a close second? I have a crafter for TBS/Juli and already ahve 5 divines BSW that i've been using.

I often get 50-60k single target on boss fights in vPledges (for example I got a 55k just last night on the flesh bosso in vicp with 3 other dps friends) and I will say what I use below. That info above does NOT include adds dps by the way.

Main:
5 scathing : Devines : Magic : Gold
4 IA : Arcance : Rings Neck Gold : Spell damage : 1 Inferno Infused Front : Fire enchant
1 VMA Lightning Back : spell damage : Infused : Gold

Monsters:
Close range : Groth Med Heav : Magic : Gold
Range : Valk Med Heav : Magic : Gold

Juli is probs around the same and much easier than scathing to get. However I have had scathing since it was BIS and to be honest I see little difference when you do the maths on its up time etc.

Anyways hope that helps.

Note: If you are doing group stuff you may want to change trait on back aoe wep and enchants on them. Just a side note though. I focus 100% dps output.

Flameheart

Dymence wrote: »

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Flameheart wrote: »

There are several options for a magNB, depends if you have a vMA staff or not and if you play your magblade really as ranged DD (as you will do - at least for some bosses - in trials):

1) 5 x Julianos / 4 x Aether / 2 x Ilambris / vMA Firestaff (Aether lightning on backbar)
2) 5 x Mother's Sorrow / 4 x Aether / 2 x Ilambris / vMA Firestaff (Aether lightning on backbar)
3) 5 x Julianos / 5 x Mother's Sorrow / 1 Ice Heart

Why no Scathing Mage ? Zenimax fixed our "path" (it now counts as a real DoT and not as direct damage anymore) so the uptime won't be high enough anymore (so all your countless farming runs in ICP for that set were in vain...thx Zenimax..)
Why Aether ? NB is a class that still profits the most from +crit (Moondancer or Master Architect are still good if you don't have an Aether lightning staff for your backbar, all three sets deliver Minor Slayer)
Why Mother's Sorrow ? as above, delivers high critrating
Why Ilambris ? If you wanne use a proc set you need one which delivers damage to ranged targets. Using lightning clench, heavy lighting staff attacks, a shock glyph on your mainbar fire staff still increases Ilambris "double proc" uptime.

My guess is that all 3 options won't differ much in point of dps. To get high damage with a magblade is still a major thing of rotation (especially in the execute phase), weaving and animation cancelling and - as an additional difficulty - the proper timing and use of the Assassin's proc.

Nr.2 is not an option tbh mother's sorrow is only a DPS enabler not a creator, it only works as a second set if you run 2 5 pieces

Yep, you are right. I wanted to write

2) 5 x Julianos / 4 x Moondancer or 4 x Master Architect / 2 x Ilambris / vMA Firestaff (Moondancer / Master Architect lightning on backbar)

but brainfarted somehow.

Skoria is an option too, but the 1 piece bonus is not the best though and the additional health not really needed if you have a standard Ebon tank and you should be used to shield yourself in trials like vLoM, vHoF and vAS anyways.

Flameheart

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

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I often get 50-60k single target on boss fights in vPledges (for example I got a 55k just last night on the flesh bosso in vicp with 3 other dps friends) and I will say what I use below. That info above does NOT include adds dps by the way.

Scathing isn't bad still, but I agree Julianos provides already the same if not better dps now.

In spite of I would love to see a Combat Metrix screen where you do score such dps values - single target - in a vet boss fight.
Even with a perfect buff and debuff setup this score is about 10k higher as the best single target raid dps I have ever seen, hard to believe really .-) Magblades aren't bad, but they are still no Stamblades or StamDKs :-)

generalmyrick

1 dimensional builds! nice!

Hortator Indoril Nerevar

generalmyrick wrote: »

1 dimensional builds! nice!

1 dps builds! Nice!

Flameheart

generalmyrick wrote: »

1 dimensional builds! nice!

Rolespecific builds ! Nice! Someone is doing what he should do !

Besides that every magicka build class is able to be a full tank or healer too by just hitting a hotkey for Dressing Room...