Alliance change - take my money

x_t7ink_x

Ive found a decemt guild finally for pvp and 6 put of my 7 characters are yellow and the guild is blue! I really want to push my main for grandoverlord but this is out of the question unless i want to pug it or go alone. Id love to run some of my others mains with the guild and have had to grind a new char just to play. They have different character nights etc which i cant join in with and its very annoying. There cpuld eveb be a month cooldown on it to ensure it doesnt interfere with campaigbs etc.

Rawkan

Sure, for 10k crowns. That's the price you pay for treason.

Kahina

Every player should be required to pick one alliance. One.

None of this change chars to swap to the winning alliance ***.

You deserve to be drawn and quartered.

SydneyGrey

Kahina wrote: »

Every player should be required to pick one alliance. One.
None of this change chars to swap to the winning alliance ***.
You deserve to be drawn and quartered.

If people wanted to just swap to the winning alliance, all they have to do is just switch characters. Alliance change isn't going to make one bit of difference. Your argument is invalid.

Turelus

I keep posting it over and over but, make the "set campaign as X" lock all character on your account to a faction you choose (at that time) when in that campaign.

This way everyone can switch but they have to pay AP or wait for a campaign to end. They can play another faction in a separate campaign though.

Kahina

SydneyGrey wrote: »

If people wanted to just swap to the winning alliance, all they have to do is just switch characters. Alliance change isn't going to make one bit of difference. Your argument is invalid.

Can you even read?

If people are locked to a single alliance per account, they can't switch characters to change alliance. They are account bound.

Qbiken

Kahina wrote: »

SydneyGrey wrote: »

If people wanted to just swap to the winning alliance, all they have to do is just switch characters. Alliance change isn't going to make one bit of difference. Your argument is invalid.

Can you even read?

If people are locked to a single alliance per account, they can't switch characters to change alliance. They are account bound.

Why take it to the extreme?? Make one alliance/campaign instead, it´s a much better idea than to lock your entire account to one alliance.

pandoraderomanus

I've never understood these 'treason' accusations in such threads. Players are not always 'lucky' with alliance they've chosen for their main characters (because usually main character is 1st character; how many of you have actually made a 'right' alliance choice from the beginning of the game?). I personally know a lot of pvp players who started playing for different alliance, made some effort, got achievements/levelled crafting/skills/whatever and then had to level alts only to play with their friends they found in the game. At least in this case if you have only 1 character, you will always play the same alliance, and if you level an alt with different alliance, you can be a 'traitor' at any time switching characters depends on map situation.

So I don't see a problem here. Allow 1 time alliance change per character, NOT every month ofc or when you have crowns - only once per character (so that it's not because another alliance is a winner, but because you want to play permanently for another alliance, no matter winning or loosing).

SydneyGrey

Kahina wrote: »

SydneyGrey wrote: »

If people wanted to just swap to the winning alliance, all they have to do is just switch characters. Alliance change isn't going to make one bit of difference. Your argument is invalid.

Can you even read?
If people are locked to a single alliance per account, they can't switch characters to change alliance. They are account bound.

Why would you do that to people? That's awful. People should have the option to experience difference alliances.
What an extremely rude person you are.

x_t7ink_x

Kahina wrote: »

Every player should be required to pick one alliance. One.

None of this change chars to swap to the winning alliance ***.

You deserve to be drawn and quartered.

It's not about winning alliance you havent read my post its about the social aspect of the people that ive met and enjoy playing with. To put it into perspective im a pve player that occassionally pvps but the guild is blue. So you coulsnt be further from being wrong

HugsAlotOfBosmer

Palpatine jokes aside, It would be neat. Though last time they were asked about this, they were very much against the idea. Hopfully they might change their mind on it, seems like a lot of people want this

anadandy

x_t7ink_x wrote: »

It's not about winning alliance you havent read my post its about the social aspect of the people that ive met and enjoy playing with.

THIS. It is entirely possible to create the change in a way that it couldn't be exploited or abused by "traitors" (eyeroll). Make it a one time per character EVER token - or a prohibitively long cooldown, or as other people have mentioned 1 alliance per campaign - you choose and are locked in to that alliance for the duration of the campaign.

And before someone says it: Yes, you can roll up an alt - something I have done. But 180 days of riding lessons...

White wabbit

anadandy wrote: »

x_t7ink_x wrote: »

It's not about winning alliance you havent read my post its about the social aspect of the people that ive met and enjoy playing with.

THIS. It is entirely possible to create the change in a way that it couldn't be exploited or abused by "traitors" (eyeroll). Make it a one time per character EVER token - or a prohibitively long cooldown, or as other people have mentioned 1 alliance per campaign - you choose and are locked in to that alliance for the duration of the campaign.

And before someone says it: Yes, you can roll up an alt - something I have done. But 180 days of riding lessons...

Can ask though is this alliance you want to swap for the social aspects and winning side

anadandy

White wabbit wrote: »

anadandy wrote: »

x_t7ink_x wrote: »

It's not about winning alliance you havent read my post its about the social aspect of the people that ive met and enjoy playing with.

THIS. It is entirely possible to create the change in a way that it couldn't be exploited or abused by "traitors" (eyeroll). Make it a one time per character EVER token - or a prohibitively long cooldown, or as other people have mentioned 1 alliance per campaign - you choose and are locked in to that alliance for the duration of the campaign.

And before someone says it: Yes, you can roll up an alt - something I have done. But 180 days of riding lessons...

Can ask though is this alliance you want to swap for the social aspects and winning side

No. All it is about is that I invested a lot of time/effort in my main and it would be nice to take her into PVP and play with people I know. I have other characters so it's not a deal breaker - but the idea that the only reason someone would want to switch alliances is because they're a "traitor" or otherwise game the system is hyperbole. I give ZERO craps about the "winning alliance". I play my hardest but if we lose, we lose and I just try again next campaign.

Alliance change can be done in a way that it can't be exploited/abused.

x_t7ink_x

There seems to be a cancellation of any negative aspects through a proper thought out way of introducing this @ZOS_EveP do you think this this request would be considered. As i say im a pve player and casual pvp restrictions because of chosen alliance 2 years ago can be frustrating to players and to be honest i know a few who have left because the social aspect wasnt there anymore, i very much think this wpuld boost some additional interest. There would be no exploitation for emporer or whatever people are conserned about if it had correct limitations applied. Only one change per character in 3-6 months would be fine by me!

TheShadowScout

My opinion on this is rhe same as always...
...in that i would like an allaince change option - IF done right!

And by that I mean not just a service token to pop a character to a different alliance... but a guild-sized "cloak & dagger" DLC where you get a "loyalty called in question" questline, and within that, a big choice to make - will your character stay loyal and find the real traitor who framed them, or make the accusations reality by defecting to greener pastures?

With the rest of the questline diverging according to which one you choose - either follow the clues and find the true spy, clear your name and reaffirm your loyalty, or evade the agents sent after you, prepare your escape and grab a fre juicy secrets on the way out. Bonus points for featuring familiar faces... who would not slam a porticullis shut into razum-dars face while hopping on a boat bound for morrowind with naryu?

Such a story could take place all over the map(s), revisiting old regions used for other story quests with new mobs, with one central "neutral" location where the various agents of the three alliances meet to spy hard (I am thinking... like cold war era Vienna or Berlin in the spy movies...), some neutral trade city in between the warring alliances, possibly even several and the story split between them and the vasious trips to diverse lands...

And of course, there could be neat titles for this... like "[original faction] Loyalist" for those who remain and "[original faction] Defector" for those who leave...

Naturally there also could be alliance war drawbacks to being a "turncoat" as well... to discourage those who would want to "join the winning side" as some fear (not that this could be prevented anyhow as long as people can switch campaigns and such)
...like... noone really trusts a traitor, so it could make sense for any turncoats to face some penalty in their new army. Like earning AP at only half rate for the next six months, or having their alliance rank set inactive and unable ro proogress until they re-earn their current level through more PvP (like re-earning the rank they attained in the army they defected from in their new one), or both.
...oh, and there definitely should be some reward (triple the usual AP?) for their former comrades PK-ing them on the battlefield... perhaps even a daily "hunt traitor" quest that points out defectors from your faction in cyrodil for you, because...

x_t7ink_x

Not liking the last part, half of this is if like to take my tank into pvp with friends its ad and my guild is dc... you see my problem 7/8 chars are ad. When i originally started i did pvp with a guild gpt my tank high up the ranks and discovered pve.. i did this for a while they then opened things to all alliances i met knew friends that are dc as the old ad guild filtered out and died due to all sorts of issues on the game. I now would have to run solo or find and ad guild who i like and abandon the idea of running with friends if i ever want to get the overlors title. Its just yet ANOTHER frustration with the game... not to mention all the lag and servrr performance issues with cwc update

JoffyToffy69

Just alliance lock each campaign as previously suggested. Pretty sure a long time ago it was alliance looked but idk what happened.

Also, a ONCE OFF swap is stupid and short sighted. What if your guild dies and friends stop playing after this once off change? You'll be in the same dilemma!

x_t7ink_x

JoffyToffy69 wrote: »

Just alliance lock each campaign as previously suggested. Pretty sure a long time ago it was alliance looked but idk what happened.

Also, a ONCE OFF swap is stupid and short sighted. What if your guild dies and friends stop playing after this once off change? You'll be in the same dilemma!

Ill take my chances with a one off id be in a better position than i am now..

Fingolfinn01

So are we going to get an alliance change token in 2018??

Azurya

x_t7ink_x wrote: »

Ive found a decemt guild finally for pvp and 6 put of my 7 characters are yellow and the guild is blue! I really want to push my main for grandoverlord but this is out of the question unless i want to pug it or go alone. Id love to run some of my others mains with the guild and have had to grind a new char just to play. They have different character nights etc which i cant join in with and its very annoying. There cpuld eveb be a month cooldown on it to ensure it doesnt interfere with campaigbs etc.

@ZOS_GinaBruno , @ZOS_Wrobel and whoever @ZOS make it possible!

SydneyGrey

Fingolfinn01 wrote: »

So are we going to get an alliance change token in 2018??

Naw. People will cry about it, because ... reasons.

I only want it so I can make my Dark Elf E.P. like she's supposed to be. She was the result of a race change, so ended up being stuck in the Covenant. Race changes are my main reason for wanting alliance change. I don't give two flips about who is "winning" in Cyrodiil. My PvP character is Dominion, and would stay that way even if they gave us alliance change tomorrow for free.

Gbnicholson1

Yes please make this. Maybe have it like they say where you can only use one per toon every 3 or four months, The campaigns need at least an hour cool down between switches, although that’s not going to stop people from jumping on another factions toon to leak stuff in discord or whispers. People have taken to flinging wild accusations at me for not being faction loyal, talking people into ignoring my group requests,etc. While they are making things up, if I could switch my alliances as described it would cut down on this needless drama. People making things up about me is a pet peeve of mine, people believing in what absolutely has to be bs doesn’t make me to happy either. I’m leaving pvp for a bit while they implode realizing my absence has no bearing on the leaks.

It should be free though. Forge simple reason of what’s happened to me. If people want to do something like to someone that it should cost them tons of money to leave their faction.

Venom4You

are people in this thread actually serious?
all this whining about "switching to the winning side". we are in 2018 - campaign rewards, after 4 years, are still garbage - so playing the "objective" doesn't make sense at all in the first place. so why would anybody, ANYBODY switch alliance for the reason of standing on the winning side? no way people would pay 3k crowns or more on a monthly basis only to join the alliance that is currently "winning". so whats all the fuss about -.- and if someone only stays in your alliance because he is too lazy to grind all the hard stuff he has already achieved again - is that a "loyal" comrade, you true alliance warriors want in your ranks? I honestly don't get it. People should be free to do what they want in ESO, without being forced to grinding because one picked the wrong alliance in whomes importance or relevance one no longer (or never?) believes (believed).

its simply quality of life to be able to swap alliance at this point in the game with alliances already completely meaningless in pve and the only remaining factor being pvp. people who actually ask for an alliance swap in crown store are people like me, who don't give a monkey about faction pride, but play this game for good pvp with their guild mates. good pvp meaning for me and my guild (and for most other progressive raid groups) killing the faction with the biggest zergs (best ap), so actually supporting the losing faction by binding huge amounts of enemy players to some spot so they can go take keeps to catch up on the scoreboard. For us and many small scale groups (who also like to play the least dominant faction - because small scaling gets really hard when everywhere you flip something PUGs follow or the map is entirely covered in your own colour because of some night/morning capper) that is. I for instance, started this game on DC side. I have 6 DC characters but my pvp guild only plays on EP and AD. so what does it help you faction loyalists (except for the LOLs or pure resentment towards me or my playstyle) that I would have to delete all my DC chars in order to grind new additional chars on EP and AD in order to support my guild better and thereby increase my personal enjoyment? For me it appears like pure harassment not to grant this feature at this point in the game - there is absolutely nothing reasonable speaking against it.

So ZOS, please. Introduce the faction change token. Give it a cooldown if need be so the faction loyalists can sleep calm in their beds, knowing that some zergling (one being rich on crowns that is ) won't be able to swap alliance every month just to gain some crappy end of campaign reward. For all players who actually only care for pvp and not pvdoor, this addition would be very awesome and greatly appreciated and thereby well repayed with real life coin!

Zbigb4life

Rawkan wrote: »

Sure, for 10k crowns. That's the price you pay for treason.

I was more thinking of 25k crowns

Azurya

treason?
we see accounts switching sides 3 times an evening, and you talk about treason

listen, right after the launch of the game it wasn´t that obvious that you could go with your char to anyother alliance
to quest through that areas too
so I had chars everwhere
my homebase has been DC
and I just want my other 2 toons to get them there

rather dishonoured at home, before doing nothing in faraway-lands

leeux

I'd totally use a change alliance token... to change my non-AD characters to AD so I can PvP with them too.

LadyAstrum

An alliance token useable only once per character .

RANKK7

LadyAstrum wrote: »

An alliance token useable only once per character .

Agreed, a one time token.

Though... unless they will release a token with the DLC in a few days, it will be useless for me. I've decided to delete the two characters I wanted to change alliance (will redo the horse training and all, yes, I'm tired of waiting for a token, it's being discussed and they said nothing).

Obviously ZOS lost my money because I will just delete the two characters instead of spending for tokens.

Oh, and those characters never entered AVA location, it was merely a matter to change the Alliance with no strings attached about rank. Great job, ZOS.

huschdeguddzje

Yeah give me class change tokens

Gbnicholson1

Venom4You wrote: »

are people in this thread actually serious?
all this whining about "switching to the winning side". we are in 2018 - campaign rewards, after 4 years, are still garbage - so playing the "objective" doesn't make sense at all in the first place. so why would anybody, ANYBODY switch alliance for the reason of standing on the winning side? no way people would pay 3k crowns or more on a monthly basis only to join the alliance that is currently "winning". so whats all the fuss about -.- and if someone only stays in your alliance because he is too lazy to grind all the hard stuff he has already achieved again - is that a "loyal" comrade, you true alliance warriors want in your ranks? I honestly don't get it. People should be free to do what they want in ESO, without being forced to grinding because one picked the wrong alliance in whomes importance or relevance one no longer (or never?) believes (believed).

I somehow agree with this more every time I reread it. People arr way too paranoid. Spying at its worst is giving away positions, which is also at worst a minor annoyance because it doesn’t mean the people they are spying for have a better chance to kill your group.