Pvp what am i doing wrong

Luciferazazell

Luciferazazell wrote: »

Baranthus wrote: »

PvP is horrible to learn. you should just give up and quit. Right now. No? You will die die die die diedie die die die die and die again. and again. and even more. Then you might start to improve. Or not - then you'll leave , like every other PvE'er who got their ass handed to them and says PvP suckz.

OR...

you 'll get really effin angry and start to look at why you died. What exactly killed you? You'll ask LOTS of questions (you've already taken the first step! ) and ask how to prevent getting killed by 'X' (x = skill/damage type/etc). You'll learn to dodge roll and drop into stealth, you'll start to make sure you are seen as little as possible. You'll become more alert and know exactly what to do as that ganker surprises you and smaks you upside the face. And then you'll kill her or him. and you 'll do it again a few minutes later after they track you down after rezzing at Cropsford. Then they'll avoid you and tell their mates that you are pretty tastey and to avoid you too.

Then you'll know - you're doing it right. See you in cyrodill

Yeah this is where im at now . Stealthbis great if you a templar with your shadow cloak those guys mok me in pvp there just in an Out from another dimension lol the closes thing i have in this regard is potions of invisability wich last about 5 seconds

itscompton

ChildOfLight wrote: »

Luciferazazell wrote: »

[...]Dragon knight stamina [...]what am i doing wrong ?

What you're doing wrong is choosing to play the StamDk in PvP.

This class is absolutely garbage in comparison with everything else.

The problem is not the 0,001% edge the correct race would grant, as someone stated.
The nerf train, stamDK suffered over the last 5 patches or so on, is the current issue.



As if this was not enough, we had some top eso streamer stating he was not playing StamDk cause it was too easy.

Laughing out loud.

This isn't the minimal difference of picking between Khajit, Wood Elf, or Redguard. The race he is playing has no passives for stamina recovery and since stam DK's are designed to stand their ground and tank damage through blocking running out of stamina during a fight is pretty much gave over. They have to be patient and get opponents to deplete their magic/stam first since they have no way to disengage and escape like a Sorc or NB does when a fight turns against them. (Templars are much the same expect they substitute healing for mitigation, but on either class going berserker and full out attacking without quickly getting a kill completely burns your main resource, which means you die soon after).

Now to the OP: Despite all the people here recommending impenetrable as a trait I've been talking with DK's in game that tank 10+ people beating on them for 10-15 minutes and they recommend a set up of sturdy for the trait on all the armor with one hand and shield/two handed for weapons. All sturdy plus a lot of CP into block cost reduction makes it possible to lower the cost of block far enough to basically perma block while still getting stam back from potions, heavy armor passives, 5-piece set passives, and Redguard passives; along with the S&B Ult giving them occasional six second breaks to drop block so their regular stamina regen can get in a few ticks. Since they only get six seconds of regular regen at a time it's important it be as high a number as possible. This build may suffer with the siphoner CP now affecting all the sources of resource recovery mentioned above but how much remains to be seen since the debuff has to be applied by a heavy attack every three seconds.
And even if siphoner negates their ability to tank large groups for long periods of time Stam Dk's built and played correctly will still be incredibly hard to kill solo and probably even by a small 3-5 man group. As for getting kills they can turn around and drop people in medium/light armor pretty quickly with a will timed animation cancel/damage ult combo, especially if they're wearing Clever Alchemist, Ravager, Fury, or 7th legion to give them a large damage boost for short periods. I've been with many a group beating on a tough DK who suddenly stops blocking and drops Dawnbreaker then quickly does a couple of animation canceled reverse slices and kills 3-4 of the other people with me before the knockdown stun breaks. At that point I just get up, heal myself and walk away because two heavy armor users built for survival with short bursts of offense is nearly always a stalemate with both giving up when they realize they can't kill each other.

Kay1

As if this was not enough, we had some top eso streamer stating he was not playing StamDk cause it was too easy.

Who? All the top eso streamers are *** at the moment I am sure I smoke him in live in 45 seconds, too easy a Stam DK while it's the shittiest class with magblade lol.

Must be another SypherProcK who "1vX" doing 1v3 on PC NA against noobs who play like bots.

AlnilamE

Luciferazazell wrote: »

Thanks to everyone for there responces i will take all into consideration armor sets as well as rotation between skills to get the best synergy. Maybe even trying a magica build with my dark elf though i much more prefer being in the action not far into the distance shooting fireballs and waving a staff but who knows whatever works. I was using heavy armor for some time but my understanding of it atleast from the laughter of some players in game after mentioning i had heavy armor with my stamina build is that heavy is for tanks and for stamina builds you want to go medium armor

Magicka DK is no more ranged than stamina DK. you get to breathe fire on people and pull them towards you with your chains.

That said, I'm not a very experienced PvPer, but I've run with some good groups and when the crown knows what they are doing and the group listens to them, you can have a great time.

The other thing I learned is that at the beginning, you have no idea how to react to things and very often you are dead before you know what hit you. Then you get better and you don't die as quickly. Then you get even better and you manage to escape to safety. And finally, you turn the tables and you kill your attacker instead of getting killed!

But it is a learning curve for sure.

Nord_Templar

This is a real war. Of course, it is difficult. This can not be compared with a conventional computer game. Kill people for fun, with ease - this only happens with cheaters.
 I do not know how to play PvP at all, with 23000 units of Health. Any normal archer will knock you out at once, out of invisibility. I'm not even talking about arrows with poison.
 And there are "indestructible" players. This is when an individual player kills a whole group of players, it is not possible to damage such a player. I saw it myself.
 I'm not very suspicious when such cheaters kill me, because I know that they are crooks.

Kahina

Luciferazazell wrote: »

Pvp what am i doing wrong

Your in PVP. Stop it. Now.

Syrusthevirus187

Most of the best pvp'ers have the best vma scores for a reason. They've learned how to look after themselves.

geonsocal

Syrusthevirus187 wrote: »

Most of the best pvp'ers have the best vma scores for a reason. They've learned how to look after themselves.

hmmmmmm, not really sure what that all means, but, it does sound kind of accurate

geonsocal

Luciferazazell wrote: »

i much more prefer being in the action not far into the distance shooting fireballs and waving a staff but who knows whatever works.

I was using heavy armor for some time but my understanding of it atleast from the laughter of some players in game after mentioning i had heavy armor with my stamina build is that heavy is for tanks and for stamina builds you want to go medium armor

I pvp to relax...it's a lot of the same, but, just a little different each time...

I enjoy large scale AvAvA...not always easy to find - but, when you do you can have fun for a good while playing off your allies (what a joy when you start recognizing who the healers are ) and fighting a variety of opponents...

that means a lot of consistent incoming damage...

a lot of times in big zergy battles it will turn to 1v1...

use 10 characters, all different races, mag/stam versions in each class...

some characters are more challenging to play than others...

there are some very useful up close fights skills for a dragonknight...

for myself it's more relaxing if I have at least 30k health (40k is definitely better), at least 2k in crit resistances and as close to 20k spell & weapon damage resistance as I can...

getting there with my sorcerers and nightblades is a challenge - I'm more focused on trying to stay mobile and burst folks down...

i try to keep up whatever resistence buff i can (for my dk's I use hardened armor) whenever in combat...

your mundus stone, attribute points, set choice, glyphs, champion points, potions can all help you find damage...

spend some time going through eso armor sets, you can pick and choose whatever you think might work best, and, try to acquire it...

staying geared for pvp can get very expensive, as you evolve your gear will change...

Edit: I remember a couple of months after joining the forums preaching to my buddy how he should be wearing medium or light armor on some of his characters...

he said he preferred wearing heavy in pvp - he was right...the more experience in pvp you have you can start experimenting with different weight armors...

especially if you wanna play up close and personal - turtle up man, turtle up

IlCanis_LupuslI

Nord_Templar wrote: »

This is a real war. Of course, it is difficult. This can not be compared with a conventional computer game. Kill people for fun, with ease - this only happens with cheaters.
 I do not know how to play PvP at all, with 23000 units of Health. Any normal archer will knock you out at once, out of invisibility. I'm not even talking about arrows with poison.
 And there are "indestructible" players. This is when an individual player kills a whole group of players, it is not possible to damage such a player. I saw it myself.
 I'm not very suspicious when such cheaters kill me, because I know that they are crooks.

@Nord_Templar
It comes with experience, ive been playing eso for 2 years now pretty much all the time stamblade and trust me 23000 health points is enough, provided you have good reflexes(5 med./1/1) that's when having 2'9k crit comes in handy he can't 1bang you so when taking the first hit->vigor+rally+shuffle->dodgerollspamm/stealth until full hp then turn around and nuke that little skeever with a Ulti z should have ready at that point

IlCanis_LupuslI

geonsocal wrote: »

Luciferazazell wrote: »

i much more prefer being in the action not far into the distance shooting fireballs and waving a staff but who knows whatever works.

I was using heavy armor for some time but my understanding of it atleast from the laughter of some players in game after mentioning i had heavy armor with my stamina build is that heavy is for tanks and for stamina builds you want to go medium armor

I pvp to relax...it's a lot of the same, but, just a little different each time...

I enjoy large scale AvAvA...not always easy to find - but, when you do you can have fun for a good while playing off your allies (what a joy when you start recognizing who the healers are ) and fighting a variety of opponents...

that means a lot of consistent incoming damage...

a lot of times in big zergy battles it will turn to 1v1...

use 10 characters, all different races, mag/stam versions in each class...

some characters are more challenging to play than others...

there are some very useful up close fights skills for a dragonknight...

for myself it's more relaxing if I have at least 30k health (40k is definitely better), at least 2k in crit resistances and as close to 20k spell & weapon damage resistance as I can...

getting there with my sorcerers and nightblades is a challenge - I'm more focused on trying to stay mobile and burst folks down...

i try to keep up whatever resistence buff i can (for my dk's I use hardened armor) whenever in combat...

your mundus stone, attribute points, set choice, glyphs, champion points, potions can all help you find damage...

spend some time going through eso armor sets, you can pick and choose whatever you think might work best, and, try to acquire it...

staying geared for pvp can get very expensive, as you evolve your gear will change...

Edit: I remember a couple of months after joining the forums preaching to my buddy how he should be wearing medium or light armor on some of his characters...

he said he preferred wearing heavy in pvp - he was right...the more experience in pvp you have you can start experimenting with different weight armors...

especially if you wanna play up close and personal - turtle up man, turtle up

Face palm--> what does a dps in PvP need 30k hp for??? Unless u r a tank trolling 10+ players 23-25k is more then enough provided you have enough crit resistance and you don't have 5 fps (that's what usually kills me )
Well that and mag dks :-D
Id, rather have 7k more stamina and 300 more stam rec/wd then 30k hp

geonsocal

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

geonsocal wrote: »

Luciferazazell wrote: »

i much more prefer being in the action not far into the distance shooting fireballs and waving a staff but who knows whatever works.

I was using heavy armor for some time but my understanding of it atleast from the laughter of some players in game after mentioning i had heavy armor with my stamina build is that heavy is for tanks and for stamina builds you want to go medium armor

I pvp to relax...it's a lot of the same, but, just a little different each time...

I enjoy large scale AvAvA...not always easy to find - but, when you do you can have fun for a good while playing off your allies (what a joy when you start recognizing who the healers are ) and fighting a variety of opponents...

that means a lot of consistent incoming damage...

a lot of times in big zergy battles it will turn to 1v1...

use 10 characters, all different races, mag/stam versions in each class...

some characters are more challenging to play than others...

there are some very useful up close fights skills for a dragonknight...

for myself it's more relaxing if I have at least 30k health (40k is definitely better), at least 2k in crit resistances and as close to 20k spell & weapon damage resistance as I can...

getting there with my sorcerers and nightblades is a challenge - I'm more focused on trying to stay mobile and burst folks down...

i try to keep up whatever resistence buff i can (for my dk's I use hardened armor) whenever in combat...

your mundus stone, attribute points, set choice, glyphs, champion points, potions can all help you find damage...

spend some time going through eso armor sets, you can pick and choose whatever you think might work best, and, try to acquire it...

staying geared for pvp can get very expensive, as you evolve your gear will change...

Edit: I remember a couple of months after joining the forums preaching to my buddy how he should be wearing medium or light armor on some of his characters...

he said he preferred wearing heavy in pvp - he was right...the more experience in pvp you have you can start experimenting with different weight armors...

especially if you wanna play up close and personal - turtle up man, turtle up

Face palm--> what does a dps in PvP need 30k hp for??? Unless u r a tank trolling 10+ players 23-25k is more then enough provided you have enough crit resistance and you don't have 5 fps (that's what usually kills me )
Well that and mag dks :-D
Id, rather have 7k more stamina and 300 more stam rec/wd then 30k hp

despite all the roaming "bosses" and "trash mobs" - cyrodiil isn't a dungeon...

yes though, if the plan is to always group up and play with a healer, 25k is more than enough, heck - if you know what you're doing - 20k is enough...

particularly for a new pvper - best to focus on staying alive before going out to smash people...

KingMagaw

Duel, learn your build/play style. Don't join a zerg as you will learn nothing and have a crutch.

Once you can hold your own against solo players, then think about joining a group to add something other than light attacking one player when 10 of yous chase them down.

PvP is all about the zerg mentality now, little to no small scale left

THEDKEXPERIENCE

Steps to being good at PVP in order.

1 - Gear up and level up.
2 - Learn the meta
3 - Find a guild
4 - Play a ton
5 - Learn the weaknesses in the meta.
6 - Throw the meta away and theory craft nonsense for months on end.
7 - Leave the safety of your guild.
8 - Take all of the things you learned and become a solo Zerg surfer.
9 - Hate your life for doing steps 7 and 8.
10 - Improve dramatically due to steps 7 and 8.
11 - Kill everyone and everything after months of practice because you are now seeing in ESO zeros and ones.
12 - Run into someone who is still better than you that makes you feel very small despite the fact that you ran through 30 noobs on the way to your death.
13 - Repeat or quit.

geonsocal

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

Steps to being good at PVP in order.

1 - Gear up and level up.
2 - Learn the meta
3 - Find a guild
4 - Play a ton
5 - Learn the weaknesses in the meta.
6 - Throw the meta away and theory craft nonsense for months on end.
7 - Leave the safety of your guild.
8 - Take all of the things you learned and become a solo Zerg surfer.
9 - Hate your life for doing steps 7 and 8.
10 - Improve dramatically due to steps 7 and 8.
11 - Kill everyone and everything after months of practice because you are now seeing in ESO zeros and ones.
12 - Run into someone who is still better than you that makes you feel very small despite the fact that you ran through 30 noobs on the way to your death.
13 - Repeat or quit.

that's the truth of it there...

Fexelea, a forum community member, has a website that is absolutely crucial to read and absorb if you'd like to be successful in pvp...plus, if you're hooked on eso - great way to dig deeper in to the game...

you can watch videos, ask questions and receive feedback - but, it's definitely worthwhile (and fun) to put some time into going over gear sets:
http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Heavy+Armor+Sets

and class/weapon skills:
http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Dragon+Knight

after that it really comes down to:
4 - Play a ton

you have a good starting point:
So im at level 50 and 384 champion points
Atributes i have 50 to stamina 10 to health and 4 to magika most stamina builds recomend putting most of the atribute points to stamina so i did
My armor was crafted medium armor deadric with traits and all stamina enchantments on all of it and i use max materials 130, 150 rubedo
Weapon swaps between 2 handed and bow
Skills on both weapons are all unlock including passives
Ardent flame everything unlocked
Draconic power everything unlocked
Earthen heart eveeything unlocked
Dark elf skills everything unlocked
Medium armor skills everything unlocked
Assault and support im at level 6 in both and working on it

sure, you "should" be playing a magicka vampire dragonknight as a dunmer...however, you can still stay alive, kill other folks, and, have fun going with what you have...a 2H and bow setup is a blast...

2H: talons, rally, uppercut, evasion, critical charge and magma armor
bow: molten weapons, vigor, poison arrow, spiked armor, snipe and dragon leap

is a really basic pvp rotation set up...as long as you can block, roll dodge and stay out of the red circles - you'll do just fine...

i played a breton stamblade for about a year before i got him on the right track as a magblade...i spent a lot of time hiding ( ), but - was still able to have fun in cyrodiil...

NBrookus

Luciferazazell wrote: »

Maybe even trying a magica build with my dark elf though i much more prefer being in the action not far into the distance shooting fireballs and waving a staff but who knows whatever works. I was using heavy armor for some time but my understanding of it atleast from the laughter of some players in game after mentioning i had heavy armor with my stamina build is that heavy is for tanks and for stamina builds you want to go medium armor

This is 100% not how you magDK in PvP. That's how you magDK in PVE. MagDK is completely melee. You may want to check out some YouTube vids to see if the playstyle looks like fun to you.

If you want to play stamina, Dunmer isn't a bad race. It's not like you are Breton or something. But Dunmer is BiS for magDK if you want to switch. An appropriate race helps but it's not going to make or break you; once you are more comfortable and settled you may want to race change at that point but I wouldn't worry for now.

DK in general is a difficult class to play in PVP right now. Mobility and burst are king and DK suffers in regard to both compared to many other classes. Unlike PVE, think in terms of timed burst and positioning. Steady DPS, even if high, if not nearly as useful.

The first thing you need to decide is how you want to PvP. Starting with group play would be recommended; the bigger the group the more forgiving; the longer you stay alive the more you learn when you are new. If you want to run with a big group, the raid lead will have the most input into what function you fill. Even if you are a rapids monkey it will help you learn situational awareness and group dynamics.

If you are sure you want to solo or small scale, I would start with friendly duels and ask lots of questions. Duel your own class/spec for starters. Why did you die? How could you have prevented that? Wait... I won -- what did I do RIGHT?

Don't get upset about dying in PvP. Everyone does and there is a lot of stuff to learn before you stop feeling like an AP pinata.

Jade1986

You sound exactly like me a while back, until I discovered impen traits, and armor sets. Those 2 things are the absolutely most important thing in pvp atm, and since a while tbh.

Also, you dont want to spread out your CP too much, that was also my mistake and I was hitting like a slightly undercooked noodle.

On your first bar you want your attacks, on your second you want your buffs, and heals.

HOWEVER, no matter how much survivability you have , if you are in medium, you are super squishy, so sneaking is essential, regardless of if you are a DK , a sorc, warden, whatever. Try to use shuffle and something with a minor evasion buff. Absolutely. Critical. Invest in glyphs of weapon or spell damage for your jewelry. Race matters a LOT in pvp.I am not the queen of pvp or anything, bu those are some basics that if ignored will make you have a not so good time in cyro. Also, as a medium armor wearer, you should invest, hell as anyone, you should invest in the thieves guild line that decreases sneak cost.

Jade1986

Sixty5 wrote: »

If you are in medium on a DK you are probably doing it wrong.

DK does really well when they can sponge hits and charge up an ult.
Dizzying Swing into Leap followed with Reverse Slice will pretty much instagib anything that isn't a dedicated tank.

As far as gear traits go, you want at least 4 impen, and preferably more. Mitigating crits reduces enemy damage by a lot.

There's a lot more, and the easiest way to learn it is probably to watch some good DKs on youtube and see how they play.
Though I will add, if you are playing in the CP campaign you will also be at a huge disadvantage since you are 300 points away from cap. Learn to play in non-cp first and when you hit 500 or so move back to CP

Stam dk works really well actually in medium. Shuffle and somethng with minor evade gives you good survivability.

geonsocal

how to play a dk in pvp:




i spend way too much time on these forums - every once in a while though i'll read something - and things will really click for me...

was in a mag dk discussion on a thread wherein i mentioned staying mobile and using elusive mist a bunch...someone jokingly replied - dragonknights don't run, they stand and fight...

pretty innocuous statement - however, it really clicked with me - i really did want to stand and fight with folks...changed up my gear and skills and now stay in the thick of things which i enjoy with this particular character...

used the same sort of mindset for retooling my stam dk...