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Frags don't stun?This even real?
MonoAlv96
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So I started reading the patch notes and found crystal frags are not stunning anymore.Wtf is even that? The only *** sorc stun that is predictable as *** has been taken away?I have to use DoS now to stun people?
This is hilarious, what do I need to do now with my sorc to kill? As a DW I only have 3 *** abilities to burst, 1 has been totally taken away.Rip Sorc cuz of some [snip] that need to l2p against a sorc, what else do you need than my *** hands glowing purple and curse about to proc on you to roll dodge or block?L0L
Meanwhile im getting sniped glitched by the same people over and over, stamblades one shooting me on my heavy armor mag dk from 100-0 with no reaction possibility.
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Edited by ZOS_GregoryV on October 26, 2017 8:46PM This is hilarious, what do I need to do now with my sorc to kill? As a DW I only have 3 *** abilities to burst, 1 has been totally taken away.Rip Sorc cuz of some [snip] that need to l2p against a sorc, what else do you need than my *** hands glowing purple and curse about to proc on you to roll dodge or block?L0L
Meanwhile im getting sniped glitched by the same people over and over, stamblades one shooting me on my heavy armor mag dk from 100-0 with no reaction possibility.
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killimandrosb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭if youre getting killed by snipe these days...I dont really know...I play a sorc too and with my shield(s) up theres no way a snipe plus poison injection with a HA will doen me. Its inconvenient, obviously, but nothing more. Snipe kills me if in combination with other players abilities, not that combo itself. And, a ranged instant stun with a good damage was close to op tbh. I think its correct. Now if you read the notes youd probably also have seen HA is being nerfed...Edited by killimandrosb16_ESO on October 23, 2017 12:31PM4
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MonoAlv96✭✭killimandrosb16_ESO wrote: »if youre getting killed by snipe these days...I dont really know...I play a sorc too and with my shield(s) up theres no way a snipe plus poison injection with a HA will doen me. Its inconvenient, obviously, but nothing more. Snipe kills me if in combination with other players abilities, not that combo itself
Snipe glitch, 6 snipes falling at once while you are on a fight or riding your mount.Can you read?
Its obvious im not getting killed when walking with my shields up.0 -
Turelus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭This has been something we've known for a couple of weeks.
Now you choose the cast/aoe/stun when making the morph choice rather than one morph fits all.@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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Biro123✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Plenty of threads on this in the PTS section.Minalan owes me a beer.
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killimandrosb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭killimandrosb16_ESO wrote: »if youre getting killed by snipe these days...I dont really know...I play a sorc too and with my shield(s) up theres no way a snipe plus poison injection with a HA will doen me. Its inconvenient, obviously, but nothing more. Snipe kills me if in combination with other players abilities, not that combo itself
Snipe glitch, 6 snipes falling at once while you are on a fight or riding your mount.Can you read?
Its obvious im not getting killed when walking with my shields up.
I was assuming you meant in combat. My bad. Getting ambushed on a horse is very annoying but fortunately part of the risk and reward game. Leave stealthed gankers as they are, now when these NB use SB and HA, I find that more troublesome hehe0 -
Unfadingsilence✭✭✭✭✭
✭killimandrosb16_ESO wrote: »killimandrosb16_ESO wrote: »if youre getting killed by snipe these days...I dont really know...I play a sorc too and with my shield(s) up theres no way a snipe plus poison injection with a HA will doen me. Its inconvenient, obviously, but nothing more. Snipe kills me if in combination with other players abilities, not that combo itself
Snipe glitch, 6 snipes falling at once while you are on a fight or riding your mount.Can you read?
Its obvious im not getting killed when walking with my shields up.
I was assuming you meant in combat. My bad. Getting ambushed on a horse is very annoying but fortunately part of the risk and reward game. Leave stealthed gankers as they are, now when these NB use SB and HA, I find that more troublesome hehe
The snipe glitch plus lag is real in this clip of mine
I get so sad when sone one kills me like this
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Neloth✭✭✭✭Actually sorcs are buffed in my opinion, especially DW ones
The reason is rune cage change - now you can go curse - meteor - cage - frags - fury without reasonable counterplay for very nice burst.
Not sure about destro sorcs, since it can be hard to fit rune cage on your bars3 -
RinaldoGandolphi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭The change to Frags was a terrible change.
I have shelved my Sorc over it.These kinda changes just continue to decrease my time playing the game.
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budrow✭✭✭When I’m ganked on my sorc, what I do is respawn and head back, go stealth near where it happened (nice being vampire), pop a detect, once I find that *** head, (surge-inner light-frag-fury cause I want a refund) the same result. Not all ganks are stamblades.l PaleAle l0 -
AverageJo3Gam3r✭✭✭✭✭@Neloth is correct. As a long time mdk, sorcs will stop complaining quickly after they realize how good an undodgable, unblockable cc is. Sorcs got a HUGE buff this patch. People just don't like change5 -
DeadlyRecluse✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭This is one of those changes that doesn't gut the class, doesn't really affect balance *that* much, but just seems pointless. And it neuters an ability that has been pretty iconic for a class since the game's launch. Just odd, imo.Thrice Empress, Forever Scrub4 -
Betsararie✭✭✭✭✭
✭Needless to say nerfing one of the most easily dodged skills in the game on a class that was middle of the road to begin with was not a smart idea. Nerfing the burst of a class who just doesn't have good burst to begin with just doesn't make sense.
Unbelievable what ZOS continues to do to their own game. Just the worst decisions.10 -
SodanTok✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Needless to say nerfing one of the most easily dodged skills in the game on a class that was middle of the road to begin with was not a smart idea. Nerfing the burst of a class who just doesn't have good burst to begin with just doesn't make sense.
Unbelievable what ZOS continues to do to their own game. Just the worst decisions.
doesn't have good burst to begin with? LOL6 -
Betsararie✭✭✭✭✭
✭Needless to say nerfing one of the most easily dodged skills in the game on a class that was middle of the road to begin with was not a smart idea. Nerfing the burst of a class who just doesn't have good burst to begin with just doesn't make sense.
Unbelievable what ZOS continues to do to their own game. Just the worst decisions.
doesn't have good burst to begin with? LOL
Have you heard of stam warden or stam nightblade?1 -
SodanTok✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Needless to say nerfing one of the most easily dodged skills in the game on a class that was middle of the road to begin with was not a smart idea. Nerfing the burst of a class who just doesn't have good burst to begin with just doesn't make sense.
Unbelievable what ZOS continues to do to their own game. Just the worst decisions.
doesn't have good burst to begin with? LOL
Have you heard of stam warden or stam nightblade?
I did. Does their high burst somehow invalidates high burst of sorc?3 -
Betsararie✭✭✭✭✭
✭Needless to say nerfing one of the most easily dodged skills in the game on a class that was middle of the road to begin with was not a smart idea. Nerfing the burst of a class who just doesn't have good burst to begin with just doesn't make sense.
Unbelievable what ZOS continues to do to their own game. Just the worst decisions.
doesn't have good burst to begin with? LOL
Have you heard of stam warden or stam nightblade?
I did. Does their high burst somehow invalidates high burst of sorc?
Their burst is so much higher than sorc that sorcs burst is not considered that good. You can't even compare mag sorc to stam warden or stam nightblade in terms of burst. It's like comparing a ping pong paddle to a machine gun.
Sorc can really excel in group play because they can fight from a distance and just throw frags, wrath, and curse into groups and just dessimate players. But strictly comparing the burst of mag sorc to the top stam classes there is no comparison. It's decent, but nowhere near the top. Middle of the road in terms of burst.4 -
SodanTok✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Needless to say nerfing one of the most easily dodged skills in the game on a class that was middle of the road to begin with was not a smart idea. Nerfing the burst of a class who just doesn't have good burst to begin with just doesn't make sense.
Unbelievable what ZOS continues to do to their own game. Just the worst decisions.
doesn't have good burst to begin with? LOL
Have you heard of stam warden or stam nightblade?
I did. Does their high burst somehow invalidates high burst of sorc?
Their burst is so much higher than sorc that sorcs burst is not considered that good. You can't even compare mag sorc to stam warden or stam nightblade in terms of burst. It's like comparing a ping pong paddle to a machine gun.
Sorc can really excel in group play because they can fight from a distance and just throw frags, wrath, and curse into groups and just dessimate players. But strictly comparing the burst of mag sorc to the top stam classes there is no comparison. It's decent, but nowhere near the top. Middle of the road in terms of burst.
I will repeat myself: LOL6 -
Betsararie✭✭✭✭✭
✭Needless to say nerfing one of the most easily dodged skills in the game on a class that was middle of the road to begin with was not a smart idea. Nerfing the burst of a class who just doesn't have good burst to begin with just doesn't make sense.
Unbelievable what ZOS continues to do to their own game. Just the worst decisions.
doesn't have good burst to begin with? LOL
Have you heard of stam warden or stam nightblade?
I did. Does their high burst somehow invalidates high burst of sorc?
Their burst is so much higher than sorc that sorcs burst is not considered that good. You can't even compare mag sorc to stam warden or stam nightblade in terms of burst. It's like comparing a ping pong paddle to a machine gun.
Sorc can really excel in group play because they can fight from a distance and just throw frags, wrath, and curse into groups and just dessimate players. But strictly comparing the burst of mag sorc to the top stam classes there is no comparison. It's decent, but nowhere near the top. Middle of the road in terms of burst.
I will repeat myself: LOL
thats fine thats just all you can offer to the discussion.
Logical argument consists of: LOL
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Malic✭✭✭✭✭
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I'll speak to your cabin stewart and make sure going forward there are functional life jackets accessible as the cry babies will inevitably find something else to whine about.
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ak_pvp✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Needless to say nerfing one of the most easily dodged skills in the game on a class that was middle of the road to begin with was not a smart idea. Nerfing the burst of a class who just doesn't have good burst to begin with just doesn't make sense.
Unbelievable what ZOS continues to do to their own game. Just the worst decisions.
doesn't have good burst to begin with? LOL
Have you heard of stam warden or stam nightblade?
I did. Does their high burst somehow invalidates high burst of sorc?
Their burst is so much higher than sorc that sorcs burst is not considered that good. You can't even compare mag sorc to stam warden or stam nightblade in terms of burst. It's like comparing a ping pong paddle to a machine gun.
Sorc can really excel in group play because they can fight from a distance and just throw frags, wrath, and curse into groups and just dessimate players. But strictly comparing the burst of mag sorc to the top stam classes there is no comparison. It's decent, but nowhere near the top. Middle of the road in terms of burst.
The sorc burst is lower than a warden burst, because warden has aoe and unblockable sub. NB is very much comparable, though sorc requires a slight bit of timing.
Sorc are not mid road. Warden x2>StamDK tank>magsorc>rest.
Should Frags cc have been removed? No. Is sorc now crap, hell no. You now have an expensive but very strong unblockable/dodgable stun. Roots, top mobility, one of the best defenses and good damage.
One idea I have heard is to ditch pulse and slot Rune. Forcing players to eat the whole burst. Stronger, but unfortunately it ends up with sorc being an even more bland cookie cutter setup. (Hence why the Frags stun shouldn't be removed.)Edited by ak_pvp on October 24, 2017 5:18AMMagDK main. PC/EU @AK-ESO
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Betsararie✭✭✭✭✭
✭Needless to say nerfing one of the most easily dodged skills in the game on a class that was middle of the road to begin with was not a smart idea. Nerfing the burst of a class who just doesn't have good burst to begin with just doesn't make sense.
Unbelievable what ZOS continues to do to their own game. Just the worst decisions.
doesn't have good burst to begin with? LOL
Have you heard of stam warden or stam nightblade?
I did. Does their high burst somehow invalidates high burst of sorc?
Their burst is so much higher than sorc that sorcs burst is not considered that good. You can't even compare mag sorc to stam warden or stam nightblade in terms of burst. It's like comparing a ping pong paddle to a machine gun.
Sorc can really excel in group play because they can fight from a distance and just throw frags, wrath, and curse into groups and just dessimate players. But strictly comparing the burst of mag sorc to the top stam classes there is no comparison. It's decent, but nowhere near the top. Middle of the road in terms of burst.
The sorc burst is lower than a warden burst, because warden has aoe and unblockable sub. NB is very much comparable, though sorc requires a slight bit of timing.
Sorc are not mid road. Warden x2>StamDK tank>magsorc>rest.
Should Frags cc have been removed? No. Is sorc now crap, hell no. You now have an expensive but very strong unblockable/dodgable stun. Roots, top mobility, one of the best defenses and good damage.
One idea I have heard is to ditch pulse and slot Rune. Forcing players to eat the whole burst. Stronger, but unfortunately it ends up with sorc being an even more bland cookie cutter setup. (Hence why the Frags stun shouldn't be removed.)
You act like there's so many classes. There's only 5
They're definitely middle of the road in terms of burst when taking into account all classes mag/stam.
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Derra✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭This has been something we've known for a couple of weeks.
Now you choose the cast/aoe/stun when making the morph choice rather than one morph fits all.
Wanna bet 100€ nobody is gonna "choose" casttime + stun over frags for pvp?
Just because they made one morph less useful does not make the unusable choice an option. If you use blast you gonna die.<Noricum>
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anathosdm✭✭✭Sorcs actually got buffed with rune. U can now time ur cc for a bigger burst ( ult etc ).
Furthermore sorc is still the first or second best spec for 1vX and still has the best mobility, great sustain and survability ( streak/dark conversion/shields )Edited by anathosdm on October 24, 2017 6:32AM2 -
Derra✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Sorcs actually got buffed with rune. U can now time ur cc for a bigger burst ( ult etc ).
Furthermore sorc is still the first or second best spec for 1vX and still has the best mobility, great sustain and survability ( streak/dark conversion/shields )
Not sure if it´s a buff yet.
You´re inevitably loosing dmg or utility with rune while at the same time needing 1 gcd more to complete your burst combo. On top of that rune is expensive as ****.
I couldn´t sustain fighting with it running a setup with 2200 magrec + lich.<Noricum>
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Beardimus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Aye, more playstyle changing nerfs for Sorc yet again.
Maybe the NerfSorc threads will all STFU now?Xbox One | EU | EP
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Biro123✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Aye, more playstyle changing nerfs for Sorc yet again.
Maybe the NerfSorc threads will all STFU now?
Maybe....Sorcs actually got buffed with rune. U can now time ur cc for a bigger burst ( ult etc ).
Furthermore sorc is still the first or second best spec for 1vX and still has the best mobility, great sustain and survability ( streak/dark conversion/shields )
er, no. Probably not..
Even when sorcs have to run away from every single fight cos they can't win any of them, the nerf threads will still flow - cus mobility..
Edited by Biro123 on October 24, 2017 9:39AMMinalan owes me a beer.
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Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Sorcs actually got buffed with rune. U can now time ur cc for a bigger burst ( ult etc ).
Furthermore sorc is still the first or second best spec for 1vX and still has the best mobility, great sustain and survability ( streak/dark conversion/shields )
Not sure if it´s a buff yet.
You´re inevitably loosing dmg or utility with rune while at the same time needing 1 gcd more to complete your burst combo. On top of that rune is expensive as ****.
I couldn´t sustain fighting with it running a setup with 2200 magrec + lich.
Or you just stun with streak or destructive reach as part or your combo. Far better to be able to time your stun and throw your frags freely imo also means that frags don't get a dmg nerf because they did too much as a skill.
I'd say it's a win personally.@Solar_Breeze
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Biro123✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »Sorcs actually got buffed with rune. U can now time ur cc for a bigger burst ( ult etc ).
Furthermore sorc is still the first or second best spec for 1vX and still has the best mobility, great sustain and survability ( streak/dark conversion/shields )
Not sure if it´s a buff yet.
You´re inevitably loosing dmg or utility with rune while at the same time needing 1 gcd more to complete your burst combo. On top of that rune is expensive as ****.
I couldn´t sustain fighting with it running a setup with 2200 magrec + lich.
Or you just stun with streak or destructive reach as part or your combo. Far better to be able to time your stun and throw your frags freely imo also means that frags don't get a dmg nerf because they did too much as a skill.
I'd say it's a win personally.
TO have a stun, you now need an extra bar-slot - which is a nerf any way you look at it.
I really don't like streak for the stun.. To use offensively, its a VERY short duration and leaves you facing the wrong way to quickly deliver follow-up attacks. And in many cases you don't wan to to be moving closer to your opponents.. You often want a defensive stun too - which streak cannot fulfil on its own - so you'd need another slot anyway..
Reach over rune-prison? Well, either needs an extra slot. imho, if the focus is gonna be on that burst rather sustained, may be better to drop CS, and go DW, using prison for the undodgeable cc (much more reliable than reach imo).
Yeah, I guess my brief foray into staff-sorc is at an end and its back to good old DW - but will have to do without pets tho.. no room for rune-prison AND pets..
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Derra✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »Sorcs actually got buffed with rune. U can now time ur cc for a bigger burst ( ult etc ).
Furthermore sorc is still the first or second best spec for 1vX and still has the best mobility, great sustain and survability ( streak/dark conversion/shields )
Not sure if it´s a buff yet.
You´re inevitably loosing dmg or utility with rune while at the same time needing 1 gcd more to complete your burst combo. On top of that rune is expensive as ****.
I couldn´t sustain fighting with it running a setup with 2200 magrec + lich.
Or you just stun with streak or destructive reach as part or your combo. Far better to be able to time your stun and throw your frags freely imo also means that frags don't get a dmg nerf because they did too much as a skill.
I'd say it's a win personally.
Falls directly under the utility category both.
Reach either replaces shock with masters staff => less gear utility
streak comes at the cost of bol => utility nerf<Noricum>
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