Stam-gank-blade... what now?

Narvuntien

So my build is dead next patch... i thought I was safe because I never used procs... I guess I was wrong.

I don't really know what to do now....

Current build
Clever alchemist + Strenght of automation.

2h Bar 1: Ambush, Flex, Supprise attack, Executioner, Rally, Onslaught
Bow Bar 2: Relentless focus, magelight, Cloak, Focused Aim, Vigor, Flawless dawnbreaker.

Flex: mass hysteria or shuffle or mark target

I cannot fight "fair" because I have 350 to +999 ping, i typically have very little time after engaging before I lag out. I enjoyed killing, roll doding and sprinting away.

Man siege?, rezz bot?, delete character?, go play PVE?

Waffennacht

If the problem is lag, I don't know how'd you fair better doing anything.

Anyway you can like start the gank and activate alchemist while still getting the DMG buff?

I know snipe has a travel time, can you activate snipe which enters combat and hit clever before it lands?

Narvuntien

Waffennacht wrote: »

If the problem is lag, I don't know how'd you fair better doing anything.

Anyway you can like start the gank and activate alchemist while still getting the DMG buff?

I know snipe has a travel time, can you activate snipe which enters combat and hit clever before it lands?

Lag is too high.. I have a hard time getting the cloak to work a lot of the time... I really only have time for one action after snipe.

ability - lag- ability- lag- ability.

I basically play under a strobelight.

Lexxypwns

Sub clever alchemist for archers mind. It's more damage anyway.

"This is a buff if you've been incorrectly using alchemist for your build"

http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Archer's+Mind+Set

Also, move vigor to 2h bar so you can get a passive bonus from your flex spot, mark will add crit, evil hunter gives you major savagery and weapon damage

Jake1576

They have been trying to kill the ganking play style for the few last patches eventually I wouldn't doubt if they take stealth completely out of the game I've played clever alchemist ever since it was released on my stamina nb now I'm forced to try and find another set to use just cause the people that work on this game don't know what they are doing I would just suggest doing like I am either quite for awhile until the meta of tanks pass or just join the meta and stop playing a medium armor stamina nb and become a tank of sorts with a perma block build

Lexxypwns

Jake1576 wrote: »

They have been trying to kill the ganking play style for the few last patches eventually I wouldn't doubt if they take stealth completely out of the game I've played clever alchemist ever since it was released on my stamina nb now I'm forced to try and find another set to use just cause the idiots that work on this game don't know what they are doing I would just suggest doing like I am either quite for awhile until the meta of tanks pass or just join the meta and stop playing a medium armor stamina nb and become a tank of sorts with a perma block build

Swap alchemist for archers mind, watch your gank damage improve

Jake1576

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Jake1576 wrote: »

They have been trying to kill the ganking play style for the few last patches eventually I wouldn't doubt if they take stealth completely out of the game I've played clever alchemist ever since it was released on my stamina nb now I'm forced to try and find another set to use just cause the idiots that work on this game don't know what they are doing I would just suggest doing like I am either quite for awhile until the meta of tanks pass or just join the meta and stop playing a medium armor stamina nb and become a tank of sorts with a perma block build

Swap alchemist for archers mind, watch your gank damage improve

Thanks for the suggestion I'll have to give it a try

Narvuntien

I have seen you mention that before I have considered it.. but now I have to do DSA :S.

I want to use poision injection on my back bar (although its not buffed by SotA) so I think that replaces Vigor.. I might cut Vigor completely and rely on Rally for heals, or just roll dodging and running away (which is quite effective).

SirAndy

Narvuntien wrote: »

So my build is dead next patch...

At least you'll be able to kill yourself properly now, no need for other players to get involved ...

Nemeliom

Ganking Archer are still useless on pc, at least until Miat's addon is deleted.

Arantesovelha

Im using automaton+ hundings rage and I thinks it's a good combination...

I will try the new set( Innate Axiom) with automaton because I use DW( an assassin with a BIG SWORD it's weird to me hahaha) and almost all my skill is from my class


Oh, I'm playing with this ping too, and I know you pain bro...

@edit.
Where I find archers mind set? Only in DSA(Im not a huge fan of trials )?

Narvuntien

I only just realised I can buy archer's mind... I am kind of confused why its not bind on pick up.

So I did a bunch of testing on the PTS during matienance, super annoyingly I can't get archer's mind on the PTS. So i couldn't test it... I eventually managed to obtain a set of Morag Tong (by making alts, getting AP and using it on boxes in PVP , transmuting the traits) but i couldn''t get any MT jewerely to test with Hundings rage.

I didn't bother to transmute the precise weapons you get with the sets instead I just made precise hundings rage (and the correct trait weapons) weapons to match.

I didn't use CP since I have more CP on the PTS than I do on live... didn't bother with food.

Hundings rage + Strenght of Automation. Onslaught: 34307. Focused Aim: 17211
Hundings rage + Unfathomable darkness (4 pc). Onslaught: 29703. FA:16162
Hundings rage + Spriggans. O: 32163 FA: 17910
Spriggans + Strenght of Automation. O: 32477 FA:18519
Unfathomable darkness + Strenght of Automation. O: 32224 FA: 17194

Unfathomable darkness (4pc) + Hundings rage + Selenes. Onslaught + Selenes: 29383.
Its actually higher damage over a longer amount of time I don't have addons to know things exactly unfortunately . But Selenes is annoying because its only melee damage and I don't have the DLC for Velidreth.

If I put in CP and use Tri food then HR and SotA gets an Onslaught of 52869... which is 2-3K less than before CWC with Clever Alchemist... but wow CP makes a huge difference.

Focused Aim is unsupprisingly strongest with Spriggans and SotA at 28046 with CP and Food.

I can't really test Morag tong the same way.. but with CP and food.
MT + Spriggans onslaught was 45804
MT + UD Onslaught was 46540.

I can't really compare its damage with single skills since it has an over time poison damage buff I am not using.

Nergh I think I could probably do these tests a lot better, particularly if I had addons for this, but trying to determine burst is harder than DPS parses.

Narvuntien

Okay on live tests, they are slightly awkward since I can't get all the same traits like I can on PTS. Fully buffed with CP.

Strenght of Automation + Hundings Rage.
Onslaught: 50 250 Focused Aim: 32 458
Strenght of Automation + Spriggans.
Onslaught: 49 189 Focused Aim: 34 495
Strenght of Automation + Archer's Mind.
Onslaught: 50 813 Focused Aim: 33 597

Okay Hundings rage has tri stat enchants on my helmet and gaurds (tri stat on automation chest) because my Hp is too low (Tri stat to get me to 17K not in cryodil)

Hundings rage greatsword is nirnhorned
Spriggans Greatsword is infused
Archer's Mind Greatsword is Defending (I got it for 240g and no infused for sale anywhere)

Considering how close these numbers are those differences are probably making the difference.

Archer's Mind the best alround option then, certainly a supprise for me. I thought for sure it would be Hundings. You have less resources though.

I still want to find a PVP tank wearing all Inpen and heavy for me to test the numbers on.

Arantesovelha

Dude, really thanks for the test.

Made my day

Narvuntien

I found someone with a ton of Crit resistance to duel.

Medium armor 5.2K crit resist, he said 70% crit resist. He was wearing 5 medium armor

Strenght of the automation + Archer's Mind: FA: 8841 Onslaught: 11200
SotA + Spriggans: FA: 8534
SotA + Hundings rage: Onslaught: 11600

The crit damage increase and the raw damage here is more important than penetration against high crit resist it seems.

I am a bit sad about how low these numbers are though .

Koensol

Narvuntien wrote: »

I found someone with a ton of Crit resistance to duel.

Medium armor 5.2K crit resist, he said 70% crit resist. He was wearing 5 medium armor

Strenght of the automation + Archer's Mind: FA: 8841 Onslaught: 11200
SotA + Spriggans: FA: 8534
SotA + Hundings rage: Onslaught: 11600

The crit damage increase and the raw damage here is more important than penetration against high crit resist it seems.

I am a bit sad about how low these numbers are though .

It is a completely unrealistic test. Most people in Cyro will be running around with an impen rate somewhere in between 1k and 2.5k. This test with 5.2k is a very rare occurence.

Croblasta

So I'm a bit confused, SotA > Hundings and pair that with MT or Archers Mind?

Narvuntien

Croblasta wrote: »

So I'm a bit confused, SotA > Hundings and pair that with MT or Archers Mind?

SotA > Hundings.. if... you are using all physical damage abilities. Which I am.. Hundings 5 pc gives 300 WD and SotA gives 400 WD.
Hundings gives its buff to all abilities including heals but SotA does not.

Never use SotA and MT. Only one or the other.

Judging how strong MT is, is really hard because it is always a 1-2 punch of Lethal arrow + Poison injection Rather than a single hit. Super annoyingly there is a lot more disease damage in the NB kit than poison. Perhaps it would be better on StamDK.

Archers Mind appears to give you the best numbers for a single hit. But it is very close for all the sets.

Narvuntien

Okay I after all this testing and collecting of gear i finally went into Cryodil.

I used the SotA + Hundings rage combo. Because I couldn't find some cheap Hakeijo to slap on my AM set I only just obtained to get my HP up to a reasonable level.

The tri stat enchants were really great, I never felt starved on magicka and the buff to my stam pool from using Hundings also feel really great.

Focused aim was hitting for about 10-11K on most targets, certainly for non heavy uses. I managed to two shot a couple of people that were fighting gaurds at resources (different people at differen times). First snipe stuns and the second kills.

Wholly hell I forgot how crippling the lag is in Cryo. I never managed to pull off an clean onslaught, I think I have to double bar cloak because I just can't bar swap mid combat. I think I had just the one good duel when someone tried to chase me, splitting off from the main group. I lost but I enjoyed it at least, without crippling lag like 80% of my fights.