Why Does Igneous Weapons Suck So Much?

Izaki

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

Omg.

So you dont pvp. You've played DK with a 2h(big deal), but you are so quick to talk crap.
Public forums at it's best.

you are such a cutie, you are the one that name called first, ie "Bs answer. U are a careless troll." i respond in kind and you get all huffy. typical whiny behavior.

Whatever makes you happy. Fact remains that DK is lagging behind and you and those like you don't get it. The "concept", that is.

"DK is lagging behind"

On average every good raid group runs 4 Stam DKs, aka 50% of the DPS in the raid. Why? Because they do the most DPS with the most brain-dead rotation. In PvP, they are more than fine.

When you say things like "DK is lagging behind other classes" its really hard to take you seriously in anything you say afterwards.

GeorgeBlack

Izaki wrote: »

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

Omg.

So you dont pvp. You've played DK with a 2h(big deal), but you are so quick to talk crap.
Public forums at it's best.

you are such a cutie, you are the one that name called first, ie "Bs answer. U are a careless troll." i respond in kind and you get all huffy. typical whiny behavior.

Whatever makes you happy. Fact remains that DK is lagging behind and you and those like you don't get it. The "concept", that is.

"DK is lagging behind"

On average every good raid group runs 4 Stam DKs, aka 50% of the DPS in the raid. Why? Because they do the most DPS with the most brain-dead rotation. In PvP, they are more than fine.

When you say things like "DK is lagging behind other classes" its really hard to take you seriously in anything you say afterwards.

Why bring in PvE when discussing balance??
Are you afraid that your guild will say "only stamDKs for dps, only templ healers and only DK tanks".
Is that it? Will you lose your spot to a stamDK?
Are you trying to get a higher score in trials even tho you farmed all the gear that you need, but those damn stamdk groups are always on top or the ladder?

Is PvE hard for you to complete with whatever class you are playing, even tho every dungeon has been nerfed? And you are angry at those brain dead DKs that clear overland without a sweat?

Why do you bring PvE into a balance discussion?

Yes dk is lagging in PvP unless we use 2h/SnB

GeorgeBlack

Talking about brain dead let me explain to you what you believe to be skill....
Magika... Eots... aoeaoeaoeaoe (no cd on skills... no brainer...) heal. Purge. Run up the stairs. Run down the stairs aoeaoeaoeaoeaoe run to back flag. Run to front flag. Aoeaoeaoeaoe. Can you even see who you are targeting my "organized guildie?"

Oh and where others need to roll dodge or combine mending and vigor or time that rally or get that distance to cloak away.. you must be shieldstacking. Is that right?

Qbiken

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

Talking about brain dead let me explain to you what you believe to be skill....
Magika... Eots... aoeaoeaoeaoe (no cd on skills... no brainer...) heal. Purge. Run up the stairs. Run down the stairs aoeaoeaoeaoeaoe run to back flag. Run to front flag. Aoeaoeaoeaoe. Can you even see who you are targeting my "organized guildie?"

Oh and where others need to roll dodge or combine mending and vigor or time that rally or get that distance to cloak away.. you must be shieldstacking. Is that right?

And this is why no one will ever take you seriously....

Feric51

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

Why bring in PvE when discussing balance??

Isn't PvE 50+% of gameplay for most people? When class changes affect PvE, you're affecting a huge chunk of the player base. That's why he brought it up.

Surak73

Strange. I was pretty sure that the second bonus of Igneus weapons was that it gives the buff to all the players nearby, and not only to the caster as with every other source of major brutality. Have they nerfed this recently?...

VaranisArano

Surak73 wrote: »

Strange. I was pretty sure that the second bonus of Igneus weapons was that it gives the buff to all the players nearby, and not only to the caster as with every other source of major brutality. Have they nerfed this recently?...

Igneous Weapons does grant both Major Brutality and Major Sorcery to the caster and nearby allies. This has not been nerfed.

However, the point of contention appears to be that Igneous Weapons is superior for group support but at the same time often redundant in trials due to commonly used potion effects, whereas Molten Armaments is superior for DPS with the heavy attack buff but doesn't give Major Brutality.

Personally I use Igneous Weapons because the majority of my play time on my MagDK is an a support player in a group. I'm either using Igneous Weapons to buff a group in a group dungeon (probably 50% of the time I'm not duplicating those buffs on other players in normal dungeons) or I'm using Igneous Weapons to buff players in an organized PVP raid so that they don't have to slot a skill or waste potions to get the buff.

Denyiir

ArchMikem wrote: »

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

Urza1234 wrote: »

Why is Igneous Weapons the only class source of Major Brutality that does nothing else for you, and is also the most expensive?

Because back in the day DK was so OP that the forums were full of salty whines about how and why almost every DK skill had to be nerfed; and ZOS has a long and proud history of listening to the whiners - especially PvP whiners.

All The Best

Same reason why sustain got nerfed with ability cost doubling, and how Proc damage no longer crits. Its always complaints from PvP...

Were proc sets game breaking in PvP? Yes.
Was proc sets nerf game breaking in PvE? No.
See the logic behind nerfing them now?
Also no f*** way sustain nerf is on pvp players.