Sentinel of Rkugamz Set feedback from healers

dawgyg99

Hi Guys,

I'm interested in using the above set for 4 man content in situations where the DDs and Tank are all stam. I usually run SPC and Worm Cult, but wanted to get feedback from people on if they thought it was worth running it for the extra stam generation?

Asardes

IMO it's no longer necessary to run this set on non-Templar after the change to orbs and shards in Morrowind patch: they now restore any of the resources, depending which one is lower. The spider is also pretty flimsy and dies easily in AoE. The 2% healing done it's already insignificant since you are already overhealing most of the time. It's way better to run 2 5 piece sets + 1 monster head or Master restoration front bar/Mealstrom lightning backbar.

Flameheart

Asardes wrote: »

IMO it's no longer necessary to run this set on non-Templar after the change to orbs and shards in Morrowind patch: they now restore any of the resources, depending which one is lower. The spider is also pretty flimsy and dies easily in AoE. The 2% healing done it's already insignificant since you are already overhealing most of the time. It's way better to run 2 5 piece sets + 1 monster head or Master restoration front bar/Mealstrom lightning backbar.

This. Nothing left to add for me.

LadyNalcarya

The problem with those "healing" monster sets is that its usually much more beneficial to use 2 5 piece sets and Master resto staff or 1 piece of monster set.
Would be nice to see something that offers group support/utility instead of small non-reliable heal. I like the idea of stamina support, but the pet isnt reliable, would be better if it worked like Master resto enchant.

P.S. I used to wear it sometimes back when Aether 5 pc was BiS for healers (5 pc SPC main bar+5 pc Aether main bar), but honestly, it doesnt add much and wasnt really worth it. But imo thats the only way to use it (with SPC resto), without giving up another 5 pc set. But it only works with those few sets that can be used on offbar (such as Aether, Master Architect, this kind of thing).

newtinmpls

I haven't tried it yet.

Just got my chokethorn pauldrons, but eventually I'll explore all the options.

eso_nya

Spider goes melee -> good thing, cause goes where the other melees should be, bad thing cause tends to die in fires.
Spider doesnt proc from overheal, only from "real" heal. u wont see it much w/ a good group.

I run it on magplar and magwarden in facetank builds, kinda nice as i can easily proc it w/ ror or la/ha w/ lotus, the little buddy stays with me and the extra-stam really helps as i only got 15k max.

Wouldnt run it on a healer tho. pre next patch, if u want to help 2 stam dds and the tank more, go w/ infused vdsa resto and 5 torugs, 5spc; mending is good aswell, as u reduce the dmg they take. post next patch, not sure if ill come up w/ a usefull glyph to put on dsa staff thats good enough to be an excuse for running torugs

Koensol

I agree with the above users it is no longer necessary, but I still love to use it on my NB healer. The extra healing done stacks nicely with the siphoning passive that increases healing done per siphoning ability slotted. And I like that I am providing extra support for stam dd. Orbs can be tricky to pick up and this set will restore stamina to your tank/dd without them having to do anything. And it provides yet another HoT on top of your other many HoTs as a NB healer. Which means you can focus more on doing damage and speeding up the run.

For trials I wouldn't use it, but I personally like it a lot in 4 man content (Also on templar healers). Because you can run a 5 piece set(I use SPC or Julianos), together with willpower jewelry, master/vMA weapons AND a full monster set. This way get the added spell damage from willpower and damage effects from vMA destro that will contribute to your dps in 4 mans, making it go faster, while at the same time providing good stam support with master resto and sentinel monster set. It feels like a more complete build to me than a 5-5-1 setup. And more fun as well.

Asardes

newtinmpls wrote: »

I haven't tried it yet.

Just got my chokethorn pauldrons, but eventually I'll explore all the options.

Chocklethorn is too random to be useful in serious content and it only heals for 20K over 4s. I can heal for 7K instantly with my combat prayer which I run anyway because it's just too good as group buff. If it crits It's a 10K heal for multiple players. Since the sustain and BoL nerfs I basically use that as burst heal. At least the 1p Chocklethorn is good. I use it on my Tank with 1 Shadowrend to stack magicka recovery.

Azurya

just read "overhealing", it is clear that healing needs to be NERFED soon!

Sotha_Sil

The behavior of the spider is too erratic for it to become interesting. You can trash this.

Asardes

Azurya wrote: »

just read "overhealing", it is clear that healing needs to be NERFED soon!

It does not, it already has by nerfing Blessed CP and Major Mending in Morrowind. It's just a play-style issue, as many healers spam heals instead of buffing the group. And there are situations where you really need to heal as much as possible since the DPS received by players from certain mechanics is so high (ex. vAA: Stone Atronach pounding, Valariel when you leave one ghost and Mage execute phase). There are also mechanics that sap resources and debuff healing (ex. the orbs in vCoS).

dawgyg99

Thanks for the great replies all.

I usually run two 5 piece and Skoria for the extra health bonus. It's a real shame there aren't more legit 2 piece monster sets for healers, really feel neglected in that respect

dawgyg99

Koensol wrote: »

I agree with the above users it is no longer necessary, but I still love to use it on my NB healer. The extra healing done stacks nicely with the siphoning passive that increases healing done per siphoning ability slotted. And I like that I am providing extra support for stam dd. Orbs can be tricky to pick up and this set will restore stamina to your tank/dd without them having to do anything. And it provides yet another HoT on top of your other many HoTs as a NB healer. Which means you can focus more on doing damage and speeding up the run.

For trials I wouldn't use it, but I personally like it a lot in 4 man content (Also on templar healers). Because you can run a 5 piece set(I use SPC or Julianos), together with willpower jewelry, master/vMA weapons AND a full monster set. This way get the added spell damage from willpower and damage effects from vMA destro that will contribute to your dps in 4 mans, making it go faster, while at the same time providing good stam support with master resto and sentinel monster set. It feels like a more complete build to me than a 5-5-1 setup. And more fun as well.

Yeah I may give it a bit more of a go with SPC + Willpower

Asardes

dawgyg99 wrote: »

Thanks for the great replies all.

I usually run two 5 piece and Skoria for the extra health bonus. It's a real shame there aren't more legit 2 piece monster sets for healers, really feel neglected in that respect

Since they removed the crit from them most monster sets are only good as 1p for magicka DDs too. For example if you check the top parsing builds they are invariably 5 Julianos/Nectch 5 Infallible Aether/Moondancer 1 Iceheart/Kena almost regardless of class.

xSkullfox

Simple use math to get the healing/damage from 2% 4% 6%... and think again. Thats my default answer if someone ask me about these % bonuses on sets.

Girl_Number8

Azurya wrote: »

just read "overhealing", it is clear that healing needs to be NERFED soon!

It is clear that incap, soul assault, poison inj, need to be NERFED soon!. Plp over do all these.

Girl_Number8

Asardes wrote: »

Azurya wrote: »

just read "overhealing", it is clear that healing needs to be NERFED soon!

It does not, it already has by nerfing Blessed CP and Major Mending in Morrowind. It's just a play-style issue, as many healers spam heals instead of buffing the group. And there are situations where you really need to heal as much as possible since the DPS received by players from certain mechanics is so high (ex. vAA: Stone Atronach pounding, Valariel when you leave one ghost and Mage execute phase). There are also mechanics that sap resources and debuff healing (ex. the orbs in vCoS).

Yes this! Especially when you have squishy squishies standing in the red expecting to have a no death run while burning a boss down.

I am really getting tired of the snowflakes blaming all the support classes for their woes.

Girl_Number8

I think add in something to give u more resources. That way you can provide more buffs and protect your tempy

Though try it Op!! It might be a change of pace, or lead you to something else that's different and works for you. Maybe a new build.

Kneighbors

Put Powerful Assault togeter with SPC and spam vigor every 8 seconds. 400 spell/weapon damage injection can't go wrong.

All the resources sets are good only for novice healers or dd's who struggle to do the job with their build. You need to throw shards at tank often and always apply magicka drain, this is the maximum resources you need.

Thata for 4 man, things are different in 12

Asardes

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

Azurya wrote: »

just read "overhealing", it is clear that healing needs to be NERFED soon!

It does not, it already has by nerfing Blessed CP and Major Mending in Morrowind. It's just a play-style issue, as many healers spam heals instead of buffing the group. And there are situations where you really need to heal as much as possible since the DPS received by players from certain mechanics is so high (ex. vAA: Stone Atronach pounding, Valariel when you leave one ghost and Mage execute phase). There are also mechanics that sap resources and debuff healing (ex. the orbs in vCoS).

Yes this! Especially when you have squishy squishies standing in the red expecting to have a no death run while burning a boss down.

I am really getting tired of the snowflakes blaming all the support classes for their woes.

I'm not talking about avoidable things. For the most part HoTs should keep people alive and healer should focus more on supporting. In 4 man content if the group is good you can basically bring another DPS with some off-heals and finish faster. There are only a few instances in vet HM DLC dungeons where you need to throw everything into healing. BiS gear and group customization is only necessary to do veteran trials for score, and do the vet DLC ones which are harder. There you can really see what is BiS and what is not. As a result there's no reason to farm stuff intensively unless it's BiS for that kind of content.

Any monster set that gives you magicka recovery/maximum magicka/spell damage can be made part of such a BiS build, provided that you have the staves from one of the required healer & support sets. For example I have both resto and lightning from the SPC set so I can wear a heavy Kena or Shadowrend to augment my build, and only swap jewels and body pieces to Worm Cult, Sanctuary, Mending or other sets. It's only in trials where you need that kind of customization. For dungeons I usually swap to Julianos and IA, DPS and off-heal people with ritual of retribution, and pick my shards that I use for DPS anyway.

Seleval

Try using 5 piece SPC and 5 Piece Mending + Masters resto staff c:
I use this and it works great so far


as a healer you dont need a monster set, sooo 2x5 piece sets and any staves

Beardimus

Ran on my Pet Sorc and it worked ok, but with the change to Orbs its not needed now. So i'm back to Dave the Daedroth.

Asardes

Beardimus wrote: »

Ran on my Pet Sorc and it worked ok, but with the change to Orbs its not needed now. So i'm back to Dave the Daedroth.

I hate that with a passion as tank. When I started playing it was always standing between me and the boss, and I could not see certain mechanics to block/interrupt them. I've seen it recently popping in trials but thankfully the AoEs get rid of it quite quickly and so does the other nuisance, the scamp

phileunderx2

My healers run with 2 5 piece sets and one monster helm or shoulder. Slimcraw or ice heart currently. Anything to boost spell damage.

Fuxo

As most of the above healers, I also run 2 5pc sets and 1 monster piece (+max health atm).

Kneighbors

2 5pc sets + monster piece is for those who cant farm vdsa

Girl_Number8

Kneighbors wrote: »

Put Powerful Assault togeter with SPC and spam vigor every 8 seconds. 400 spell/weapon damage injection can't go wrong.

All the resources sets are good only for novice healers or dd's who struggle to do the job with their build. You need to throw shards at tank often and always apply magicka drain, this is the maximum resources you need.

Thata for 4 man, things are different in 12

nah, I don't agree.<3

Girl_Number8

Asardes wrote: »

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

Azurya wrote: »

just read "overhealing", it is clear that healing needs to be NERFED soon!

It does not, it already has by nerfing Blessed CP and Major Mending in Morrowind. It's just a play-style issue, as many healers spam heals instead of buffing the group. And there are situations where you really need to heal as much as possible since the DPS received by players from certain mechanics is so high (ex. vAA: Stone Atronach pounding, Valariel when you leave one ghost and Mage execute phase). There are also mechanics that sap resources and debuff healing (ex. the orbs in vCoS).

Yes this! Especially when you have squishy squishies standing in the red expecting to have a no death run while burning a boss down.

I am really getting tired of the snowflakes blaming all the support classes for their woes.

I'm not talking about avoidable things. For the most part HoTs should keep people alive and healer should focus more on supporting. In 4 man content if the group is good you can basically bring another DPS with some off-heals and finish faster. There are only a few instances in vet HM DLC dungeons where you need to throw everything into healing. BiS gear and group customization is only necessary to do veteran trials for score, and do the vet DLC ones which are harder. There you can really see what is BiS and what is not. As a result there's no reason to farm stuff intensively unless it's BiS for that kind of content.

Any monster set that gives you magicka recovery/maximum magicka/spell damage can be made part of such a BiS build, provided that you have the staves from one of the required healer & support sets. For example I have both resto and lightning from the SPC set so I can wear a heavy Kena or Shadowrend to augment my build, and only swap jewels and body pieces to Worm Cult, Sanctuary, Mending or other sets. It's only in trials where you need that kind of customization. For dungeons I usually swap to Julianos and IA, DPS and off-heal people with ritual of retribution, and pick my shards that I use for DPS anyway.

tltr u could just have said "nah, I didn't mean that." but okay all is good.<3

Runefang

Troll King + SPC front bar + Master Architect back bar

War Horn on back bar whenever you can.

Gilliamtherogue

One of the most disappointing sets out there. I figured after the Morrowind sustain changes this set would see a tremendous impact boost, but sadly it cannot stay alive long enough to be useful.

-The pet has 14k health and does not get the AoE damage mitigation that other pets get. It also doesn't have high resistances at all.

-Despite the pet not having the ability to attack, it "aggros" to mobs, and walks to them before planting itself in place to attempt to heal. This puts it into dangerous situations often and gets it killed.

-It is highly susceptible to chain CC, as it does not get CC immunity (from what I can tell, it usually just dies after being CCed anyways). CC also does not pause its timer, meaning it can spawn and literally sit there and do nothing for its duration, if it isn't killed somehow.