Absolutely unplayable performance

Kozato

I've been playing ESO for over a year now. I always knew performance was bad. Recently I got myself an SSD and did a fresh install of Windows 10 on it. I'll put my specs.

Core i7 4790
12gb RAM
Gtx 1080 overclocked to 2ghz

I only game at 1080p (after buying my gtx 1080 in saving up for a display that can take advantage of its performance). But I don't really see the point. After getting ESO back on new new SSD, I logged into riften and set up identical graphics to what I used to have. And it feels like my FPS is worse (yes I know drives don't impact performance). In riften im getting a maximum of 30. Sometimes 20. In the wild. It peaks to just as 60 occasionally. How can a game that's been out for so long now run so awful? Does anyone have any thoughts on making my FPS improve a bit? In towns the stuttering is horrible to look at and is making the game extremely difficult to bare.

Turelus

Things to normally check are add-ons which might effect performance, if your software from Nvidia is doing anything like scaling the game or enforcing an FPS cap.

You shouldn't be having those issues with that spec, so it's something funky somewhere. You can also try to submit a ticket and ask customer support, they normally go through some basic trouble shooting. Just do actually try everything they say even if you "know" that's not the issue because sometimes even the best of us are silly and forget things.

Kozato

Turelus wrote: »

You shouldn't be having those issues with that spec, so it's something funky somewhere. You can also try to submit a ticket and ask customer support.

Customer support just link you to their requirements page... So yeah I don't have the slightest clue. I used to run with a 1060 I picked up, and the difference between then and now us 0. I feel you could run ESO on a quantum computer or a potato and FPS would be identical.

Turelus

I play with a worse card than you and get a solid 60 FPS so it's something weird.

Are you able to reply to the ticket and ask for any kind of support? Sadly I am not an expert on such things but I know add-ons can have an impact at times as well as the nvidia software scaling things, do you have vsync turned on via the game or nvidia software at all?

Kimba_Do

Well, Khajiit went from a dual-core A7 4gig ram to a quad-core A8 8gig and saw a massive FPS increase, as well as a notable decrease in ping. This one still can't run with graphics on full, but usually get 40-70+ FPS at medium settings. Note that both of these systems are using on-board graphics; this one does not run a dedicated video card.

It is important to realize that many many factors go into online game performance. Graphics capability is only one part of it. Processor speed can affect frame rate, and also can affect data transfer rates. Old drivers can cause conflicts, or even lack support of needed functions. Network speed is also directly related to your ISP's settings - there have been numerous posts of crappy performance fixed by setting up a VPN.

When troubleshooting issues of this nature (or any issue, for that matter) one of the best things you can do to diagnose problems is to only - ONLY - make one change at a time, then test. When you test, try to always do the same set of actions. If no change is noticed, undo what your last step was before you continue. Note that this is for preliminary troubleshooting only, as it may take an accumulated set of changes for an effect to be seen. Don't forget to run a baseline (before changes) test and record the results so that you have a comparison.

WillhelmBlack

You're not alone.

tplink3r1

Most people having fps issues seem to be using SSDs...

WillhelmBlack

tplink3r1 wrote: »

Most people having fps issues seem to be using SSDs...

Everyone uses SSD'S.

Kimba_Do

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

tplink3r1 wrote: »

Most people having fps issues seem to be using SSDs...

Everyone uses SSD'S.

This one does not. Micro-servo motors and rapidly spinning platters were good enough for Khajiit's um, yeah, well, this one likes the sound of an HDD spinning up! SSD's are too quiet, almost certainly they are planning something nefarious.

Kozato

@Kimba_Do I actually gave that a try a while ago. I changed one setting at a time and stayed in one spot with fraps open to watch the difference in fpa. Going from rock bottom to ultra did about a 10 frame boost in riften, still miles away from the 60 standard of my monitor. Im at a loss as to how the game runs to bad.

Kimba_Do

The rig I use is dedicated to gaming; nothing but 4 games and 2 support programs (minion and discord) and an anti-virus utility. While I do have a registered copy of Fraps, I don't have it installed, rather I use the in-game FPS/ping meters as this does not have the added overhead of another executable running. There are 2 'system' programs that launch a TSR auto-updater, but I usually simply disable them before gaming.

You state only a 10 fps difference between lowest and highest graphics settings. This does not seem any kind of normal; if I drop graphics to minimum my fps goes way over 100. This seems to suggest an issue with the video subsystems, perhaps a driver conflict, outdated driver or improperly adjusted video settings (for example, my on-board video will allow me to set each executable program to a different video setting. It also allows me to 'feather' my monitor, increasing my 1600 x 900 (native) resolution to just a bit under double that. Enabling that setting causes a very significant fps drop, no matter what the in-game settings are). If your motherboard design is more than a couple years old, the drivers on the support disc that came with it may well be outdated.

Finally, although I have extensive experience in various aspects of the IT family of fields, these comments are free suggestions on an internet forum, and the only intent is to explore potential issues you may have missed. Thus, this advice is offered AS IS, and is worth only what you paid for it.

YMMV

Kozato

Kimba_Do wrote: »

The rig I use is dedicated to gaming; nothing but 4 games and 2 support programs (minion and discord) and an anti-virus utility. While I do have a registered copy of Fraps, I don't have it installed, rather I use the in-game FPS/ping meters as this does not have the added overhead of another executable running. There are 2 'system' programs that launch a TSR auto-updater, but I usually simply disable them before gaming.

You state only a 10 fps difference between lowest and highest graphics settings. This does not seem any kind of normal; if I drop graphics to minimum my fps goes way over 100. This seems to suggest an issue with the video subsystems, perhaps a driver conflict, outdated driver or improperly adjusted video settings (for example, my on-board video will allow me to set each executable program to a different video setting. It also allows me to 'feather' my monitor, increasing my 1600 x 900 (native) resolution to just a bit under double that. Enabling that setting causes a very significant fps drop, no matter what the in-game settings are). If your motherboard design is more than a couple years old, the drivers on the support disc that came with it may well be outdated.

Finally, although I have extensive experience in various aspects of the IT family of fields, these comments are free suggestions on an internet forum, and the only intent is to explore potential issues you may have missed. Thus, this advice is offered AS IS, and is worth only what you paid for it.

YMMV

When I spoke of changing graphics it did not include resolution. Always 1920x1080 on the tests I did. But yes changing my settings drastically barely improved anything. If my word isn't enough, I can easily add a couple screenshots of the settings and framerste before and after.

Kimba_Do

Kozato wrote: »

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... But yes changing my settings drastically barely improved anything...

This sentence pretty much says it all. Were it I, I'd start with the video driver/software and verify that it is the most current non-beta that the manufacturer has put out. Try reducing or disabling anti-aliasing as this is very resource intensive. Many video systems have additional tools to smooth things out; disabling them may help as well. It is a good idea to write down current settings before changing them, but I'm sure you already knew that.

I noticed one responder had mentioned add-ons; I would like to revisit that. Add-ons that alter the map seem to be an issue with some folks, as it was with me on my old rig. When you continue with the troubleshooting, make sure to disable all add-ons, to ensure your testing is as accurate as possible. Should disabling add-ons have an effect, remember to re-enable them one at a time.

Tandor

Kimba_Do wrote: »

Kozato wrote: »

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... But yes changing my settings drastically barely improved anything...

This sentence pretty much says it all. Were it I, I'd start with the video driver/software and verify that it is the most current non-beta that the manufacturer has put out. Try reducing or disabling anti-aliasing as this is very resource intensive. Many video systems have additional tools to smooth things out; disabling them may help as well. It is a good idea to write down current settings before changing them, but I'm sure you already knew that.

I noticed one responder had mentioned add-ons; I would like to revisit that. Add-ons that alter the map seem to be an issue with some folks, as it was with me on my old rig. When you continue with the troubleshooting, make sure to disable all add-ons, to ensure your testing is as accurate as possible. Should disabling add-ons have an effect, remember to re-enable them one at a time.

I've seen mention of performance issues with trading addons as well as map ones, I imagine it's basically any addon that is constantly updating data. It's certainly good advice to disable the lot and then add them back in one at a time, and I'd suggest the same with graphics settings. When you have fixed whatever is causing the game to perform badly at the lowest settings and it's running properly on that basis, then raise the settings incrementally until you get what for you is the optimum balance between quality and performance.

I have mixed views on drivers. Some will always argue that you should always use the latest drivers, but often it's drivers from a year or two ago that run games and other applications more smoothly and the secret is once you've found a driver that works well then stick with it unless and until there's a compelling reason to update it. While it's certainly the case that if you're using old drivers and are experiencing problems then it's sensible to update them, equally if you're already using the latest drivers and have problems then it's sensible to roll the drivers back and try earlier ones.

Nestor

Hmmm, fresh install of Windows 10? New Drive? Or a rewrite over the existing one?

When you installed Windows 10 did you opt out of all of their helpful spying on you in the options or just accept the default?

Did you reconfigure or change Firewalls? In other words, do you have one on your router that you use, or just the one on Windows? Is the new install of Windows Firewall active where it was not before? Have you allowed the game in Windows Firewall if that is what you use?

Did you install or change your Antivirus?

Dracofyre

not running any add-ons, it getting worst after each patch until unplayable, i check window updates, and all other stuffs, even troubleshootings.

in other post, someone said about Firefox. doesnt make sense to me.

THWIP71

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

tplink3r1 wrote: »

Most people having fps issues seem to be using SSDs...

Everyone uses SSD'S.

That's a really stupid, and false, statement.

Cpt_Teemo

For some reason just today ESO's been acting very strange for me the website included acting all slow and crappy

Dracofyre

these disconnections is making me very hostile, barely did 1 witch quest in 1 day, hours of reloggings and only played few minutes. ZOS still using outdated server and not checking for bad wires.