ZOS should make crown-purchased motifs account-wide

Lyserus

I am sure the motif sales in crown store is not bad, however, I am 99% sure that no one ever buy same motif with crowns on two characters.

So why don't you make crown-purchased motifs account-wide, making them more compelling than collecting all those pages in a single character without spending crown?

This also provides greater chance for ppl to get master writ in alts, if what I remember is correct

VaranisArano

Why should they? That would make the Crown Store Motif measurably better than the equivalent in-game motif, something they've managed to avoid thus far. Once you add in the (tiny) improved chance for master writs on alts, you are headed much closer to pay-to-win.

So either all motifs become account wide, or crown store motifs remain as they are: a quick and convenient way to get motifs for real money without having to farm or buy them in game.

newtinmpls

Don't be too sure about what people "wouldn't" do.

If they have (or can get) the crowns.

Lyserus

VaranisArano wrote: »

Why should they? That would make the Crown Store Motif measurably better than the equivalent in-game motif, something they've managed to avoid thus far. Once you add in the (tiny) improved chance for master writs on alts, you are headed much closer to pay-to-win.

So either all motifs become account wide, or crown store motifs remain as they are: a quick and convenient way to get motifs for real money without having to farm or buy them in game.

how is it "headed much closer to pay-to-win" now? It's all cosmetic stuff, with that slightly drop rate increase.

If at the moment they are "a quick and convenient way to get motifs for real money without having to farm or buy them in game.", all I suggested is make it quicker and more convenient, and as for master writ, it is also at most helping the buyer to get gold/voucher a bit faster, nothing will result in pay to win

newtinmpls

Lyserus wrote: »

If at the moment they are "a quick and convenient way to get motifs for real money without having to farm or buy them in game.", all I suggested is make it quicker and more convenient, and as for master writ, it is also at most helping the buyer to get gold/voucher a bit faster, nothing will result in pay to win

Get more gold/voucher (basically currency) faster....that would be the definition of pay to win.

Lyserus

newtinmpls wrote: »

Lyserus wrote: »

If at the moment they are "a quick and convenient way to get motifs for real money without having to farm or buy them in game.", all I suggested is make it quicker and more convenient, and as for master writ, it is also at most helping the buyer to get gold/voucher a bit faster, nothing will result in pay to win

Get more gold/voucher (basically currency) faster....that would be the definition of pay to win.

then by that definition, buying motif with crowns is already pay to win, as it increases your master writ drop rate already without playing game/ search for motif

P2W means the stronger gear/class/skill etc are behind payroll, for example an OP imperial race or warden class. The extra gold you get is not gonna help you get anything combat related boost that non-payers can't, thus not fitting the definition of p2w

newtinmpls

If a motif you get in Crown store does something that motif you get in game doesn't do/can't do (like say, offer 12 characters to learn it), AND there is ingame major benefit (as you noted, much goodness in the way of monies and writs earned) then that's P2W.

Irfind

Uhm why not make all motifs acc wide ? I dont think someone like to collect this 2-x times again ?

newtinmpls

My theory on why more stuff Isn't account wide:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/4555772/#Comment_4555772

basically, it's an MMORPG and is meant to be character driven, not account driven.

Reverb

newtinmpls wrote: »

If a motif you get in Crown store does something that motif you get in game doesn't do/can't do (like say, offer 12 characters to learn it), AND there is ingame major benefit (as you noted, much goodness in the way of monies and writs earned) then that's P2W.

And what is it that you win? What advantage does this give you over people who only know a motif on one character? Or over people who don't know it at all?

It doesn't, and cosmetics aren't p2w. People really need to stop throwing that term around.

VaranisArano

Lyserus wrote: »

then by that definition, buying motif with crowns is already pay to win, as it increases your master writ drop rate already without playing game/ search for motif

P2W means the stronger gear/class/skill etc are behind payroll, for example an OP imperial race or warden class. The extra gold you get is not gonna help you get anything combat related boost that non-payers can't, thus not fitting the definition of p2w

As has been said, giving alts who did not buy the motif the increased chance at writs/gold would indeed be pay to win. A very slight version of pay to win perhaps (assuming no one whales out on crown motifs which is not an assumption we can make) but still a case where the Crown Store version of an in game item would be measurably better than the in game version. Making extra gold or receiving extra vouchers on alts who benefited from your suggested account-wide crown store motifs would indeed be paying to win more vouchers, more gold, and thus anything you can buy with that gold (which includes combat-related things if you want to get strict with your definition of p2w).

Why is buying a Crown Store motif not pay to win right now? Because you can buy exactly the same item for exactly the same improved chance at writs for in-game gold. Recently, the in-game gold has even been the cheaper way to go about things.

I do not want to encourage ZOS to put things on the Crown Store that are better than what can be obtained in game. This would make Crown Store Motifs better than the equivalent item in-game, even regardless of the increased chance at vouchers. With the increased chance at vouchers, the issue of pay-to-win comes up because players now have a better chance at making gold off of Crown Store items that they cannot make with the equivalent in-game item because the in-game motifs are not account wide.

I am opposed to making Crown Store Motifs account-wide unless in-game motifs are also made account-wide.

Elsonso

Some right answers here.

This is an RPG, and is designed to be character driven, not account driven. Yes, ZOS is confused and inconsistent on the whole concept, but this is their first game and they can hardly be expected to know what these fancy "RPG" things are.

More than that, we are talking about revenue. Why would they sell one motif to someone who might buy a second, or third, one? Monetization 101 clearly teaches to make sure the customer has more they can buy.

lardvader

Well the pricing model reflect that it is account wide hence I bought a 5k motif February last year..... had to learn the hard way

Yes I agree that it should be account wide. If it were and with transmog I would be 100% fine with the current price for all motifs.... not the 6k ones though....

Cpt_Teemo

They should make all traits, motifs, patterns, and recipes account wide not just crown store stuff

BloodWolfe

The only ones I can agree with that should be account-wide are the Crown Store exclusive motifs. The ones that can also be found in-game should stay as is. Only make the crown exclusive motifs account-wide because I'll be damned if I am going to buy multiple of these motifs at the ridiculous prices they charge. Even at the prices they charged I have only bought the Frostcaster and Grim Harlequin motifs, the rest are far too expensive; especially being per character.

That or make ALL motifs account-wide but I can see why they don't, per char keeps the guidl trader economy going with all the other motifs so I think Crown exclusive should be account, everything else stays as is (per character).

6k motifs are ridiculous, even if they were account-wide I wouldn't pay more than 2.5k (personally) but being per char that is just an absurd price point.

logarifmik

I have only one master crafter on my account (main character), and I don't want to craft on other toons (except alchemy and provisioning), so I don't need the crown motifs to be account wide. Nevertheless, I don't see why ALL motifs shouldn't be account wide. Anyone collecting them on multiple charters? Why?!

Iluvrien

BloodWolfe wrote: »

The only ones I can agree with that should be account-wide are the Crown Store exclusive motifs. The ones that can also be found in-game should stay as is. <snip>

Easy solution then. Don't have crown store exclusive motifs. Ever.

...or even better, pull motifs back out of the crown store and stop artifically reducing the availability of these things just so it can be used to drive inflated sales.

Cpt_Teemo

Iluvrien wrote: »

BloodWolfe wrote: »

The only ones I can agree with that should be account-wide are the Crown Store exclusive motifs. The ones that can also be found in-game should stay as is. <snip>

Easy solution then. Don't have crown store exclusive motifs. Ever.

...or even better, pull motifs back out of the crown store and stop artifically reducing the availability of these things just so it can be used to drive inflated sales.

Yeah the market for the best motifs are dirt prices now cause of the crown store, seems the only way they want us to make any currency in game now is either botting or duping

sevomd69

People have no idea what P2W means...none...nada... If you want to see what real P2W is go play Neverwinter...its F2P...

redspecter23

It would be a nice gesture to make crown motifs account wide. As mentioned above, I doubt many people every buy a crown motif on more than one character. It's also not overly useful to bother anyway. I'd guess that the increase in sales they receive by making them account wide would be greater than the multiple purchase sales they currently get and it would also solve some issues with people using crown motifs on the wrong character. It's probably rare, but I'm sure it happens and customer service has to deal with those complaints. It's also good PR which can be extremely valuable if it comes at a minimal cost.

It's not completely unprecedented. Games like Star Trek Online offer account wide unlocks on many store bought items which encourages people to roll up new alts and increases sales of new character slots.