Unseen truth #1 (Morrowind's adjusted XP)

UnseenTruth

I dont like lies
im here to uncover it!
in such topics i will discover and public some lies from Zenimax and others

from Morrowind patch notes (better later than never)

Adjusted Experience (XP) for Levels 1 – 50
The experience needed to level from 1 to 50 has been adjusted. Earlier levels now require less experience to obtain, while later levels will require more.

The total time to level from 1 to 50 should generally remain unchanged, and anyone currently leveling should not see any decrease to their current level progress – in some cases you may see an increase in level depending on progress.

but in fact, i did some math in excel

old pre-morrowind value is blue
new morrowind value is red



old total exp - 2,296,964
new total exp - 2,805,865

Sincerely yours, UnseenTruth

Runschei

This is interesting. thank you for your math o.o

CalydorEstalon

What lies are you uncovering? Your graph shows exactly what the patch notes said. Level 1-20 is a little faster, 21-50 a litlte slower.

Is it the part where total time taken won't change much? Do you have any data for whether experience gains got overhauled as well?

Cpt_Teemo

They claimed it would be faster leveling from 1-50 in OT I thought

Elsonso

Interesting, but the graph and the text that follows it cannot be used to claim that the text in green is false.

AzraelKrieg

You forgot the part where XP from all sources was increased in general in an earlier patch. ZOS did not lie about this at all.

umagon

I hope future “unseen truth” episodes are more entertaining with topics such as corporate espionage, insider trading, in depth and undercover with botters/hackers/scammers, guild trader syndicates, etc. This first episode is underwhelming and fails to entertain.

Graydon

Zzzzzzzz

UnseenTruth

umagon wrote: »

I hope future “unseen truth” episodes are more entertaining with topics such as corporate espionage, insider trading, in depth and undercover with botters/hackers/scammers, guild trader syndicates, etc. This first episode is underwhelming and fails to entertain.

yes it is, just a farm of insightful

RaddlemanNumber7

The graph conforms with the statements in the green text.

May be OP needs to do more work on his English comprehension.

Shadzilla

umagon wrote: »

I hope future “unseen truth” episodes are more entertaining with topics such as corporate espionage, insider trading, in depth and undercover with botters/hackers/scammers, guild trader syndicates, etc. This first episode is underwhelming and fails to entertain.

Also bleaker's outpost "role playing" would be a good addition.

Zbigb4life

Graydon wrote: »

Zzzzzzzz

Wake up! Time to go to work

FoolishHuman

Oh great, conspiracy theorists, that's what the internet is truly lacking!

xSkullfox

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRWbIoIR04c

Saturnana

The experience needed to level from 1 to 50 has been adjusted.

Correct, it's been adjusted from ~2.3 to ~2.8 million apparently.

Earlier levels now require less experience to obtain, while later levels will require more.

Also correct. As your graph shows, 1-19 seem to need less XP, and 20+ needs more.

I don't see the lie here, but that may just be my interpretation of ZOS' statement vs. your graph..

Turelus

Not sure if this is a troll or OP actually thinks they've discovered some shocking secret which will shake the very foundations of ESO.

Insandros

And the point of thse graph is........ showing it can take 5 minutes more time to level a toon 1-50?

UnseenTruth

Insandros wrote: »

And the point of thse graph is........ showing it can take 5 minutes more time to level a toon 1-50?

actually no
for quester its few days more
for grinder few hours more

Loc2262

Actually, yeah if the total amount of XP required from level 1 to 50 has been increased from 2.3m to 2.8m, I don't really see how "the total time to level from 1 to 50 should generally remain unchanged".

Can someone enlighten me?

Tandor

Loc2262 wrote: »

Actually, yeah if the total amount of XP required from level 1 to 50 has been increased from 2.3m to 2.8m, I don't really see how "the total time to level from 1 to 50 should generally remain unchanged".

Can someone enlighten me?

It depends on whether and how the XP for individual quests and encounters has been changed. You may well be able to gain the new amount of XP required in exactly the same amount of playtime, just with a slight rebalancing as between lower and higher levels.

Loc2262

Tandor wrote: »

Loc2262 wrote: »

Actually, yeah if the total amount of XP required from level 1 to 50 has been increased from 2.3m to 2.8m, I don't really see how "the total time to level from 1 to 50 should generally remain unchanged".

Can someone enlighten me?

It depends on whether and how the XP for individual quests and encounters has been changed. You may well be able to gain the new amount of XP required in exactly the same amount of playtime, just with a slight rebalancing as between lower and higher levels.

Yeah that's certainly possible. Might have been a good idea, especially to quell conspiracy theories , to put those figures in the patch notes too. Oftentimes the lack of transparency on ZOS' part can be somewhat frustrating.

Azurya

awesome, but
I am not shocked nor will I depart my loved game cauze of this,
more over I will start a new toon tonight and lvl her the new hard way around!

NyassaV

I KNEW IT FELT LONGER THAN IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE, THOSE LITTLE BUGGERS!!!

Enslaved

lnsane wrote: »

The experience needed to level from 1 to 50 has been adjusted.

Correct, it's been adjusted from ~2.3 to ~2.8 million apparently.

Earlier levels now require less experience to obtain, while later levels will require more.

Also correct. As your graph shows, 1-19 seem to need less XP, and 20+ needs more.

I don't see the lie here, but that may just be my interpretation of ZOS' statement vs. your graph..

The total time to level from 1 to 50 should generally remain unchanged

You missed this part. 2.8M is about 20% more XP than 2.3M. So, it is not unchanged but you need more than 20% more to get to lvl 50.

Saturnana

Enslaved wrote: »

lnsane wrote: »

The experience needed to level from 1 to 50 has been adjusted.

Correct, it's been adjusted from ~2.3 to ~2.8 million apparently.

Earlier levels now require less experience to obtain, while later levels will require more.

Also correct. As your graph shows, 1-19 seem to need less XP, and 20+ needs more.

I don't see the lie here, but that may just be my interpretation of ZOS' statement vs. your graph..

The total time to level from 1 to 50 should generally remain unchanged

You missed this part. 2.8M is about 20% more XP than 2.3M. So, it is not unchanged but you need more than 20% more to get to lvl 50.

Well as others have pointed out, the fact that leveling from 1 to 50 takes more XP now, does not necessarily mean it'll also take longer to gain those levels. I'm assuming the XP changes were done in such a way that the increased XP gain on levels 1-20 probably balances out the slower XP gain on the higher levels. If, on top of that, the pace at which we earn XP is increased for some levels, then it could in fact take us about the same time as it always has to level a character to 50. The reason I didn't include it for now is because there's no hard data on this (yet). The OP only mentions levels vs. XP, and not how much time it took them to earn that XP.

Chronicburn

Looks like it takes 20% longer to me ... that's pretty far from "unchanged"

Thanks for the stats.

Enslaved

lnsane wrote: »

Enslaved wrote: »

lnsane wrote: »

The experience needed to level from 1 to 50 has been adjusted.

Correct, it's been adjusted from ~2.3 to ~2.8 million apparently.

Earlier levels now require less experience to obtain, while later levels will require more.

Also correct. As your graph shows, 1-19 seem to need less XP, and 20+ needs more.

I don't see the lie here, but that may just be my interpretation of ZOS' statement vs. your graph..

The total time to level from 1 to 50 should generally remain unchanged

You missed this part. 2.8M is about 20% more XP than 2.3M. So, it is not unchanged but you need more than 20% more to get to lvl 50.

Well as others have pointed out, the fact that leveling from 1 to 50 takes more XP now, does not necessarily mean it'll also take longer to gain those levels. I'm assuming the XP changes were done in such a way that the increased XP gain on levels 1-20 probably balances out the slower XP gain on the higher levels. If, on top of that, the pace at which we earn XP is increased for some levels, then it could in fact take us about the same time as it always has to level a character to 50. The reason I didn't include it for now is because there's no hard data on this (yet). The OP only mentions levels vs. XP, and not how much time it took them to earn that XP.

I'd ask you if you are Insane... But I am too timid for such a question.
Anyways, since I leveled 14 chars 1-50, and 3 of them were leveled post Morrowind, I can say it takes more time to level them, compared to before. I am not sure if it is exactly 20% difference, but there is a difference. Thanks to @UnseenTruth for what he tested and wrote here.

Slick_007

UnseenTruth wrote: »

umagon wrote: »

I hope future “unseen truth” episodes are more entertaining with topics such as corporate espionage, insider trading, in depth and undercover with botters/hackers/scammers, guild trader syndicates, etc. This first episode is underwhelming and fails to entertain.

yes it is, just a farm of insightful

can buttons contain sarcasm?

Slick_007

Enslaved wrote: »

lnsane wrote: »

The experience needed to level from 1 to 50 has been adjusted.

Correct, it's been adjusted from ~2.3 to ~2.8 million apparently.

Earlier levels now require less experience to obtain, while later levels will require more.

Also correct. As your graph shows, 1-19 seem to need less XP, and 20+ needs more.

I don't see the lie here, but that may just be my interpretation of ZOS' statement vs. your graph..

The total time to level from 1 to 50 should generally remain unchanged

You missed this part. 2.8M is about 20% more XP than 2.3M. So, it is not unchanged but you need more than 20% more to get to lvl 50.

you are saying XP required increased, but then claiming its the same as time. time is unchanged, xp required was. and as others pointed out, xp gained was increased earlier.

generalmyrick

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

They claimed it would be faster leveling from 1-50 in OT I thought

i thought they said the same but that's roughly 27% more required xp?

Apache_Kid

Very good to know. I had a feeling that this was the case but didn't want to take the time to confirm. Thank you for discovering this charade.