Can we have more transliminals?

Cryptical

We have transliminal violet, which combines pure violet with its exact complement pure yellow on the color wheel, in a single dye.

Will we ever get transliminal red, combining pure red and pure green?

And what about transliminal blue, for a blue / orange complementary dye?

Is this even on the radar of the aesthetics team?

starkerealm

Orange to blue/violet is already in game. It's Atmoran Bronze. I'm not really chomping at the bit for a red/green combo, because that wouldn't look really great.

Daedric Red is a red/very dark blue combo, under some conditions. There's also a Gold/Orange combo that is shockingly striking, but incredibly rare, I've seen it maybe twice since dyes were added.

There's also a blue with red/pink undertones, for Tamrielic Skyshard collector.

There's also a brown/violet with Motif Master Brown.

Cryptical

starkerealm wrote: »

Orange to blue/violet is already in game. It's Atmoran Bronze. I'm not really chomping at the bit for a red/green combo, because that wouldn't look really great.

Daedric Red is a red/very dark blue combo, under some conditions. There's also a Gold/Orange combo that is shockingly striking, but incredibly rare, I've seen it maybe twice since dyes were added.

There's also a blue with red/pink undertones, for Tamrielic Skyshard collector.

There's also a brown/violet with Motif Master Brown.

Starke, you clearly don’t understand.

Dye the entire set of armor in transliminal violet, and some areas will be violet and others will be gold yellow.

But if you dye a whole set - all the slots - your motif brown then it is all brown. There is no second color. Same with your daedric red - it’s all red. No second color. You maybe are thinking of it in terms of mixing pigments, like mixing yellow paint and violet paint? Because that’s what it seems like you are thinking, and that’s WAY off base.

Go test out the T Violet like I said, do all your clothes with it, and see two separate complementary effects coming from one dye.

And red does go with green.

Rohamad_Ali

At first ai was all Transwutical ? But then I see and yes , those are nice unlocks in the dye bench . More would be cool .

Zvorgin

The colors all turn out funky anyway once you put them on armor and weapons. Somehow orange and blue are both gold on Pact armor heavy chest.

starkerealm

Cryptical wrote: »

Starke, you clearly don’t understand.

That there are, in fact, multiple iridescent dyes in the game? No, I have no comprehension of that fact, which was clearly illustrated when I listed more of them. To be fair, I did include some of the more subtle examples, so that may simply be something you never noticed before.

AlienSlof

Stark is correct, there are quite a few iridescent colours, most of which I use a lot as I'm a sucker for iridescence! I wouldn't say no to more though!

Mystrius_Archaion

Cryptical wrote: »

Will we ever get transliminal red, combining pure red and pure green?

They actually do have a lot of combinations, but red and green wouldn't work because they counter each other in a way that messes with color perception. You can't really see both at the same time or it would be a mix that is neither.
They always bring up these things with those "stare at this red thing" tricks that fool you into seeing something else as a different color.

starkerealm

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

Cryptical wrote: »

Will we ever get transliminal red, combining pure red and pure green?

They actually do have a lot of combinations, but red and green wouldn't work because they counter each other in a way that messes with color perception. You can't really see both at the same time or it would be a mix that is neither.
They always bring up these things with those "stare at this red thing" tricks that fool you into seeing something else as a different color.

Yeah, the problem gets into a difference between the primary colors of light, and the primary colors of pigments. With light (so, you know, what you're seeing on the monitor), the complementary color for Red is Cyan. Ironically, we already have a Cyan to Pink/Red iridescent: Aetherial Blue (I think).

Green's complementary becomes Magenta which... I don't know of any Magenta/Green iridescent in game.

I mean, in a perfect system, we would unlock the basic colors, and then we could set our own undertone, with potentially some specular options, to pick between straight up iridescent, and stuff that looks spackled and worn (like Nirncrux Red, or Etomola Blue).

Mystrius_Archaion

starkerealm wrote: »

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

Cryptical wrote: »

Will we ever get transliminal red, combining pure red and pure green?

They actually do have a lot of combinations, but red and green wouldn't work because they counter each other in a way that messes with color perception. You can't really see both at the same time or it would be a mix that is neither.
They always bring up these things with those "stare at this red thing" tricks that fool you into seeing something else as a different color.

Yeah, the problem gets into a difference between the primary colors of light, and the primary colors of pigments. With light (so, you know, what you're seeing on the monitor), the complementary color for Red is Cyan. Ironically, we already have a Cyan to Pink/Red iridescent: Aetherial Blue (I think).

Green's complementary becomes Magenta which... I don't know of any Magenta/Green iridescent in game.

I mean, in a perfect system, we would unlock the basic colors, and then we could set our own undertone, with potentially some specular options, to pick between straight up iridescent, and stuff that looks spackled and worn (like Nirncrux Red, or Etomola Blue).

I prefer the system from DC Universe Online which just lets players set costume colors at any time with hex codes, like 000000 and ffffff and 5f75ee. It gives absolute freedom although there would have to be some other setting for texture which that game doesn't have, like metallic/matte/velvet/silk.

Cryptical

Let's slay this dragon.
@starkerealm @AlienSlof You've trolled this thread with nonsense. Stop please.

This is transliminal violet. Note carefully that the whole thing is dyed one color, but the effect is some gold and some violet.


Take a close look at the edges of the shoulder bandolier. That fringe is violet while the main body of the sash is gold, but the whole thing is dyed one color - transliminal violet.


Now, for comparison, we have the supposedly red / dark blue of the Daedric Red dye...



What's that? The fringe is dark blue? By putting the camera to a wall and walking toward it, we can zoom in to that fringe much closer than normally on the xbox or ps4 console.

That's not any sort of blue. It's just dark daedric red.


Oh, that's the back? No, really, it is just dark daedric red.


What about the supposedly brown / violet of Motif Master Brown? Let's see, shall we?



That's all brown, yo. There's a glint off the part that looks like scales, you are mistaking that shiny glint for a lighter color.

The 'transliminal' of transliminal violet means it's crossing the color wheel from violet to yellow. If any other color on the dye station does that, post a pic like I did of the dye station screen.

starkerealm

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

Cryptical wrote: »

Will we ever get transliminal red, combining pure red and pure green?

They actually do have a lot of combinations, but red and green wouldn't work because they counter each other in a way that messes with color perception. You can't really see both at the same time or it would be a mix that is neither.
They always bring up these things with those "stare at this red thing" tricks that fool you into seeing something else as a different color.

Yeah, the problem gets into a difference between the primary colors of light, and the primary colors of pigments. With light (so, you know, what you're seeing on the monitor), the complementary color for Red is Cyan. Ironically, we already have a Cyan to Pink/Red iridescent: Aetherial Blue (I think).

Green's complementary becomes Magenta which... I don't know of any Magenta/Green iridescent in game.

I mean, in a perfect system, we would unlock the basic colors, and then we could set our own undertone, with potentially some specular options, to pick between straight up iridescent, and stuff that looks spackled and worn (like Nirncrux Red, or Etomola Blue).

I prefer the system from DC Universe Online which just lets players set costume colors at any time with hex codes, like 000000 and ffffff and 5f75ee. It gives absolute freedom although there would have to be some other setting for texture which that game doesn't have, like metallic/matte/velvet/silk.

Ironically, DCUO does have some alternate visual effects for costume pieces that are pretty striking. Like the cosmic visual. To be fair, I haven't played in years, so there may be more stuff now.

Nord_Templar

In some world religions, it is considered evil to paint materials for clothing, in different colors. As far as I know.
 In addition, screaming bright colors - it's vulgar, and it speaks of a low bad taste of the owner of such clothes.
 I saw in the game, a week ago, a man with a huge belly, with a woman's hair and in a woman's dress, he stood and twisted his hands and head , in a feminine manner.
Looked like ... You understand who, this word is forbidden to pronounce at this Forum.
 I do not understand how such freaks can exist in the world. I think it was some sort of troll pervert who projected on all of us his inner ugliness. And he enjoyed it.
 This is a vulnerability in the game, it can not be forbidden, according to today's rules, and sсоundгеls know this. They just spit on all of us, normal humanity, in our faces.
I think that in the ESO system of colors we need to restore order, and remove excesses, they are evil.

starkerealm

Cryptical wrote: »

Let's slay this dragon.
@starkerealm @AlienSlof You've trolled this thread with nonsense. Stop please.

This is transliminal violet. Note carefully that the whole thing is dyed one color, but the effect is some gold and some violet.


Take a close look at the edges of the shoulder bandolier. That fringe is violet while the main body of the sash is gold, but the whole thing is dyed one color - transliminal violet.

Yes, I'm vaguely familiar.

Cryptical wrote: »

Now, for comparison, we have the supposedly red / dark blue of the Daedric Red dye...



What's that? The fringe is dark blue? By putting the camera to a wall and walking toward it, we can zoom in to that fringe much closer than normally on the xbox or ps4 console.

That's not any sort of blue. It's just dark daedric red.


Oh, that's the back? No, really, it is just dark daedric red.

I'm legitimately not going to blame you for being unable to pop that one. Getting Daedric Red's undertone is a pain. Even then it's highly lighting dependent.



You should be able to see in the ruffles of the skirt, where the red transitions into a dark blue. You can actually get it to show up on the Ebony Motif. I want to say it's visible on heavy Dark Elf, Imperial, Glass, and Morag Tong. Maybe a few others I'm not remembering off hand. Though, like I said, it's subtle. Go someplace like a Dolmen and it will light up and catch the blue light, in a way you won't see if you just hang around a fire.

Cryptical wrote: »

What about the supposedly brown / violet of Motif Master Brown? Let's see, shall we?



That's all brown, yo. There's a glint off the part that looks like scales, you are mistaking that shiny glint for a lighter color.

I mean, yeah, if you want to get really technical, it's probably more of a deep maroon, than a purple. Again, this is one you can pull out on a variety of motifs. I remember being really disappointed when I first got it and tried to use it on Breton. On that one, if you use it on the leather, you will get a purple (didn't take the time to dig out the Breton medium armor costume for you, sorry. In fact, if you look closely at the Breton up top, you'll see she's actually got Motif Master Brown visible on her shoulder caps.

Cryptical wrote: »

The 'transliminal' of transliminal violet means it's crossing the color wheel from violet to yellow. If any other color on the dye station does that, post a pic like I did of the dye station screen.

That's not what it means. Colors on the opposite side of the color wheel are called, "complementary." So, Red/Green, Blue/Orange, Yellow/Violet.

Transliminal is a term from psychology, that means to go beyond boundaries. (Liminal means the first stage of a process, or a barrier in a process, so transliminal would be crossing that.) Specifically, in the case of ESO, Transliminal Violet refers to the book Liminal Bridges that's appeared in Oblivion, Skyrim, and ESO. Within the context of Tamriel, Transliminal refers, specifically, to a method (or any method, it's a little unclear) of traveling from the Mundus to Oblivion.

In the case of Transliminal violet, this would imply that the color is somehow reflective of a color observed on certain transliminal passages. That it is also a complementary color is incidental.

Now, give me a minute, and I"ll post a few more iridescent dyes.

starkerealm

Izaki

Pretty sure that Blademaster's Mauve, Celestial Violet and Aetherial Blue also work like @starkerealm is describing. Unless my memory is incorret, I haven't really used those dyes in ages.

I can say for sure though that Nirncrux Red, transitions into an orangey yellow color on some fabrics which looks very nice, I've come across this last night with the imperial city temple tunic.

starkerealm

Izaki wrote: »

Pretty sure that Blademaster's Mauve, Celestial Violet and Aetherial Blue also work like @starkerealm is describing. Unless my memory is incorret, I haven't really used those dyes in ages.

I can say for sure though that Nirncrux Red, transitions into an orangey yellow color on some fabrics which looks very nice, I've come across this last night with the imperial city temple tunic.

Nirncrux transitions from red to brown. It's really nice if you want a worn look, particularly on leather. I've never seen it go orange, though. Kinda wish I'd grabbed the IC temple tunic now, knowing that.

starkerealm

@Cryptical, something you may not have noticed. Dyes are incredibly inconsistent in this game, depending on what you apply them to. So, if you're only looking at the Argonian motif, you're going to have a very limited view of what is, or isn't, possible with the dyes.