Are you Happy to See a DPS Posing as a Tank in Dungeon Finder?

bhagwad

I confess I'm not neutral on this, but I want to know the general consensus here. I think it's cheating for a DPS to queue as a tank in the vet dungeon finder. Sure, there are some who say "We don't need a tank for this dungeon". But my main issue is that these people are faking a tank in order to beat the queue. The other DPS guys queued honestly, and waited their turn (however long it was). The fake tank thought "I can cheat the system by queuing as a tank".

So question. Would you rather have a true tank in the Veteran dungeon finder who does the following:

1. Taunts
2. Holds boss still
3. Chains adds
4. Provides shields
5. Debuffs boss
6. Give extra health (optional) via Ebon

But does NO dps whatsoever?

Or would you rather have a random DPS queuing as a tank in the dungeon finder as Vet?

Nestor

I would rather have a true tank

bhagwad wrote: »

But does NO dps whatsoever?

Well, a Tank has to do some DPS, even if its just from the Taunt Skills.

If you think the GF is full of players looking to cheat the system, wait until the Transmute stuff starts dropping from the Random Vet Dailies. People are going to be doing everything to game the GF to get in, and when you get a group, good luck doing anything with the group as it will be a pell mell rush to the end to get the mat.

phileunderx2

I would rather have a true tank

Since I play as a healer it generally means that if the tank is fake or the dps is bad then I have to pick up their slack. No tank I get the aggro. Bad dps If I don't start killing stuff we will be in the dungeon forever.

disintegr8

I would rather have a true tank

As someone who primarily only runs normal dungeons for leveling characters, if people go in as correct roles, then everyone knows where they stand and what they are doing. This is more important for newer players.

Some new DPS thinks he is really good because of some dream dungeon runs without realizing the tank and/or healer did most of the damage - steps up to harder content and gets called a scrub. Same with a low health tauntless tank running with DD's whose DPS is so good that everything melts and he is happy - steps into harder content and gets harassed for not keeping aggro or for dying too much.

rosendoichinoveb17_ESO

I would rather have a DPS

I have and will continue to queue as all roles in normal dungeons and most non DLC vet dungeons until most of the people setting them selves as DPS manage to do at least 20k DPS single target. I mean come on people are doing over 40k and more in trials.

Its either that or vote kick or leave after first boss fight (when the DPS numbers show up in combat metrics).

pizzaow

I MAY want another DPS, but still think that queuing as a tank is cheating

As long as the "tank" is taunting, not dying and holding the boss still I'm happy.

It's up to them if they'd rather debuff the boss / buff me or pull a little DPS themselves... I've done dungeon finder enough (as a tank) where the dps is atrocious, and it's much better for the group for me to add 10K DPS then buff two 8K DPSs.

If a DPS is comfortable slotting inner fire, block casting / using shields then it works for me. What I hate is when a DPS queues as a tank with no taunt and excepts everyone else to be cool with it.

Drakkdjinn

Other - it's usually me doing this, which means I'm 1) queue'ing for a normal dungeon instantly 2)probably going to end up tanking the dungeon better than a tank from the queue and 3) doing more DPS than the other two DPS combined and 4) going to be done grinding the same dungeon everyone's done 100x before in half the time with the added benefit of extra drops and a low-stress dungeon run for everyone else.

Malic

I would rather have a DPS

I think trolling is an art form, of which I am a modern picasso. In the fine art of trolling, queuing as a tank when you are DPS is extremely low brow.

However those who do have my full support, we have to support the enterprising young trolls. The social construct of ESO would crumble if we didnt.

Drakkdjinn

Malic wrote: »

I think trolling is an art form, of which I am a modern picasso. In the fine art of trolling, queuing as a tank when you are DPS is extremely low brow.

However those who do have my full support, we have to support the enterprising young trolls. The social construct of ESO would crumble if we didnt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9t-slLl30E

Skullstachio

I would rather have a true tank

Nestor wrote: »

bhagwad wrote: »

But does NO dps whatsoever?

Well, a Tank has to do some DPS, even if its just from the Taunt Skills.

If you think the GF is full of players looking to cheat the system, wait until the Transmute stuff starts dropping from the Random Vet Dailies. People are going to be doing everything to game the GF to get in, and when you get a group, good luck doing anything with the group as it will be a pell mell rush to the end to get the mat.

That's exactly why my Tank is a dragonknight, with volatile armor dealing a fair bit of flame damage on the side from increasing physical/spell resistances, it makes for a good combo with pierce armor as melee attackers take a small amount of magic damage every time they hit a dragon knight with volatile armor active.

(& Believe it or not, I have to tinker with my dragonknight because when Clockwork city lands on console, I will not be able to use the medium armor skill evasion which will partly render tava's blessing useless as I am kitted out in heavy armor, I still have Ebon armory & bloodspawn, but it just means that I will have to replace the tava set with Impenetrable Fortified brass crafted set for a more tanky dragonknight in clockwork city.)

SoLooney

I MAY want another DPS, but still think that queuing as a tank is cheating

depends on the dungeon, but if youre a dps queueing as a tank, you better have good dps for cheating the queue

newtinmpls

I MAY want another DPS, but still think that queuing as a tank is cheating

@bhagwad noted some things that tanks do. My comments are in (parenthesis)

1. Taunts (yup, kinda the definition)
2. Holds boss still (or mostly facing an appropriate direction)
3. Chains adds (non DK tanks can't do this. But there are some distance taunts, and some lockdowns that can help)
4. Provides shields (Bone shield? For non DK; not really sure what other options)
5. Debuffs boss (mostly S&B skills, so any kind of tank can do this)
6. Give extra health (optional) via Ebon (again, not sure what other logical "tanky" sets are out there. Speaking as a rare player of tanks, I love when the tank is wearing this - but no one set can be the "one true right and only way")

GrigorijMalahevich

I would rather have a DPS

nobody cares about dungeon finder, any random group should be able to do it.

Are there actually any vet non dlc dungeons that require an actual dedicated tank?...

ArcaneBlue

I would rather have a true tank

many dungeons may be solo'd or duo'd, especially on normal, however I highly prefer people actually fulfilling their roles, be it tank or healer or DPS. I wish people were more honest about their roles and intentions.

Enslaved

I would rather have a true tank

Veteran dungeons? If not fighting Drodda, give me pure tank.

Armatesz

If a dps ques as a tank it depends on the vet dungeon and how well the team actually does things. But if it is for something like vaults of madness or tempest island or volenfell nah you don't really need a tank for those if your team knows what they are doing or at least one person that has done the dungeon religiously for like 20+ times. Volenfell I get lost in even though I've done it so many times, vaults of madness is not too terribly hard but be best to remind others to not attack that ghost when blue beam is on another and tempest island hardest bosses can be handled pretty easily if done right, one boss is easiest when you kill all trash mobs, another is easier to keep mobile, and that atronach when he gets to 20% health just get a fair bit of distance and just have healer do his job and just pepper the boss with ranged dps... final boss is just a distance challenge (she is considered an elemental templar). It is all like a dance but sometimes you need the right pre request partners to do the roles right or it will be challenging or not passable.