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Skillpoint from morrowind tutorial unobtainable for toons created before morrowind. Change please?

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  • Malic
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    Other: skill point should be for sale in the crown store for 10,000 crowns. I bet they'll sell a ton of them
  • OutLaw_Nynx
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    Squeaky_Clean wrote: »
    Biased poll. Lacks the option "I don't care about a single, measly skill point".

  • disintegr8
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    I don't care because there are plenty of skill points you can get elsewhere without relying on this one.
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  • Shadzilla
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    Yes please, toons created before morrowind deserve access to this skillpoint!
    Malic wrote: »
    Other: skill point should be for sale in the crown store for 10,000 crowns. I bet they'll sell a ton of them

    Disgustingly true.

    OutLaw_Nynx wrote: »
    Squeaky_Clean wrote: »
    Biased poll. Lacks the option "I don't care about a single, measly skill point".

    You so gud you no need. Meanwhile, 95% of the other people would like access to the locked skillpoint. This poll is not biased. The only thing biased is the fact that you are penalized for making a character before morrowind.

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    Edited by Shadzilla on October 5, 2017 12:31AM
  • Shadzilla
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    Yes please, toons created before morrowind deserve access to this skillpoint!
    disintegr8 wrote: »
    I don't care because there are plenty of skill points you can get elsewhere without relying on this one.

    That's cool, except for the other 95% of the people that do care. No one is "relying" on this skill point, it is a quality of life thing. Why drive when you could walk? The big issue lies within the perfectionist and completionist players. How would you feel if you had every single skill point in the game unlocked, except this one? All due to incompetence... This was reported on the PTS by several people, and ignored.
  • Ashtaris
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    Seriously, this again? With all the other problems and issues with the game, this is the only thing you can come up with to complain about, one stupid skill point? :)
  • disintegr8
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    Shadzilla wrote: »
    disintegr8 wrote: »
    I don't care because there are plenty of skill points you can get elsewhere without relying on this one.

    That's cool, except for the other 95% of the people that do care. No one is "relying" on this skill point, it is a quality of life thing. Why drive when you could walk? The big issue lies within the perfectionist and completionist players. How would you feel if you had every single skill point in the game unlocked, except this one? All due to incompetence... This was reported on the PTS by several people, and ignored.
    Don't mean to sound, well... mean, but it is only a game.

    And it is only 95% of 82 (at time of writing) poll respondents that care, not 95% of 'the people'. In reality I'm sure 95% of all players actually do not care about 1 single skill point. For me, the game has bigger issues to worry about.
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  • Aliyavana
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    Yes please, toons created before morrowind deserve access to this skillpoint!
    Jhalin wrote: »
    As far as i'm aware the tutorial quest is still there even if you skip doing the tutorial. For morrowind is when you're asked to investigate the lighthouse and free the slaves from Firemoth Island

    that's not the tutorial quest, the one that grants it is if you
    Ashtaris wrote: »
    Seriously, this again? With all the other problems and issues with the game, this is the only thing you can come up with to complain about, one stupid skill point? :)

    that skillpoint means a lot to completionists. we gave feedback for morrowind during beta and zos ignored it which is pretty annoying... importance to game depends on the player and you need to understand that people have different playstyles, and if I could I would organize fixes by housing>pve>pvp and many might think that pvp is more important than pve or housing more important than both but all are equalliy important and this falls into it affecting a completionist playstyle
  • disintegr8
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    aliyavana wrote: »
    Jhalin wrote: »
    As far as i'm aware the tutorial quest is still there even if you skip doing the tutorial. For morrowind is when you're asked to investigate the lighthouse and free the slaves from Firemoth Island

    that's not the tutorial quest, the one that grants it is if you
    Ashtaris wrote: »
    Seriously, this again? With all the other problems and issues with the game, this is the only thing you can come up with to complain about, one stupid skill point? :)

    that skillpoint means a lot to completionists. we gave feedback for morrowind during beta and zos ignored it which is pretty annoying... importance to game depends on the player and you need to understand that people have different playstyles, and if I could I would organize fixes by housing>pve>pvp and many might think that pvp is more important than pve or housing more important than both but all are equalliy important and this falls into it affecting a completionist playstyle
    What, housing on top of your fix list.... something that has no impact on your character and their abilities, how combat works, how easy or hard it is to progress in the game - that is just crazy.

    Now if changes made to housing made it easier to earn gold, than I'm all for them, but housing is way down the list of must fix items.
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  • Aliyavana
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    Yes please, toons created before morrowind deserve access to this skillpoint!
    disintegr8 wrote: »
    aliyavana wrote: »
    Jhalin wrote: »
    As far as i'm aware the tutorial quest is still there even if you skip doing the tutorial. For morrowind is when you're asked to investigate the lighthouse and free the slaves from Firemoth Island

    that's not the tutorial quest, the one that grants it is if you
    Ashtaris wrote: »
    Seriously, this again? With all the other problems and issues with the game, this is the only thing you can come up with to complain about, one stupid skill point? :)

    that skillpoint means a lot to completionists. we gave feedback for morrowind during beta and zos ignored it which is pretty annoying... importance to game depends on the player and you need to understand that people have different playstyles, and if I could I would organize fixes by housing>pve>pvp and many might think that pvp is more important than pve or housing more important than both but all are equalliy important and this falls into it affecting a completionist playstyle
    What, housing on top of your fix list.... something that has no impact on your character and their abilities, how combat works, how easy or hard it is to progress in the game - that is just crazy.

    Now if changes made to housing made it easier to earn gold, than I'm all for them, but housing is way down the list of must fix items.

    I just believe housing needs a storage system and more slots then I'm good. its a nice break for when I am done with combat for a bit
    Edited by Aliyavana on October 5, 2017 1:58AM
  • Tasear
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    Yes please, toons created before morrowind deserve access to this skillpoint!
    Quality of life change.

  • Lyserus
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    Yes please, toons created before morrowind deserve access to this skillpoint!
    Enodoc wrote: »
    ADarklore wrote: »
    I have a feeling they will do this exact same thing with the next 'chapter' as well... create another 'tutorial' and give new characters an extra skill point... therefore screwing over existing characters once again. The fact that they haven't commented demonstrates that it IS intended, most controversial things that they intend they rarely ever discuss.
    It's not intended, and they said it wasn't intended, but they're not going to fix it now.

    theher0not wrote: »
    They should allow pre Morrowind character to do the new tutorial as a quest just as how post Morrowind characters can do the Wailing Prison.
    Cously wrote: »
    Allow us to take part in the tutorial quest. I can be annoying and say people paid for Morrowind and only have one character didn't get to experience all the content they paid for :P
    Agreed. This is the obvious and relatively-easy-to-implement solution. I have a thread about how to do that over here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-gb/discussion/358647/two-tutorials-two-skill-points-two-quests-two-solutions It had all of 6 replies :stuck_out_tongue:

    Elwendryll wrote: »
    While you're at it, also ask for the 2 mage guild skill points.
    I think that's slightly different. That was a conscious choice that you made for your character. This, on the other hand, is something that you can't control.

    Can you quote what they said? Can't seem to find it
  • itsfatbass
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    Riejael wrote: »
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure there's more than enough skill points to go around and fill in every skill and morph and passive available for a character including Vamp/WW if you go with that.

    There is def a need for more skill points. If you have crafting stuff etc I'm sitting with like 3 to spare (and those are floaters for skills I have available to morph based on the need) and I have all 399 skyshard too.
    Edited by itsfatbass on October 5, 2017 4:09AM
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  • Chronicburn
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    Yes please, toons created before morrowind deserve access to this skillpoint!
    It doesnt matter ... it's a lousy point, so give them the #%*%^^+=%^^*#%!?%^ point zos ... don't be a bunch of cheap *%#*+%^
  • Shadzilla
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    Yes please, toons created before morrowind deserve access to this skillpoint!
    Ashtaris wrote: »
    Seriously, this again? With all the other problems and issues with the game, this is the only thing you can come up with to complain about, one stupid skill point? :)

    If you want to look at the bigger scale, it would have been nice if they listened to the countless people that complained about it during the PTS period. People don't just give feedback because it makes them feel good, we do it so the bugs get fixed. They disregard a massive amount of things they are completely aware about every PTS... Back when orsinium came out gil reported in the PTS how carnage was broken and not working... They acknowledged it on these forums, and didn't fix it until the next patch 6 months later. You know how messed up it was having your main toon a khajiit without the only decent passive working? Back when race change was not allowed either...
    Edited by Shadzilla on October 5, 2017 6:25AM
  • Tasear
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    Yes please, toons created before morrowind deserve access to this skillpoint!
    If alyssum destro staff can matter from 1 to 2 force shock then this does too. But this a slap in face to loyal people. I hope this gets fixed.
  • Kikke
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    Squeaky_Clean wrote: »
    Biased poll. Lacks the option "I don't care about a single, measly skill point".

    ^
    Edited by Kikke on October 5, 2017 6:37AM
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  • Zbigb4life
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    Yes please, toons created before morrowind deserve access to this skillpoint!
    I just started crafting and I can use every single skill point
  • Minyassa
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    Yes please, toons created before morrowind deserve access to this skillpoint!
    That one measly skill point could be Intimidation or Persuasion, both of which can be pretty important when you're questing. It could be an extra hireling in a crafting skill. It could be an alternate Ultimate to give you more spec options. I wouldn't sneeze at one point. They're really important when you're low level and I don't see how they are any less important at endgame unless you have a million toons and you're only minmaxing for specific functions rather than building a wholly functioning character to use in multiple places without spending thousands every time you want to do something different.
  • Zbigb4life
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    Yes please, toons created before morrowind deserve access to this skillpoint!
    disintegr8 wrote: »
    I don't care because there are plenty of skill points you can get elsewhere without relying on this one.

    Not if you want to be a crafter :/
  • Zbigb4life
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    Yes please, toons created before morrowind deserve access to this skillpoint!
    Nestor wrote: »
    Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

    You are wrong. There are not enough to unlock everything.

    Yes there is, all you need to do is respec.

    If you need to respec there aren't enough points, no??? Otherwise no reason to respec. I just started crafting on my main and I can use every extra skill point to raise to max level in crafting.
  • Shadzilla
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    Yes please, toons created before morrowind deserve access to this skillpoint!
    kikkehs wrote: »
    Squeaky_Clean wrote: »
    Biased poll. Lacks the option "I don't care about a single, measly skill point".

    ^

    This poll is not biased. The only thing biased is the fact that you are penalized for making a character before morrowind.
  • Aliyavana
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    Yes please, toons created before morrowind deserve access to this skillpoint!
    Shadzilla wrote: »
    kikkehs wrote: »
    Squeaky_Clean wrote: »
    Biased poll. Lacks the option "I don't care about a single, measly skill point".

    ^

    This poll is not biased. The only thing biased is the fact that you are penalized for making a character before morrowind.

    It's either a yes or no tbh. They can not care but they can vote as a why not
  • Nussi28
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    There are currently 560 skill points necessary to fill all skills and passives.

    There are 93 skills a char can learn (vamp & wolf both counted, only one class skill line).

    There are 374 points necessary to complete all passives (147 points for crafting).

  • Enodoc
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    Yes please, toons created before morrowind deserve access to this skillpoint!
    Lyserus wrote: »
    Can you quote what they said? Can't seem to find it
    Who? ZOS? It was in the ESO Live that was on during Morrowind beta, so it's not printed anywhere, but you can go back and find it.

    aliyavana wrote: »
    that skillpoint means a lot to completionists. we gave feedback for morrowind during beta and zos ignored it which is pretty annoying...
    What's more annoying is that they didn't ignore it. They said they would fix it by changing it so that you only got one "tutorial skill point" overall, and then.... they forgot? Didn't get around to it? We don't really know why they never fixed it.

    kikkehs wrote: »
    Squeaky_Clean wrote: »
    Biased poll. Lacks the option "I don't care about a single, measly skill point".
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    Polls which do have an "I don't care" option are more biased, as they encourage engagement from unengaged people, and the result is invariably skewed by that. Don't care? Don't vote!
    Edited by Enodoc on October 5, 2017 3:09PM
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  • Iselin
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    Irmagerd...this complaint is still a thing? Go out and get all the other hundreds of skill points it's possible to get in the game and when the only one you don't have is that one, come back and whine about how you need it to make your life complete.
  • Dragath
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    Yes please, toons created before morrowind deserve access to this skillpoint!
    if i can get it without doing something for it (because at that point, i'm honestly too lazy), then yes, we deserve this skill point!
    otherwise i would be fine with paying for skill points, come on zos.
    i have money, you want it, don't you? *starts wiggling with his banknotes*
  • Aliyavana
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    Yes please, toons created before morrowind deserve access to this skillpoint!
    Iselin wrote: »
    Irmagerd...this complaint is still a thing? Go out and get all the other hundreds of skill points it's possible to get in the game and when the only one you don't have is that one, come back and whine about how you need it to make your life complete.

    Can you NOT READ! Completionists desire this point even if we don't need it... dam
    Edited by Aliyavana on October 5, 2017 4:22PM
  • Iselin
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    aliyavana wrote: »
    Iselin wrote: »
    Irmagerd...this complaint is still a thing? Go out and get all the other hundreds of skill points it's possible to get in the game and when the only one you don't have is that one, come back and whine about how you need it to make your life complete.

    Can you NOT READ! Completionists desire this point even if we don't need it... dam

    Can YOU not read? Do you have all other skill points except this one?
  • Aliyavana
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    Yes please, toons created before morrowind deserve access to this skillpoint!
    Iselin wrote: »
    aliyavana wrote: »
    Iselin wrote: »
    Irmagerd...this complaint is still a thing? Go out and get all the other hundreds of skill points it's possible to get in the game and when the only one you don't have is that one, come back and whine about how you need it to make your life complete.

    Can you NOT READ! Completionists desire this point even if we don't need it... dam

    Can YOU not read? Do you have all other skill points except this one?

    Dude, If you bothered to read my first comment in my thread i have 340 skillpoints with 12 unused, I want this skill point to COLLECT it, not to use... do you know what a completionist is?
    Edited by Aliyavana on October 5, 2017 4:50PM
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