What's with the snipe & poison injection insta kill?

Sleep724

I'm not sure if it's a bug or what but a number of times I've been hit by 2 or 3 snipes and 2 or 3 poison injections in under a second. Other players have pointed this out as well and said it's a bug, I'm not sure myself but I've never been able to quickly animation cancel a snipe myself. I don't think it's lag either cuz I never had this issue with other abilities like this before.

I understand hard hitting gankers but snipe isn't an insta cast ability.

Narvuntien

lag lag lag lag

brandishsteel

my best animation cancel with lag free is 1.2 second land 3 snipers on the same target, its very easy to do u just need some practice

Brutusmax1mus

Happens all the time on n ps4. Its like snipe is causing latency. I was riding my horse to a keep and i saw the armor debuff from snipe appear ( white line headed towards the sky and heath bar appears shattered). I dodge rolled before taking dmg and 1 hit me and i dodged 2 more attacks.

I instantly got drained of stamina and magicka while out side a keep. Died a few seconds later, 4 snipes and an inject. No time too react to any of it. Literally only have this issue with snipe FROM STEALTH. When the opponent is exposed it deals damage as it should.

Sleep724

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Happens all the time on n ps4. Its like snipe is causing latency. I was riding my horse to a keep and i saw the armor debuff from snipe appear ( white line headed towards the sky and heath bar appears shattered). I dodge rolled before taking dmg and 1 hit me and i dodged 2 more attacks.

I instantly got drained of stamina and magicka while out side a keep. Died a few seconds later, 4 snipes and an inject. No time too react to any of it. Literally only have this issue with snipe FROM STEALTH. When the opponent is exposed it deals damage as it should.

Good point. It only ever seems to happen from stealth.

Narvuntien wrote: »

lag lag lag lag

Not if it's only one ability when everything isn't lagging.

Syrusthevirus187

It's a bollix skill that bad players use

Beardimus

It's been like it for an age, another stamina advantage...

Feanor

Well, @DDuke will gladly tell you that Snipe doesn't kill anybody

DDuke

Feanor wrote: »

Well, @DDuke will gladly tell you that Snipe doesn't kill anybody

Well, besides lag related issues Snipe currently doesn't kill anyone even relatively good at this game.

1. Miat's cheat addon tells you when someone is casting it, so it shouldn't even land - ever.
2. There's also a sound cue (note: long range snipes only).
3. 1s cast time = impossible to land multiple at the same time.

Next patch Snipe might kill people again with a very specific gear setup, assuming they restrict API and make sure cheat addons like Miat's wont work.

Samadhi

Sleep724 wrote: »

I'm not sure if it's a bug or what but a number of times I've been hit by 2 or 3 snipes ...
I understand hard hitting gankers but snipe isn't an insta cast ability.

Sleep724 wrote: »

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Good point. It only ever seems to happen from stealth.
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At max range it is possible to fire off a second Snipe before the first one hits,
due to the travel time
it only really works well from Stealth because a competent player will have defenses up by the second arrow,
due to the travel time

SodanTok

Snipe has desync issues since forever. Not sure how much common it is, but I had just two snipe spam related death this patch and it was because of this. Basically what happens is you suddenly die or fall very close to death (even from full hp) because of several snipes that weren't registered (the sound, the visual, the damage done).
They are not landing at the same time, you just dont see them landing (I think combat log can still register them not sure)

Cliff racer has similiar issue. That is even more obvious because it takes like 5 hits to die and they are usually very obvious in sound and animation except when they desync and you have no idea you are even being attacked by them for several seconds.

Jake1576

Syrusthevirus187 wrote: »

It's a bollix skill that bad players use

Unfortunately i don't agree with this if all a person likes to play is an acher then snipe is required. snipe isn't a move players use when they aren't good. it's the only attack bow users have that does any damage. and that's not much either if people are getting killed by snipe then It's because the player that died to it is a bad player. i'm known best on ps4 na for using snipe and stealth and get told i'm a bad player. when in reality snipe doesn't make me or anyone else using the skill a bad player. we just like to play as a acher just like ppl like to play healers tanks etc.

Syrusthevirus187

@Jake1576
There's just something wrong with the skill. It has a 1.1 second cast time but I die instantly in 1 second and have 5 snipes on my recap. I can't think of any other skill that does that. I've never had 5 hard cast frags or 5 dark flares before. Only snipe.

Pastas

Sleep724 wrote: »

I'm not sure if it's a bug or what but a number of times I've been hit by 2 or 3 snipes and 2 or 3 poison injections in under a second. Other players have pointed this out as well and said it's a bug, I'm not sure myself but I've never been able to quickly animation cancel a snipe myself. I don't think it's lag either cuz I never had this issue with other abilities like this before.

I understand hard hitting gankers but snipe isn't an insta cast ability.

Snipe has a long animation, you chargue a heavy attack when the arrow is in the air and cancel it with poison injection when it is going to hit your target. If you use snipe again you will have 2 snipes in less than 2 seconds on your death recap.

Toc de Malsvi

Syrusthevirus187 wrote: »

@Jake1576
There's just something wrong with the skill. It has a 1.1 second cast time but I die instantly in 1 second and have 5 snipes on my recap. I can't think of any other skill that does that. I've never had 5 hard cast frags or 5 dark flares before. Only snipe.

You haven't encountered many dark flare or frag spammers then. Or you simply haven't played the game long enough. Or your expressing a biased opinion based on anecdotal evidence.

This happens with all delayed damage skills. It can also happen with non delayed damage, it's generally recognized as a health desync. It may be related to lag on either players client.

It may be more noticeable with snipe because all a standard bow setup has from range for pvp is apply poison inject>snipe. Instead of comparable mag Sorc/Templar setup destructive touch, force shock, weakness to elements, curse, fury, radiant, javelin, degeneration, eclipse, backlash, sunfire, spearshards, rune prison, soul trap, inevitable detonation.

Provided you aren't lagging, and haven't experienced a health desync dying to snipe is rare, and can be mostly attributed to poor player response time. Sometimes it can be attributed to poor positioning, if you sit in an open field long enough without shields or high stam or stam recovery, a sniper might catch you at a time when you are both low on magicka and low on stamina.

GreenhaloX

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Happens all the time on n ps4. Its like snipe is causing latency. I was riding my horse to a keep and i saw the armor debuff from snipe appear ( white line headed towards the sky and heath bar appears shattered). I dodge rolled before taking dmg and 1 hit me and i dodged 2 more attacks.

I instantly got drained of stamina and magicka while out side a keep. Died a few seconds later, 4 snipes and an inject. No time too react to any of it. Literally only have this issue with snipe FROM STEALTH. When the opponent is exposed it deals damage as it should.

Lethal Arrows aren't hard to dodge when you can see or know where it is coming from, but yeah, when it hits you when you don't expect it from somebody in stealth.. Damn, I hate NB. Ha ha

Toc de Malsvi

Still I have yet to see a streamer get sniped down. Further I have yet to effectively kill any skilled opponent with simply snipe spam. That works on inexperienced players who also often have a poor connection.

Unless of course you are talking about standing next to a siege or large battle, where health desync and lag is common and players die to BS all the time. Where even good players die to stuff they wouldn't normally because of lag.

You wouldn't know this though, not without using it. You wouldn't see yourself spending 3 seconds casting the same skill to see all of your stam and time wasted by a single dodge roll. To see a Sorc chuckle as he simply refreshes his shield and ignores you. To see a Templar heal through Snipe as it tickles him. If snipe was an effective tool you would see streamers using it.

Stam simply doesn't have the ranged toolkit magicka does, snipe is the only form of ranged burst for virtually all setups, much less pressure without using melee weapons. Snipe is completely ineffectual versus good opponents, it's only value is providing additional pressure while they are fighting someone else. As the skill of your opponent drops the effectiveness of snipe goes up.

TequilaFire

Lethal Arrow, stam/magic drain poison, 60 plus CP into befoul, Marksman set.

Brutusmax1mus

GreenhaloX wrote: »

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Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Happens all the time on n ps4. Its like snipe is causing latency. I was riding my horse to a keep and i saw the armor debuff from snipe appear ( white line headed towards the sky and heath bar appears shattered). I dodge rolled before taking dmg and 1 hit me and i dodged 2 more attacks.

I instantly got drained of stamina and magicka while out side a keep. Died a few seconds later, 4 snipes and an inject. No time too react to any of it. Literally only have this issue with snipe FROM STEALTH. When the opponent is exposed it deals damage as it should.

Lethal Arrows aren't hard to dodge when you can see or know where it is coming from, but yeah, when it hits you when you don't expect it from somebody in stealth.. Damn, I hate NB. Ha ha

That's not what I'm saying. The skills visual effect happens before the damage. In my first event i think it was bc i rode out of range and continued riding with rapids. The fight time in conjunction with my speed.

This only occurs from stealth. I have not ever had it happen from someone standing visible. It also seems to occur more often when you're traveling away from the snipes original location.

Toc de Malsvi

Happens with all skills:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOPyINmtggo

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

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GreenhaloX wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Happens all the time on n ps4. Its like snipe is causing latency. I was riding my horse to a keep and i saw the armor debuff from snipe appear ( white line headed towards the sky and heath bar appears shattered). I dodge rolled before taking dmg and 1 hit me and i dodged 2 more attacks.

I instantly got drained of stamina and magicka while out side a keep. Died a few seconds later, 4 snipes and an inject. No time too react to any of it. Literally only have this issue with snipe FROM STEALTH. When the opponent is exposed it deals damage as it should.

Lethal Arrows aren't hard to dodge when you can see or know where it is coming from, but yeah, when it hits you when you don't expect it from somebody in stealth.. Damn, I hate NB. Ha ha

That's not what I'm saying. The skills visual effect happens before the damage. In my first event i think it was bc i rode out of range and continued riding with rapids. The fight time in conjunction with my speed.

This only occurs from stealth. I have not ever had it happen from someone standing visible. It also seems to occur more often when you're traveling away from the snipes original location.

Stealth could be somehow affecting the way the server is interpreting the damage data. I've had more of these issues with NB's from stealth than with Snipe in particular.

Syrusthevirus187

TequilaFire wrote: »

Lethal Arrow, stam/magic drain poison, 60 plus CP into befoul, Marksman set.

And if snipe gank fails, he will cloak and run away.
Oh oh but if 5 of his mates start attacking you can bet he's in there with an ambush/Incap and a t bag.

SirAndy

Sleep724 wrote: »

I'm not sure if it's a bug or what but a number of times I've been hit by 2 or 3 snipes and 2 or 3 poison injections in under a second. Other players have pointed this out as well and said it's a bug, I'm not sure myself but I've never been able to quickly animation cancel a snipe myself. I don't think it's lag either cuz I never had this issue with other abilities like this before.
I understand hard hitting gankers but snipe isn't an insta cast ability.

Get Miat's AddOn and never suffer another Snipe death ever again ...

exeeter702

brandishsteel wrote: »

my best animation cancel with lag free is 1.2 second land 3 snipers on the same target, its very easy to do u just need some practice

Lol..... nonsense.

PlagueSD

Sleep724 wrote: »

I'm not sure if it's a bug or what but a number of times I've been hit by 2 or 3 snipes and 2 or 3 poison injections in under a second. Other players have pointed this out as well and said it's a bug, I'm not sure myself but I've never been able to quickly animation cancel a snipe myself. I don't think it's lag either cuz I never had this issue with other abilities like this before.

I understand hard hitting gankers but snipe isn't an insta cast ability.

Quit PvPing in light armor.

TequilaFire

Syrusthevirus187 wrote: »

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TequilaFire wrote: »

Lethal Arrow, stam/magic drain poison, 60 plus CP into befoul, Marksman set.

And if snipe gank fails, he will cloak and run away.
Oh oh but if 5 of his mates start attacking you can bet he's in there with an ambush/Incap and a t bag.

Too bad that rarely happens as I have a front bar as well.

Nord_Templar

It's time to understand that PvP is a massacre. There are no rules and honesty.

TequilaFire

Nord_Templar wrote: »

It's time to understand that PvP is a massacre. There are no rules and honesty.

What does using the only skills and tools the game gives you have to do with being dishonest?
It is what you are supposed to do, am I supposed to hit you over the head with a Bugloss?
Would you believe that it is only pixels?

Oh I see you signature, explains all.

Bhaal5

Snipe: is for people that dont know how to use another other class skills or abilities.
Also another way to make yourself a target

Sleep724

SirAndy wrote: »

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Sleep724 wrote: »

I'm not sure if it's a bug or what but a number of times I've been hit by 2 or 3 snipes and 2 or 3 poison injections in under a second. Other players have pointed this out as well and said it's a bug, I'm not sure myself but I've never been able to quickly animation cancel a snipe myself. I don't think it's lag either cuz I never had this issue with other abilities like this before.
I understand hard hitting gankers but snipe isn't an insta cast ability.

Get Miat's AddOn and never suffer another Snipe death ever again ...

On console. Glad we don't have that add on, dumbs down the game IMO.

Sleep724

PlagueSD wrote: »

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Sleep724 wrote: »

I'm not sure if it's a bug or what but a number of times I've been hit by 2 or 3 snipes and 2 or 3 poison injections in under a second. Other players have pointed this out as well and said it's a bug, I'm not sure myself but I've never been able to quickly animation cancel a snipe myself. I don't think it's lag either cuz I never had this issue with other abilities like this before.

I understand hard hitting gankers but snipe isn't an insta cast ability.

Quit PvPing in light armor.

I don't recall saying I was wearing light armor.

Wreuntzylla

Jake1576 wrote: »

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Syrusthevirus187 wrote: »

It's a bollix skill that bad players use

Unfortunately i don't agree with this if all a person likes to play is an acher then snipe is required. snipe isn't a move players use when they aren't good. it's the only attack bow users have that does any damage. and that's not much either if people are getting killed by snipe then It's because the player that died to it is a bad player. i'm known best on ps4 na for using snipe and stealth and get told i'm a bad player. when in reality snipe doesn't make me or anyone else using the skill a bad player. we just like to play as a acher just like ppl like to play healers tanks etc.

Only Stam rolling meta takes skill.

Translated for sarcasm impaired, don't feed the sore trolls.

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

Still I have yet to see a streamer get sniped down. Further I have yet to effectively kill any skilled opponent with simply snipe spam. That works on inexperienced players who also often have a poor connection.

Unless of course you are talking about standing next to a siege or large battle, where health desync and lag is common and players die to BS all the time. Where even good players die to stuff they wouldn't normally because of lag.

You wouldn't know this though, not without using it. You wouldn't see yourself spending 3 seconds casting the same skill to see all of your stam and time wasted by a single dodge roll. To see a Sorc chuckle as he simply refreshes his shield and ignores you. To see a Templar heal through Snipe as it tickles him. If snipe was an effective tool you would see streamers using it.

Stam simply doesn't have the ranged toolkit magicka does, snipe is the only form of ranged burst for virtually all setups, much less pressure without using melee weapons. Snipe is completely ineffectual versus good opponents, it's only value is providing additional pressure while they are fighting someone else. As the skill of your opponent drops the effectiveness of snipe goes up.

Good sorcs are rare too. Good snipers have killed every streamer. I hit for 15-20k on most streamers. Later that night they return the two shot and tbag for five minute.

Unless they run miats and I'm at max range. Then you make them jump on and off their horse for ten minutes.