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All My Build Are Using Backhand Weapons Now
Olgierd
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Like on title all my builds are using back hand weapons. Magicka builds are Dual Wielding , staminas also dual wielding.
OK lemme explain. First i am a raw user ( I don't know what do you call this. I mean i only have base game no dlc no extra content) . So i don't have Maelstorm weapons.
Let's do a little math here.
You have got 12 sloths for your items 2 is for monster sets since they are powerfull even if you wear different sets they are like one piece sets.
You got left 10 slots right. 5 for a set 5 for another. It seems easy. But if you use something like Staff or Bow you only have 9 slots and therefore you don't enough place for 2nd set.
Here is a sample i use 5 pieces of rattlecage and 5 pieces of Treasure hunter sets for my magicka templar and also want to wear Grothhdarr. So if i use staff i can't complete one of this sets. Since most of the sets usable option is on the last piece i need to use dual swords or sword and shield for weapon. That means i cant use destruction staff abilities also cant use dual or s/b abilities because we're using a magicka build.
Another example from my sorcerer build i use 2 monster set for max magicka 3 willpower item. So i've got 7 slots left for other items if a use dual wield, 5 for a set (currently julianos), 2 for weapons. If i want to use a staff it is not going to grant me a set bonus. If i use a maelstorm staff the problem seems to be solved but remember i have no dlcs like so many players.
So i am curious about that maybe in the future is there a chance to got a new update that changes 2 handed weapons counting as a 2 piece set ?
I am also sure there are so many platers like me. Or i might be wrong
OK lemme explain. First i am a raw user ( I don't know what do you call this. I mean i only have base game no dlc no extra content) . So i don't have Maelstorm weapons.
Let's do a little math here.
You have got 12 sloths for your items 2 is for monster sets since they are powerfull even if you wear different sets they are like one piece sets.
You got left 10 slots right. 5 for a set 5 for another. It seems easy. But if you use something like Staff or Bow you only have 9 slots and therefore you don't enough place for 2nd set.
Here is a sample i use 5 pieces of rattlecage and 5 pieces of Treasure hunter sets for my magicka templar and also want to wear Grothhdarr. So if i use staff i can't complete one of this sets. Since most of the sets usable option is on the last piece i need to use dual swords or sword and shield for weapon. That means i cant use destruction staff abilities also cant use dual or s/b abilities because we're using a magicka build.
Another example from my sorcerer build i use 2 monster set for max magicka 3 willpower item. So i've got 7 slots left for other items if a use dual wield, 5 for a set (currently julianos), 2 for weapons. If i want to use a staff it is not going to grant me a set bonus. If i use a maelstorm staff the problem seems to be solved but remember i have no dlcs like so many players.
So i am curious about that maybe in the future is there a chance to got a new update that changes 2 handed weapons counting as a 2 piece set ?
I am also sure there are so many platers like me. Or i might be wrong
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Subversus✭✭✭✭✭
✭No. This would kill build diversity and the sole reason to go dw over staff/2h in pvp.0 -
Olgierd✭✭No. This would kill build diversity and the sole reason to go dw over staff/2h in pvp.
i use 2h in pvp for powerfull skills like executioner and rally i believe so many players thinks the same . I also think this has nothing to be diversity i mean 2 sword give you like %6 damage bonus and a staff gives you extra penetration so diversity can continue.1 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭A little more than 6 months ago Firor mentioned they were looking at 2H weapons and set bonus.
Nothing has been mentioned since.
Considering balance sways so much in this game I don't see it as an issue.0 -
Emma_Overload✭✭✭✭✭
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How would that be any more "broken" than the sets that dual wield nightblades and s&b dragonknights run all the time?#CAREBEARMASTERRACE2 -
Emma_Overload✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭LOL @ this stupid conception some people have of "build diversity". Apparently "build diversity" = optimal dual wield and sword & board builds + SUB-optimal destro and 2-handed builds!#CAREBEARMASTERRACE3 -
Chronicburn✭✭✭✭I like the idea. It sounds like a positive change for 2h users. Maybe give the duel wield crowd a little something extra so they are happy too1
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Olgierd✭✭
I am totally agree that.Chronicburn wrote: »I like the idea. It sounds like a positive change for 2h users. Maybe give the duel wield crowd a little something extra so they are happy too
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starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
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Armor (7), Jewelry (3), Resto/Destro (2). With each staff counting as two pieces for a set bonus.0 -
SanTii.92✭✭✭✭✭
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Cause you only need lich on back bar to proc it. So 7x armor, 3x jewellry, 2x back bar, 2x front bar = 14 slots.
Honestly, I'd fine with that. Maybe some sets should be tuned in response, but I don't feel like shield and dw are particularly weaker than the other 4 weapon lines, actually quite the opposite, so I don't see any reason why they should get the added bonus of having an extra gear slot.Edited by SanTii.92 on September 27, 2017 5:35PMWhen the snows fall and the white winds blow,
the lone wolf dies, but the pack survives.
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Thogard✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Seeing DW on a ranged magicka character is a great way to know that they're a free kill.
having to get to melee range to light attack weave and trigger wep enchants = dead sorc.PC NA - @dazkt - Dazk Ardoonkt / Sir Thogalot / Dask Dragoh’t / Dazk Dragoh’t / El Thogardo
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Phinix1✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »
Armor (7), Jewelry (3), Resto/Destro (2). With each staff counting as two pieces for a set bonus.
So you're gonna hold a staff in each hand? Because otherwise you can't have all that active at once even if they did make 2h give 2 set bonus.
As for OP, it would NOT be. It would be balanced as the other sets. It is possible to achieve 5x + 5x + 2x monster now if you use dual wield or sword/shield as the OP says, and no one is complaining about how OP it is. Some people just like to complain and keep others from getting good changes because they are passive aggressive trolls with no actual logical reason or explanation WHY it would be so much more OP than other weapons ALREADY able to do this.
This would be a welcome change that would also help frost staff tanking.
EDIT: Off topic, I about lost it here:You have got 12 sloths...
XD
Edited by Phinix1 on September 27, 2017 5:47PM1 -
PlagueSD✭✭✭✭✭
✭Back hand weapons? What are those? Weapons you attach to the back of your hands?This would be a welcome change that would also help frost staff tanking.
I actually back bar frost staff on my DK tank. Great for ranged pulls and for fights a tank is not needed. I can semi-DPS using destro staff skills.0 -
Thrymbauld✭✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »
No they don't. About a dozen/half dozen come to these threads and vehemently disagree based on things that have nothing to do with the issue. You're right, though, it's been discussed to death and as best I can see, no one has actually given a real, honest game mechanic related reason as to how two handed weapons work properly compared to the extra set bonus of doubles.
They don't dispute that dual wield with set bonuses performs at a higher DPS level.
They have this stupid concept that "one good build, all others worse" is actually build diversity, because somehow that means there is a choice. Hint: If you can choose to perform well or not perform well, you didn't really have a choice.
Often they point to trivialities like "two weapon slots count as two!", despite other items also coming in pairs(like gloves). Also, has nothing to do with the subject, it just seems to be a popular response for some reason.
They point out that back bars often use two handers/bows, etc, as if somehow using an off bar to trigger a skill, then immediately moving back changes the dynamic in some way.
I've yet to see anyone put up a "Here's how you make two handers put out the same dps" build/cp spend, etc. Believe me, I'd be game to try it if I got the opportunity to give that a spin.0 -
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✭✭✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »
How would that be any more "broken" than the sets that dual wield nightblades and s&b dragonknights run all the time?
Because then you get the same magika and spell damage as those builds plus with the insane damage added by destro weaves vs dw weaves0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »
Armor (7), Jewelry (3), Resto/Destro (2). With each staff counting as two pieces for a set bonus.
So you're gonna hold a staff in each hand? Because otherwise you can't have all that active at once even if they did make 2h give 2 set bonus.
*shrugs* I'm just telling you what they said. Unless they want the set bonuses from both weapons active at all times, in which case, I missed that somehow.0 -
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✭starkerealm wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »
Armor (7), Jewelry (3), Resto/Destro (2). With each staff counting as two pieces for a set bonus.
So you're gonna hold a staff in each hand? Because otherwise you can't have all that active at once even if they did make 2h give 2 set bonus.
*shrugs* I'm just telling you what they said. Unless they want the set bonuses from both weapons active at all times, in which case, I missed that somehow.
lich back bar is common because you can switch to the bar with 5 lich to get the regen buff and then switch back to your main damage bar.0 -
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✭✭Bad idea, they are stronger in other places to make up for it. I mean staff already is far better then swords for everything except templar and twohanded swords and not far behind DW in general. Bow is a bit different but also doesn't suffer from that.EU/PC (GER) - Healermain since 2014 - 50305 Achievement Points - Youtube (PvE Healing Guides, Builds & Gameplay)0 -
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✭✭✭Why not just make it so only the weapon in the main hand slot activates the set bonus, while the off-hand weapon is just “turned off”? Then everyone has the same number of set item bonuses to work into their build.0 -
Olgierd✭✭Why not just make it so only the weapon in the main hand slot activates the set bonus, while the off-hand weapon is just “turned off”? Then everyone has the same number of set item bonuses to work into their build.
Nah i dont like that idea why are you nerfing it down when you can buff the others ? Is this the main problem for this game ?0 -
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DW only performer better on stam Magic your way better off going Destro for everything but magplar even then it's debatable.Thrymbauld wrote: »
They don't dispute that dual wield with set bonuses performs at a higher DPS level.Emma_Overload wrote: »
They point out that back bars often use two handers/bows, etc, as if somehow using an off bar to trigger a skill, then immediately moving back changes the dynamic in some way.
I've yet to see anyone put up a "Here's how you make two handers put out the same dps" build/cp spend, etc. Believe me, I'd be game to try it if I got the opportunity to give that a spin.
Alcast made a 2h bow PVE DPS build.
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✭✭✭✭✭Doctordarkspawn wrote: »
That pesky thing Deletia was always trying to kill off. Maybe it's some kind of rodent?0 -
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✭✭Everytime i theorycraft my bow build in PVP I enjoy the diversity of having only 2 ways to use monster set (and one just got partially killed by CWC patch)Edited by SodanTok on September 27, 2017 9:40PM0