Addon for Backbar Ultimate tracking?

raasdal

So, i can find several addons that track your current slotted Addon, to give highlights, warnings etc. when Ultimate is ready.

But on my current build, i am forced to run my offensive ulti on my otherwise defensive bar, and vice versa with my defensive ultimate. This requires alot of timing, since i need to quickly switch to my backbar to use my offensive ultimate. This is made harder, because they have different cost (100 vs. 125).

If i could design something myself, it would simply be an extra Ultimate slot, next to the regular one, so i could monitor my backbar ult, while on my frontbar.

Alternatively it could be a textbased warning or something, to tell me that the backbar ulti is ready.

As i know how much ultimate i need, it could also be based on something like that. But i currently use FTC which does give Ultimate counter just above the ulti icon. But that is not enough. When engaged in heavy fighting, my peripheral vision is able to clearly see the switch from darkened icon, to brightly lightened icon on ultimate, when it is ready. So i can use it the instant it is there. But i cannot follow the numbers. For that i need to move my vision, and loose focus on the battle.

I have searched Minion, but unable to find anything. Could someone help?

Toc de Malsvi

SMH PC players...

Supportic

Why would you run a offensive ultimate in your backbar when the dmg glyphs etc. is on your frontbar?

SmellyButtocks

I tend to just remember how much is needed.

Aisle9

you can activate ulti numbers somewhere in the settings, then you only have to remember how much it costs

Olen_Mikko

That's a L2remember issue

Kneighbors

Wow... I hope OP simply didn't know it's possible to see ultimate as a number,

raasdal

Supportic wrote: »

Why would you run a offensive ultimate in your backbar when the dmg glyphs etc. is on your frontbar?

Because my Frontbar is SB and backbar is Destro. This is a requirement due to the need of Ele Drain in my build. So this is forced on me, unless i want to completely forgo the SnB ult, which would be even more stupid, than anything i could think of.

Aisle9 wrote: »

you can activate ulti numbers somewhere in the settings, then you only have to remember how much it costs

I mention this in my post. I already have that. It does not make any difference, since i cannot maintain clear visual identification of those numbers, while still playing optimally. No one can.

SmellyButtocks wrote: »

I tend to just remember how much is needed.

That is also related to above. I KNOW how much my backbar ultimate is. So if i look at my Ulticounter and see i have 110 Ulti, i know that i need to gain another 15 ulti, before i can barswap and hit the ulti. But the problem is, there is NO notificiation when that happens. So if i want to have perfect timing, and not waste any ultimate points, i need to CONSTANTLY be watching my ulti counter going from 110 to 125 ulti, in this case. That means my vision must be fixated on those numbers, for several seconds, while the actual gameplay is more in my peripheral vision and attention.

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I thought i made above quite clear in my OP, but apparently not. Hope someone can actually address the question, regarding an Addon to track ultimate points / backbar ultimate / whatever.

Niobium

Supportic wrote: »

Why would you run a offensive ultimate in your backbar when the dmg glyphs etc. is on your frontbar?

I'm curious as well.

raasdal

raasdal wrote: »

Supportic wrote: »

Why would you run a offensive ultimate in your backbar when the dmg glyphs etc. is on your frontbar?

Because my Frontbar is SB and backbar is Destro. This is a requirement due to the need of Ele Drain in my build. So this is forced on me, unless i want to completely forgo the SnB ult, which would be even more stupid, than anything i could think of.

Aisle9 wrote: »

you can activate ulti numbers somewhere in the settings, then you only have to remember how much it costs

I mention this in my post. I already have that. It does not make any difference, since i cannot maintain clear visual identification of those numbers, while still playing optimally. No one can.

SmellyButtocks wrote: »

I tend to just remember how much is needed.

That is also related to above. I KNOW how much my backbar ultimate is. So if i look at my Ulticounter and see i have 110 Ulti, i know that i need to gain another 15 ulti, before i can barswap and hit the ulti. But the problem is, there is NO notificiation when that happens. So if i want to have perfect timing, and not waste any ultimate points, i need to CONSTANTLY be watching my ulti counter going from 110 to 125 ulti, in this case. That means my vision must be fixated on those numbers, for several seconds, while the actual gameplay is more in my peripheral vision and attention.

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I thought i made above quite clear in my OP, but apparently not. Hope someone can actually address the question, regarding an Addon to track ultimate points / backbar ultimate / whatever.

Re-reading some of the comments, i guess i should also mention this is for PvP. Hence the SnB/Destro setup, and why i cant just "look at the ultinumbers", because i have 4 nightblades spamming me with gapclosers, while i am dodgerolling all over the place and trying to stay alive. Trying to look and identify exactly when i have enough ulti points to barswap, is a death sentence.

Cdub2382

Do you want an add on to swap bars for you and hit the ulti button as well? Play the game man, stop being lazy.

SmellyButtocks

raasdal wrote: »

raasdal wrote: »

Supportic wrote: »

Why would you run a offensive ultimate in your backbar when the dmg glyphs etc. is on your frontbar?

Because my Frontbar is SB and backbar is Destro. This is a requirement due to the need of Ele Drain in my build. So this is forced on me, unless i want to completely forgo the SnB ult, which would be even more stupid, than anything i could think of.

Aisle9 wrote: »

you can activate ulti numbers somewhere in the settings, then you only have to remember how much it costs

I mention this in my post. I already have that. It does not make any difference, since i cannot maintain clear visual identification of those numbers, while still playing optimally. No one can.

SmellyButtocks wrote: »

I tend to just remember how much is needed.

That is also related to above. I KNOW how much my backbar ultimate is. So if i look at my Ulticounter and see i have 110 Ulti, i know that i need to gain another 15 ulti, before i can barswap and hit the ulti. But the problem is, there is NO notificiation when that happens. So if i want to have perfect timing, and not waste any ultimate points, i need to CONSTANTLY be watching my ulti counter going from 110 to 125 ulti, in this case. That means my vision must be fixated on those numbers, for several seconds, while the actual gameplay is more in my peripheral vision and attention.

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I thought i made above quite clear in my OP, but apparently not. Hope someone can actually address the question, regarding an Addon to track ultimate points / backbar ultimate / whatever.

Re-reading some of the comments, i guess i should also mention this is for PvP. Hence the SnB/Destro setup, and why i cant just "look at the ultinumbers", because i have 4 nightblades spamming me with gapclosers, while i am dodgerolling all over the place and trying to stay alive. Trying to look and identify exactly when i have enough ulti points to barswap, is a death sentence.

Yeah I didn't even consider PvP as i haven't played much, could see it being an issue.

The only thing i can see on ESOUI that would be remotely close to what you are after is FCO Ultimate Sound but I am going to guess you have already seen that.

idk

I cannot recall not swapping to my back bar often. Also, one should know what is on their back bar and remember what the ult costs.

Aisle9

raasdal wrote: »

Aisle9 wrote: »

you can activate ulti numbers somewhere in the settings, then you only have to remember how much it costs

I mention this in my post. I already have that. It does not make any difference, since i cannot maintain clear visual identification of those numbers, while still playing optimally. No one can.

I can, that's why I told you to, but sure, ok, hope you find what you're looking for.

Rickter

This is actually a really clever question and something I hope an addon developer would consider in the near future.

I often swap bars to check and there is a delay that is less than convenient when switching back to the bar you want.

definitely would provide a slight improvement to quality of life in game. Please keep this thread updated if you find something @OP

as for the console players. please dont hate on the pc. we paid for the development of the console version for a full year. enjoy your buy to play option. cheers!

Enslaved

Supportic wrote: »

Why would you run a offensive ultimate in your backbar when the dmg glyphs etc. is on your frontbar?

Because it is either a NB with soul harvest on front bar, or a tank with shield wall on front bar.

SquareSausage

Mate...come on, you have a 25 ulti difference, that will take you 8-9 secs. Its not very hard. Have ulti number showing on your current bar. You really cant be that bad to jusdge that time and still play the game.

raasdal

Aisle9 wrote: »

raasdal wrote: »

Aisle9 wrote: »

you can activate ulti numbers somewhere in the settings, then you only have to remember how much it costs

I mention this in my post. I already have that. It does not make any difference, since i cannot maintain clear visual identification of those numbers, while still playing optimally. No one can.

I can, that's why I told you to, but sure, ok, hope you find what you're looking for.

Nah, you can't. Not physically possible for the human eye to maintain full focus on both those things. Not a matter of opinion, it is fact. Wether you believe you can play "optimally" while not really looking at the game, is an entirely valid opinion though.

SquareSausage wrote: »

Mate...come on, you have a 25 ulti difference, that will take you 8-9 secs. Its not very hard. Have ulti number showing on your current bar. You really cant be that bad to jusdge that time and still play the game.

Sigh. Really surprised at how many people don't get the general idea here.

raasdal

SmellyButtocks wrote: »

raasdal wrote: »

raasdal wrote: »

Supportic wrote: »

Why would you run a offensive ultimate in your backbar when the dmg glyphs etc. is on your frontbar?

Because my Frontbar is SB and backbar is Destro. This is a requirement due to the need of Ele Drain in my build. So this is forced on me, unless i want to completely forgo the SnB ult, which would be even more stupid, than anything i could think of.

Aisle9 wrote: »

you can activate ulti numbers somewhere in the settings, then you only have to remember how much it costs

I mention this in my post. I already have that. It does not make any difference, since i cannot maintain clear visual identification of those numbers, while still playing optimally. No one can.

SmellyButtocks wrote: »

I tend to just remember how much is needed.

That is also related to above. I KNOW how much my backbar ultimate is. So if i look at my Ulticounter and see i have 110 Ulti, i know that i need to gain another 15 ulti, before i can barswap and hit the ulti. But the problem is, there is NO notificiation when that happens. So if i want to have perfect timing, and not waste any ultimate points, i need to CONSTANTLY be watching my ulti counter going from 110 to 125 ulti, in this case. That means my vision must be fixated on those numbers, for several seconds, while the actual gameplay is more in my peripheral vision and attention.

---

I thought i made above quite clear in my OP, but apparently not. Hope someone can actually address the question, regarding an Addon to track ultimate points / backbar ultimate / whatever.

Re-reading some of the comments, i guess i should also mention this is for PvP. Hence the SnB/Destro setup, and why i cant just "look at the ultinumbers", because i have 4 nightblades spamming me with gapclosers, while i am dodgerolling all over the place and trying to stay alive. Trying to look and identify exactly when i have enough ulti points to barswap, is a death sentence.

Yeah I didn't even consider PvP as i haven't played much, could see it being an issue.

The only thing i can see on ESOUI that would be remotely close to what you are after is FCO Ultimate Sound but I am going to guess you have already seen that.

If FCO Ultimate Sound, could display the Sound, without needing to Barswap, it would be suitable. But don't think it allows for that.

SquareSausage

I think everyone gets the idea, just thinks its a really crap idea and you should be able to judge it yourself.

i mean come on, the number is written on the ulti counter for you, a quick eye glance is all it takes. srsly.

Bam_Bam

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

SMH PC players...

Hush peasant. The important people are speaking.

HatchetHaro

I just keep an eye on my ultimate. Works just fine for me.

raasdal

SquareSausage wrote: »

I think everyone gets the idea, just thinks its a really crap idea and you should be able to judge it yourself.

i mean come on, the number is written on the ulti counter for you, a quick eye glance is all it takes. srsly.

And what do you think happens, when you need to take a "quick eyeglance", while avading seven million zerglings, to determine wether you can barswap from defensive to offensive bar to hit you defensive ultimate? I will give you a hint; It involves respawning. Either you don't PvP, or still don't understand the basic premise of my situation of ultimates on wrong bars. A single second off timing, is the difference between wether you live or die. It is that simple.

No one with any suggestions on maybe something like an addon that will give warning at a specific Ultimate count ?

Aisle9

raasdal wrote: »

Aisle9 wrote: »

raasdal wrote: »

Aisle9 wrote: »

you can activate ulti numbers somewhere in the settings, then you only have to remember how much it costs

I mention this in my post. I already have that. It does not make any difference, since i cannot maintain clear visual identification of those numbers, while still playing optimally. No one can.

I can, that's why I told you to, but sure, ok, hope you find what you're looking for.

Nah, you can't. Not physically possible for the human eye to maintain full focus on both those things. Not a matter of opinion, it is fact. Wether you believe you can play "optimally" while not really looking at the game, is an entirely valid opinion though.

It's not physically possible if you use an addon either, the only difference is when you decide to check it is whether you're looking up, left, right or down.

A message telling you your ultimate is ready will pull your focus out of what you're doing anyway, for that fraction of a second.

Just saying.

I'm not really interested in jumping into a discussion about my ePeen being longer than yours to prove my point, so, again, I really do hope you find what you're looking for, and have a good day.

If you can't maintain clear visual identification of those number, sorry mate, I missed in your original post. Others can, that's why they are advising you to.

Saying none can do it while playing optimally is just false. Of course you can't maintain focus on two different things at once, but you can play plenty optimally while keeping track of your ulti numbers. Many players, myself included, can multithread activities (which is different than multitasking), like keeping track on which dot is about to expire, while dodging an attack, while animation canceling vigor with the dodge. Just an example.

Hell, there are people that can keep track of the time it takes to charge their ultis, don't even need to see the numbers.

That said, you can check RaidNotifier's functions, there's one to track your ulti % and the % of your teammates. I don't know if it works if you're not in a group (or in a trial for that matters), and I don't know if it works for backbar ultis, but it's worth a check.

raasdal

Aisle9 wrote: »

raasdal wrote: »

Aisle9 wrote: »

raasdal wrote: »

Aisle9 wrote: »

you can activate ulti numbers somewhere in the settings, then you only have to remember how much it costs

I mention this in my post. I already have that. It does not make any difference, since i cannot maintain clear visual identification of those numbers, while still playing optimally. No one can.

I can, that's why I told you to, but sure, ok, hope you find what you're looking for.

Nah, you can't. Not physically possible for the human eye to maintain full focus on both those things. Not a matter of opinion, it is fact. Wether you believe you can play "optimally" while not really looking at the game, is an entirely valid opinion though.

It's not physically possible if you use an addon either, the only difference is when you decide to check it is whether you're looking up, left, right or down.

A message telling you your ultimate is ready will pull your focus out of what you're doing anyway, for that fraction of a second.

Just saying.

I'm not really interested in jumping into a discussion about my ePeen being longer than yours to prove my point, so, again, I really do hope you find what you're looking for, and have a good day.

If you can't maintain clear visual identification of those number, sorry mate, I missed in your original post. Others can, that's why they are advising you to.

Saying none can do it while playing optimally is just false. Of course you can't maintain focus on two different things at once, but you can play plenty optimally while keeping track of your ulti numbers. Many players, myself included, can multithread activities (which is different than multitasking), like keeping track on which dot is about to expire, while dodging an attack, while animation canceling vigor with the dodge. Just an example.

Hell, there are people that can keep track of the time it takes to charge their ultis, don't even need to see the numbers.

That said, you can check RaidNotifier's functions, there's one to track your ulti % and the % of your teammates. I don't know if it works if you're not in a group (or in a trial for that matters), and I don't know if it works for backbar ultis, but it's worth a check.

Point taken, and agree on the attitude. Thanks for the hint on Raidnotifier - had not been looking in that direction. Will check it out

technohic

I used to want this but I got so used to just knowing how much my backbar ultimate costs compared to front bar then I can just guess based on percentage of my front ult is ready

SmellyButtocks

raasdal wrote: »

If FCO Ultimate Sound, could display the Sound, without needing to Barswap, it would be suitable. But don't think it allows for that.

I've just tested and it does not.

Going by the line

Set different sounds for weapon bar 1 and weapon bar 2

I figured it would allow for a different audio cue for back bar ultimate. Don't really see the point in changing anything if it doesn't.

raasdal

SmellyButtocks wrote: »

raasdal wrote: »

If FCO Ultimate Sound, could display the Sound, without needing to Barswap, it would be suitable. But don't think it allows for that.

I've just tested and it does not.

Going by the line

Set different sounds for weapon bar 1 and weapon bar 2

I figured it would allow for a different audio cue for back bar ultimate. Don't really see the point in changing anything if it doesn't.

Ah, thanks for testing that, and sharing

Toc de Malsvi

Rickter wrote: »

This is actually a really clever question and something I hope an addon developer would consider in the near future.

I often swap bars to check and there is a delay that is less than convenient when switching back to the bar you want.

definitely would provide a slight improvement to quality of life in game. Please keep this thread updated if you find something @OP

as for the console players. please dont hate on the pc. we paid for the development of the console version for a full year. enjoy your buy to play option. cheers!

You didn't "pay" for the development it was already being developed, ZOS dropped the ball on the release. I was there on PC and left for console which is IMHO a far better playing environment. But of course you might need an addon for that.

Toc de Malsvi

Baranthus wrote: »

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

SMH PC players...

Hush peasant. The important people are speaking.

Have the game on both platforms, perhaps you should get on my level bruh!