Templars Major Sorcery & Major Brutality??

Shado187

Why is Templar the only class that does not have a skill that gives Major Sorcery or Major Brutality? NB's have Drain Power, DK's have Molten Weapons, Warden's have Betty Netch and Sorc's have Surge.

Asardes

Yes, but Templars have access to:
- Major Savagery from Biting Jabs
- Major Prophecy from Sun Fire & morphs
- Minor Sorcery when using any of the Dawn's Wrath class skills (Illuminate passive)
There's no class that has access to all buffs.

Saint314Louis1985

structured entropy

or rattlecage if pvp

Lexxypwns

Saint314Louis1985 wrote: »

structured entropy

or rattlecage if pvp

rattlecage is pretty bad tbh. Just use spell power pots and a good set or slot degenration. Structured entropy is bad because if you don't double bar it you will sometimes put yourself into execute range just by bar swapping, something that can be instantly fatal against sorcs and extremely dangerous against other builds.

Skander

Asardes wrote: »

Yes, but Templars have access to:
- Major Savagery from Biting Jabs
- Major Prophecy from Sun Fire & morphs
- Minor Sorcery when using any of the Dawn's Wrath class skills (Illuminate passive)
There's no class that has access to all buffs.

And dks have minor brutality, stamsorc have major brutality AND a dot heal for surge.

member that they didn't give major sorcery to templars couse they had major mending.

That's not the case anymore

AtraisMachina

Potions.

Lexxypwns

Skander wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

Yes, but Templars have access to:
- Major Savagery from Biting Jabs
- Major Prophecy from Sun Fire & morphs
- Minor Sorcery when using any of the Dawn's Wrath class skills (Illuminate passive)
There's no class that has access to all buffs.

And dks have minor brutality, stamsorc have major brutality AND a dot heal for surge.

member that they didn't give major sorcery to templars couse they had major mending.

That's not the case anymore

I think it wasn't given because there's no logical place for it. All of the usable templar damage skills already have secondary buff effects and all of the buff abilities are in a decent spot relative to other, non-warden, classes.

AtraisMachina wrote: »

Potions.

+1

Minno

Skander wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

Yes, but Templars have access to:
- Major Savagery from Biting Jabs
- Major Prophecy from Sun Fire & morphs
- Minor Sorcery when using any of the Dawn's Wrath class skills (Illuminate passive)
There's no class that has access to all buffs.

And dks have minor brutality, stamsorc have major brutality AND a dot heal for surge.

member that they didn't give major sorcery to templars couse they had major mending.

That's not the case anymore

Minor vitality+minor mending from the passive = 16% healing boost. Major mending is 25% (9% missing).

While not much having 16% extra healing from one skill buff is damn good, and why they removed major mending from our toolkit. Before, players were getting 33% extra healing from this spell plus the minor protection buff making our passive too op.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

It is part of the plan, zos has stated that they don't want all classes to have all buffs in class. As stated, there are buffs that temps get that other classes don't get, like major prophecy on a sorc, without going outside the class to get it.

GaunterODim

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

It is part of the plan, zos has stated that they don't want all classes to have all buffs in class. As stated, there are buffs that temps get that other classes don't get, like major prophecy on a sorc, without going outside the class to get it.

would be cool if theyd take away some useless buff from warden and create an additional dot or anything else good for pve. I want to like my magwarden and bird of prey, but I just cant because of the short duration and high cost.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

GaunterODim wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

It is part of the plan, zos has stated that they don't want all classes to have all buffs in class. As stated, there are buffs that temps get that other classes don't get, like major prophecy on a sorc, without going outside the class to get it.

would be cool if theyd take away some useless buff from warden and create an additional dot or anything else good for pve. I want to like my magwarden and bird of prey, but I just cant because of the short duration and high cost.

The thing the warden lacks is an easy to use and reliable stun. And you really ought not use bird of prey in pve, it brings nothing to the table but a buff that healers ought to be giving you. The only other class that has the buff is nb and Grim focus does assassins will, that is the DPS increase, not minor berserk, I mean in pve.

Shado187

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

It is part of the plan, zos has stated that they don't want all classes to have all buffs in class. As stated, there are buffs that temps get that other classes don't get, like major prophecy on a sorc, without going outside the class to get it.

OK EVERYONE LISTEN UP!! We all know every class has different buffs making them unique but all classes have those other buffs + Major Brutality & Major Sorcery except Templars, You cant give 4 out 5 classes Major Brutality & Major Sorcery buffs+ other buffs then tell the 5th class "sorry you cant have these buffs because you have other buffs"
ლ(ಠ_ಠ ლ) makes no sense!

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Shado187 wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

It is part of the plan, zos has stated that they don't want all classes to have all buffs in class. As stated, there are buffs that temps get that other classes don't get, like major prophecy on a sorc, without going outside the class to get it.

OK EVERYONE LISTEN UP!! We all know every class has different buffs making them unique but all classes have those other buffs + Major Brutality & Major Sorcery except Templars, You cant give 4 out 5 classes Major Brutality & Major Sorcery buffs+ other buffs then tell the 5th class "sorry you cant have these buffs because you have other buffs"
ლ(ಠ_ಠ ლ) makes no sense!

Why don't sorcerers has access to major prophecy? Or nightblades? The other 3 classes have access to that buff, why are you not asking about that?

AcadianPaladin

My magsorc is built for high crit to support her healing - that results from her major sorcery surge. Therefore, she runs tri-stat potions that include healing.

My magplar healer has tons of healing but no major sorcery and her crit is not that high. So she runs a spell power + mag + crit potion in her quickslot.

As far as your actual question regarding class diffs, I'm not smart enough to know.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

@AcadianPaladin I am not sure what your response was about but you don't have to be the brightest bulb on the tree to understand that it is a simple design choice by Zos, they don't want every class to to have the same in class buffs. Simple as that.

Cybercore_Death

A very simple solution is to nerf the mSroc to high heaven and make it the worst class to play in the game and force everyone to change and mix it up a bit.

Lets be honest mSorcs are well overdue a good nerf.

Chilly-McFreeze

Shado187 wrote: »

Why is Templar the only class that does not have a skill that gives Major Sorcery or Major Brutality? NB's have Drain Power, DK's have Molten Weapons, Warden's have Betty Netch and Sorc's have Surge.

Why does Sorcs have no spam? Why does DK have no execute? Why only wardens have class "stam heals"? See where this is going?

Shado187

List of all Buffs available to each class, Point is there is no reason why Templars should not have a class ability granting Major Sorcery/Brutality Buffs! Would a DEV care to explain why they intentionally did not give Templars Major Sorcery/Brutality but did give the other 4 classes these buffs? And why is Templar the only class without Major Expedition buff? You cant say because Templars have this and that Because every class has something the next class doesn't that's what separates the classes from each other but you cant give 4 classes all the same buffs and then say the Hell with the 5th class without giving them something equally in return! There is no Buffs Templars have that would make it OP to also give them Major Sorc/Brutality buffs and Major Expedition since that too was brought to my attention.

Major Resolve & Major Ward
Sorc- Lightning Form+ Morphs
Tempar- Rune Focus+ Morphs
Nightblade- Shadow Barrier passive
DK- Spiked Armor+ Morphs
Warden- Frost Cloak+ Morphs

Minor Resolve
Sorc- Bound Armor+ Morphs
Nightblade- Mirage (Blur morph)
DK- Stone Giant (Stone Fist morph)

Minor Ward
Sorc- Bound Aegis (Bound Armor Morph)
Nightblade- Mirage (Blur morph)
DK- Reflective Plate (Reflective Scales morph)

Major Fortitude
DK- Dragon Blood+ Morphs

Minor Fortitude
Templar- Restoring Aura+ Morphs

Major Endurance
DK- Green Dragon Blood (dragon blood morph)
Warden- Falcon's Swiftness+ morphs

Minor Endurance
Templar- Restoring Aura+ Morphs
Nightblade- Relentless focus (grim focus morph)
Warden- Enchanted Growth (Fungal Growth morph)

Minor Intellect
Sorc- Empowered Ward (Conjured Ward morph)
Templar- Restoring Aura+ Morphs
Warden- Enchanted Growth (Fungal Growth morph)

Major Sorcery
Sorc- Power Surge (Surge morph)
Nightblade- Sap Essence (Drain Power morph)
DK- Molten Weapons+ morphs
Warden- Betty Netch+ morphs

Minor Sorcery
Templar- Illuminate passive

Major Prophecy
Templar- Sun Fire+ morphs
DK- Inferno+ morphs
Warden- Lotus Blossom (Lotus Flower morph)

Minor Prophecy
Sorc- Exploitation passive

Major Brutality
Sorc- Surge+ morphs
Nightblade- Drain Power+ morphs
DK- Igneous Weapons (Molten Weapons morph)
Warden- Bull Netch (Betty Netch morph)

Minor Brutality
DK- Mountain's Blessing passive

Major Savagery
Templar- Biting Jabs (Puncturing Strikes morph)
DK- Flames of Oblivion (Inferno morph)
Warden- Green Lotus (Lotus Flower Morph)

Minor Savagery
Nightblade- Hemorrhage passive

Major Beserk
Sorc- Summon Storm Atronach+ morphs
Nightblade- Reaper's Mark (Mark Target morph)

Minor Beserk
Nightblade- Grim Focus+ morphs
Warden- Bird of Prey (Falcon's Swiftness morph)

Major Vitality
Nightblade- Soul Siphon (Soul Shred morph)

Minor Vitality
Templar- Restoring Focus (Rune Focus morph)
Nightblade- Swallow Soul (Strife morph)
DK- Green Dragon Blood (Dragon Blood morph)

Major Mending
Warden- Accelerated Growth
DK- Igneous Shield (Obsidian shield morph)

Minor Mending
Templar- Sacred Ground passive

Major Protection
Nightblade- Consuming Darkness+ morphs
Warden- Sleet Storm+ morphs

Minor Protection
Templar- Restoring Focus (Rune Focus morph)
Nightblade- Dark Cloak (Shadow Cloak morph)
Warden- Ice Fortress (Frost Cloak morph)

Major Evasion
Nightblade- Blur+ morphs

Minor Evasion
Warden- Deceptive Predator (Falcon's Swiftness morph)

Major Expedition
Sorc- Boundless Storm (Lightning Form morph)
Nightblade- Double Take (Blur morph)
Nightblade- Path of Darkness+ morphs
Nightblade- Cripple+ morphs
DK- Fiery Grip+ Morphs
Warden- Falcon's Swiftness+ Morphs

Minor Expedition
Sorc- Hurricane (Lightning Form morph)

Major Heroism
Warden- Shimmering Shield (Crystallized Shield morph)

Minor Lifesteal
Warden- Leeching Vines (Living Vines morph)

Empower
Nightblade- Ambush (Teleport Strike morph)
DK- Empowering Chains (Fiery Grip morph)
Templar- Solar Flare+ morphs

Minor Toughness
Warden- Maturation passive

I may have miscounted but I believe the tally for who has the most buffs is:
Sorc's-10
Templar-11
NB-15
DK-14
Warden-17

Juhasow

Shado187 wrote: »

List of all Buffs available to each class there is no reason why Templars do not have Major Sorcery/Brutality Buffs in fact I believe Sorcs, NB's and Wardens have the most Buffs but I would have to tally them up to be sure.


Major Resolve & Major Ward
Sorc- Lightning Form+ Morphs
Tempar- Rune Focus+ Morphs
Nightblade- Shadow Barrier passive
DK- Spiked Armor+ Morphs
Warden- Frost Cloak+ Morphs

Minor Resolve
Sorc- Bound Armor+ Morphs
Nightblade- Mirage (Blur morph)
DK- Stone Giant (Stone Fist morph)

Minor Ward
Sorc- Bound Aegis (Bound Armor Morph)
Nightblade- Mirage (Blur morph)
DK- Reflective Plate (Reflective Scales morph)

Major Fortitude
DK- Dragon Blood+ Morphs

Minor Fortitude
Templar- Restoring Aura+ Morphs

Major Endurance
DK- Green Dragon Blood (dragon blood morph)
Warden- Falcon's Swiftness+ morphs

Minor Endurance
Templar- Restoring Aura+ Morphs
Nightblade- Relentless focus (grim focus morph)
Warden- Enchanted Growth (Fungal Growth morph)

Minor Intellect
Sorc- Empowered Ward (Conjured Ward morph)
Templar- Restoring Aura+ Morphs
Warden- Enchanted Growth (Fungal Growth morph)

Major Sorcery
Sorc- Power Surge (Surge morph)
Nightblade- Sap Essence (Drain Power morph)
DK- Molten Weapons+ morphs
Warden- Betty Netch+ morphs

Minor Sorcery
Templar- Illuminate passive
Major Prophecy
Templar- Sun Fire+ morphs
DK- Inferno+ morphs
Warden- Lotus Blossom (Lotus Flower morph)

Minor Prophecy
Sorc- Exploitation passive

Major Brutality
Sorc- Surge+ morphs
Nightblade- Drain Power+ morphs
DK- Igneous Weapons (Molten Weapons morph)
Warden- Bull Netch (Betty Netch morph)

Minor Brutality
DK- Mountain's Blessing passive

Major Savagery
Templar- Biting Jabs (Puncturing Strikes morph)
DK- Flames of Oblivion (Inferno morph)
Warden- Green Lotus (Lotus Flower Morph)

Minor Savagery
Nightblade- Hemorrhage passive

Major Beserk
Sorc- Summon Storm Atronach+ morphs
Nightblade- Reaper's Mark (Mark Target morph)

Minor Beserk
Nightblade- Grim Focus+ morphs
Warden- Bird of Prey (Falcon's Swiftness morph)

Major Vitality
Nightblade- Soul Siphon (Soul Shred morph)

Minor Vitality
Templar- Restoring Focus (Rune Focus morph)
Nightblade- Swallow Soul (Strife morph)
DK- Green Dragon Blood (Dragon Blood morph)

Major Mending
Warden- Accelerated Growth
DK- Igneous Shield (Obsidian shield morph)

Minor Mending
Templar- Sacred Ground passive

Major Protection
Nightblade- Consuming Darkness+ morphs
Warden- Sleet Storm+ morphs

Minor Protection
Templar- Restoring Focus (Rune Focus morph)
Nightblade- Dark Cloak (Shadow Cloak morph)
Warden- Ice Fortress (Frost Cloak morph)

Major Evasion
Nightblade- Blur+ morphs

Minor Evasion
Warden- Deceptive Predator (Falcon's Swiftness morph)

Major Expedition
Sorc- Boundless Storm (Lightning Form morph)
Nightblade- Double Take (Blur morph)
Nightblade- Path of Darkness+ morphs
Nightblade- Cripple+ morphs
DK- Fiery Grip+ Morphs
Warden- Falcon's Swiftness+ Morphs

Minor Expedition
Sorc- Hurricane (Lightning Form morph)

Major Heroism
Warden- Shimmering Shield (Crystallized Shield morph)

Minor Lifesteal
Warden- Leeching Vines (Living Vines morph)

Empower
Nightblade- Ambush (Teleport Strike morph)
DK- Empowering Chains (Fiery Grip morph)
Templar- Solar Flare+ morphs

Minor Toughness
Warden- Maturation passive

You cant just post list of buffs every class have and compare them straight forward. You need to consider ways that some class get it because some buff are accesible for certain classes in wierder/shorter ways then for the others. There are classes that despite having some buff from class skill lines preffer to use it from other ones like for example entropy beeing used by Dk's or Nb's etc. Also there are not just buffs that some classs have and some doesnt. Templar for example is the only class that can cleanse debuffs. You need to take things like that under consideration.

Minno

Shado187 wrote: »

List of all Buffs available to each class there is no reason why Templars do not have Major Sorcery/Brutality Buffs in fact I believe Sorcs, NB's and Wardens have the most Buffs but I would have to tally them up to be sure.


Major Resolve & Major Ward
Sorc- Lightning Form+ Morphs
Tempar- Rune Focus+ Morphs
Nightblade- Shadow Barrier passive
DK- Spiked Armor+ Morphs
Warden- Frost Cloak+ Morphs

Minor Resolve
Sorc- Bound Armor+ Morphs
Nightblade- Mirage (Blur morph)
DK- Stone Giant (Stone Fist morph)

Minor Ward
Sorc- Bound Aegis (Bound Armor Morph)
Nightblade- Mirage (Blur morph)
DK- Reflective Plate (Reflective Scales morph)

Major Fortitude
DK- Dragon Blood+ Morphs

Minor Fortitude
Templar- Restoring Aura+ Morphs

Major Endurance
DK- Green Dragon Blood (dragon blood morph)
Warden- Falcon's Swiftness+ morphs

Minor Endurance
Templar- Restoring Aura+ Morphs
Nightblade- Relentless focus (grim focus morph)
Warden- Enchanted Growth (Fungal Growth morph)

Minor Intellect
Sorc- Empowered Ward (Conjured Ward morph)
Templar- Restoring Aura+ Morphs
Warden- Enchanted Growth (Fungal Growth morph)

Major Sorcery
Sorc- Power Surge (Surge morph)
Nightblade- Sap Essence (Drain Power morph)
DK- Molten Weapons+ morphs
Warden- Betty Netch+ morphs

Minor Sorcery
Templar- Illuminate passive
Major Prophecy
Templar- Sun Fire+ morphs
DK- Inferno+ morphs
Warden- Lotus Blossom (Lotus Flower morph)

Minor Prophecy
Sorc- Exploitation passive

Major Brutality
Sorc- Surge+ morphs
Nightblade- Drain Power+ morphs
DK- Igneous Weapons (Molten Weapons morph)
Warden- Bull Netch (Betty Netch morph)

Minor Brutality
DK- Mountain's Blessing passive

Major Savagery
Templar- Biting Jabs (Puncturing Strikes morph)
DK- Flames of Oblivion (Inferno morph)
Warden- Green Lotus (Lotus Flower Morph)

Minor Savagery
Nightblade- Hemorrhage passive

Major Beserk
Sorc- Summon Storm Atronach+ morphs
Nightblade- Reaper's Mark (Mark Target morph)

Minor Beserk
Nightblade- Grim Focus+ morphs
Warden- Bird of Prey (Falcon's Swiftness morph)

Major Vitality
Nightblade- Soul Siphon (Soul Shred morph)

Minor Vitality
Templar- Restoring Focus (Rune Focus morph)
Nightblade- Swallow Soul (Strife morph)
DK- Green Dragon Blood (Dragon Blood morph)

Major Mending
Warden- Accelerated Growth
DK- Igneous Shield (Obsidian shield morph)

Minor Mending
Templar- Sacred Ground passive

Major Protection
Nightblade- Consuming Darkness+ morphs
Warden- Sleet Storm+ morphs

Minor Protection
Templar- Restoring Focus (Rune Focus morph)
Nightblade- Dark Cloak (Shadow Cloak morph)
Warden- Ice Fortress (Frost Cloak morph)

Major Evasion
Nightblade- Blur+ morphs

Minor Evasion
Warden- Deceptive Predator (Falcon's Swiftness morph)

Major Expedition
Sorc- Boundless Storm (Lightning Form morph)
Nightblade- Double Take (Blur morph)
Nightblade- Path of Darkness+ morphs
Nightblade- Cripple+ morphs
DK- Fiery Grip+ Morphs
Warden- Falcon's Swiftness+ Morphs

Minor Expedition
Sorc- Hurricane (Lightning Form morph)

Major Heroism
Warden- Shimmering Shield (Crystallized Shield morph)

Minor Lifesteal
Warden- Leeching Vines (Living Vines morph)

Empower
Nightblade- Ambush (Teleport Strike morph)
DK- Empowering Chains (Fiery Grip morph)
Templar- Solar Flare+ morphs

Minor Toughness
Warden- Maturation passive

-Though we have purge that completely locks out dots, debuffs, and other negative effects.
- extra healing based on the severity of our wounds (you can go from execute range to full health in one BoL ig you use Restoring focus. Very very strong)
-Restoring focus also provides minor vitality, minor mending, and minor protection for 8 seconds after leaving the rune plus an armor resist buff.
-we have an undodgeable aoe cone spam attack plus a ranged execute that also ignores refects/dodges.
- And 10% extra DMG on blocked targets (might not be much, but consider no other class has this passive)

There's a reason they are making us work for that major sorcery. Otherwise, which of these would you like to be removed? Because you know ZOS will remove one of those or nerf one hard to compensate for the change. Look at when we received purifying light buffs as an example; we lost major mending shortly thereafter. And when we got Jesus beam, they removed our only AOE cc ability.

It's ok to not get major sorcery in the class toolkit; degeneration is BiS for Templars due to the heal on light attacks, the major sorcery buff, the small hot+heal+dot, and mage guild buffs. You'll still be using it after you get major sorcery added, because they probably place it on a skill no one uses forcing your bar setup to be weird anyway.

DeadlyRecluse

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

Yes, but Templars have access to:
- Major Savagery from Biting Jabs
- Major Prophecy from Sun Fire & morphs
- Minor Sorcery when using any of the Dawn's Wrath class skills (Illuminate passive)
There's no class that has access to all buffs.

And dks have minor brutality, stamsorc have major brutality AND a dot heal for surge.

member that they didn't give major sorcery to templars couse they had major mending.

That's not the case anymore

I think it wasn't given because there's no logical place for it. All of the usable templar damage skills already have secondary buff effects and all of the buff abilities are in a decent spot relative to other, non-warden, classes.

I think there are plenty of places you could put it now, though:

1. Add it to the new morph of solar flare, remove the empower.
2. Add it to rune focus.
3. Give Major sorcery for X seconds after casting Healing Ritual. Just kidding, that would be terrible. Funny though.

technohic

I'd rather have some mobility and decent CC

Minno

technohic wrote: »

I'd rather have some mobility and decent CC

I agree , id rather have the unblockable cc that other classes now have.

Shado187

technohic wrote: »

I'd rather have some mobility and decent CC

That's another buff Templars lack but the other 4 classes have but everyone gets *** over Templars getting buffs because we are a healing class yet Warden can be played as a healing class and has the most buffs of all classes (think that's proof of a pay to win or an attempt at it) To me by Zeni not giving Major Sorcery/Brutality & Major Expedition Buff to the Templar class is like them saying NB, Sorcs, DKs, & Wardens all deserve to have more Mobility and more Damage then the Templar class and that shouldn't be how it is!

Major Expedition
Sorc- Boundless Storm (Lightning Form morph)
Nightblade- Double Take (Blur morph)
Nightblade- Path of Darkness+ morphs
Nightblade- Cripple+ morphs
DK- Fiery Grip+ Morphs
Warden- Falcon's Swiftness+ Morphs
Minor Expedition
Sorc- Hurricane (Lightning Form morph)
Major Brutality
Sorc- Surge+ morphs
Nightblade- Drain Power+ morphs
DK- Igneous Weapons (Molten Weapons morph)
Warden- Bull Netch (Betty Netch morph)
Major Sorcery
Sorc- Power Surge (Surge morph)
Nightblade- Sap Essence (Drain Power morph)
DK- Molten Weapons+ morphs
Warden- Betty Netch+ morphs

Chilly-McFreeze

technohic wrote: »

I'd rather have some mobility and decent CC

DK and Templar aren'T designed to be mobile, but they have the tools to stand their ground that sorcs and NB haven't. Although I agree with the CC. I can see no reason for the current changes to Rune Cage and Petrify, so a little push for Templar CC wouldn't hurt, I guess. Any Idea how to change which skill to implement a good stun?

technohic

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

technohic wrote: »

I'd rather have some mobility and decent CC

DK and Templar aren'T designed to be mobile, but they have the tools to stand their ground that sorcs and NB haven't. Although I agree with the CC. I can see no reason for the current changes to Rune Cage and Petrify, so a little push for Templar CC wouldn't hurt, I guess. Any Idea how to change which skill to implement a good stun?

They could give up on Eclipse being a poor mans reflect and focus it more as actually being a good CC. OR, return the CC to luminous shards to match what DK and sorcs are getting. This solar barrage morph could be a possibility as well. I'd even take a delayed version of blinding flash on it.

Minno

technohic wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

technohic wrote: »

I'd rather have some mobility and decent CC

DK and Templar aren'T designed to be mobile, but they have the tools to stand their ground that sorcs and NB haven't. Although I agree with the CC. I can see no reason for the current changes to Rune Cage and Petrify, so a little push for Templar CC wouldn't hurt, I guess. Any Idea how to change which skill to implement a good stun?

They could give up on Eclipse being a poor mans reflect and focus it more as actually being a good CC. OR, return the CC to luminous shards to match what DK and sorcs are getting. This solar barrage morph could be a possibility as well. I'd even take a delayed version of blinding flash on it.

Here's my wild idea:
- Light Weaver passive is changed to buff the skill line to account for the missing major mending. It could be like this
"Increases the duration of Restoring Aura by 20%, while Restoring aura is active, your comforting light extends cc immunity for you by x%.

Healing Ritual grants 2 Ultimate to allies under 60% Health. The blinding light you emit, stuns enemies within the radius around you.

Channeling Rite of Passage grants you 16500 armor, the light emitted envelopes enemies who hit you to be inflicted with minor defile. "

This way restoration skill line provides extra utility for players, making it unique versus wardens who have strong access to status effects and to major/minor buffs for the party, for PvP at least. And having an unblockable cc tied to healing ritual means that can be interrupted but it will cc everyone in range of it making it different than healing springs.

Lexxypwns

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

Yes, but Templars have access to:
- Major Savagery from Biting Jabs
- Major Prophecy from Sun Fire & morphs
- Minor Sorcery when using any of the Dawn's Wrath class skills (Illuminate passive)
There's no class that has access to all buffs.

And dks have minor brutality, stamsorc have major brutality AND a dot heal for surge.

member that they didn't give major sorcery to templars couse they had major mending.

That's not the case anymore

I think it wasn't given because there's no logical place for it. All of the usable templar damage skills already have secondary buff effects and all of the buff abilities are in a decent spot relative to other, non-warden, classes.

I think there are plenty of places you could put it now, though:

1. Add it to the new morph of solar flare, remove the empower.
2. Add it to rune focus.
3. Give Major sorcery for X seconds after casting Healing Ritual. Just kidding, that would be terrible. Funny though.

1. That's fine, but then you've got the issue of major sorcery being tied to a cast time ability, making it unreliable to proc in combat and therefore only useful in short fights. Having expensive, cast-time, abilities give you a buff is just as bad as not having it
2. lol, rune focus is one of the most profitable casts a templar has as is, adding more to it would be asinine and overpowered
3. So, major sorcery on one cast time ability is bad and you recognize that but you wholeheartedly suggest that you should get it from a different cast time ability?