Velidreth or Selene PVE

xRichh94

Hi, my character is a woodelf stamblade with velidreth but I am just wondering is Selene actually going to serve me better as I am mostly single target? Thanks.

Asardes

Also Velidreth is better due to the 1p 129 weapon damage bonus which boosts your DPS more than the 1p 1096 max stamina from Selene. First, because the former gets boosted by 25% by major+minor brutality to 165 while the latter only gets boosted by 6% from racial passive, another 2-6% from undaunted mettle passive and 10% from warhorn. So a maximum of 22% if you go 1/5/1 or just 20% if you go all medium. So between 1337 and 1315 depending on your gear; dividing that by 10.24 gets you the "weapon power" which is the contribution that extra stamina makes to you skill tooltips. In this case it's 130 and 128 respectively. Which is lower than the weapon damage that enters in the tooltip undivided. Also for light and heavy attacks scale differently with max stamina divided by about 40 so having higher weapon damage boosts their damage more. They should make up about 10% of your DPS which is not negligible.

Also Velidreth tends to proc more since it does so from any damage dealt, not only melee damage like Selene. None of your typical bow bar skills like poison injection, endless hail, razor caltrops or trap are considered melee. So overall the DPS from Velidreth will be higher than Selene even in single target fights.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

xRichh94 wrote: »

I have spriggans and two sharpened weapons, how much penetration do you think I will need in a 4 man dungeon? Considering other players having NMG, crusher enchant and the like.

You need to get to 18.2K. There is no complicated math involved. You just need to subtract. NM gives 2580. A crusher glyph is 1622, with infused or torugs its 2108, with both it's 2740. That leaves 12,880 left if you have both buffs active and the tank is running infused torugs. Is that likely in a random group, no, but certainly possible in good 4 mans.

As a general rule of thumb, penetration is your best buff until you are at the cap. There are diminishing returns as you get a little closer to the cap, and you want to avoid going over.

Base penetration is 100, Spriggans gives 3450, double sharp gives 2752, Krags gives 1487, Lover gives 4196. Not saying you necessarily run all, but if you did, you would need to make up about 895 with CP.

There is no magic to it. You just need to figure out what you can reasonably expect to get from your group and use gear, CP, mundus to make up the rest. For 4 man stuff, I would probably error on the side of being a little under 18.2k pen.

cjhhickman39

Myself for pve I think veli is better because you rarely fight a single target,so you are still hitting the whole mob while bursting down your main target

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Do you only fight Manti and target dummies on repeat? The game is not "mostly single target", so how can you be? Dont get me wrong, I understand you are saying that you build for ST, but so does everyone. Veli is better both because trash needs to die and because a lot of trial bosses have hit boxes that are big enough so veli gets multiple hits. Cleave damage is very important in this game. Most burn strats in trials rely on adds dying to cleave. Assuming you are at the pen cap, veli is your best bet. If not, krags is your best ST set IMO.

Vapirko

Veli is slightly better as it procs just slightly more often I believe. And it has the multiple target perk. Selenes is fine as a purely single target place holder, but it's just not as good especially for solo content like vma.

AverageJo3Gam3r

Kragh if you're not at the penetration cap of 18k. Veli if you are.

wesmont65

AverageJo3Gam3r wrote: »

Kragh if you're not at the penetration cap of 18k. Veli if you are.

I prefer to go Veli anyway even if I am not at the pen cap. I can always get there through Piercing (especially now with CWC's 690 cp) but that's my personal preference.

SoLooney

veli, i dont like the range of selene and i prefer the weapon damage over stamina

Izaki

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Do you only fight Manti and target dummies on repeat? The game is not "mostly single target", so how can you be? Dont get me wrong, I understand you are saying that you build for ST, but so does everyone. Veli is better both because trash needs to die and because a lot of trial bosses have hit boxes that are big enough so veli gets multiple hits. Cleave damage is very important in this game. Most burn strats in trials rely on adds dying to cleave. Assuming you are at the pen cap, veli is your best bet. If not, krags is your best ST set IMO.

Amen.

Izaki

Asardes wrote: »

Also Velidreth is better due to the 1p 129 weapon damage bonus which boosts your DPS more than the 1p 1096 max stamina from Selene. First, because the former gets boosted by 25% by major+minor brutality to 165 while the latter only gets boosted by 6% from racial passive, another 2-6% from undaunted mettle passive and 10% from warhorn. So a maximum of 22% if you go 1/5/1 or just 20% if you go all medium. So between 1337 and 1315 depending on your gear; dividing that by 10.24 gets you the "weapon power" which is the contribution that extra stamina makes to you skill tooltips. In this case it's 130 and 128 respectively. Which is lower than the weapon damage that enters in the tooltip undivided. Also for light and heavy attacks scale differently with max stamina divided by about 40 so having higher weapon damage boosts their damage more. They should make up about 10% of your DPS which is not negligible.

Also Velidreth tends to proc more since it does so from any damage dealt, not only melee damage like Selene. None of your typical bow bar skills like poison injection, endless hail, razor caltrops or trap are considered melee. So overall the DPS from Velidreth will be higher than Selene even in single target fights.

Light and Heavy attacks are more than 10% nowadays. On a Stamblade (the class that HAs the least) it makes up about 15% of my damage (that's DW LAs, DW HAs and Bow LAs combined).

xRichh94

Alright we'll thank you very much for all the information everyone, I'll build into piercing cp and stick with my velidreth. Thanks

Izaki

xRichh94 wrote: »

Alright we'll thank you very much for all the information everyone, I'll build into piercing cp and stick with my velidreth. Thanks

Or you can use Kra'gh. It depends on how much penetration you're lacking.

xRichh94

I have spriggans and two sharpened weapons, how much penetration do you think I will need in a 4 man dungeon? Considering other players having NMG, crusher enchant and the like.