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Regarding Transmutation and trait changing weapons/gear
Wrecking_Blow_Spam
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So it's cost 40 ATM, assume based on patch notes 1 per random vet dungeon.
Likely subject to change but from this info it seems better just to farm for any needed BoP gear e.g BSW divines, then only use 40 crystals for that rare weapon drop trait change e.g infused moondancer staff or something.
So people saying the sky is falling on trading are likely wrong as I doubt everyone is gunna waste 40 stones on a BOE item they could buy for 5-20k in divines.
Likely subject to change but from this info it seems better just to farm for any needed BoP gear e.g BSW divines, then only use 40 crystals for that rare weapon drop trait change e.g infused moondancer staff or something.
So people saying the sky is falling on trading are likely wrong as I doubt everyone is gunna waste 40 stones on a BOE item they could buy for 5-20k in divines.
Xbox one EU
8 Flawless conquerors on all class specs (4 stam, 4 magicka)
Doesn't stand in red
8 Flawless conquerors on all class specs (4 stam, 4 magicka)
Doesn't stand in red
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✭✭Yep, it's great for weapons but I doubt any but the laziest will use it on armor. I mean even 40 vet Spindle runs takes like 30hrs for the absolute best of groups and that's assuming back to back with no repairs.
I'm hoping they add a larger amount to completing HM versions and trials etc.
Wouldn't it be a good troll if say training is 10 stones whereas infused and precise are 100 stones
PC Master Race
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8 Flawless Toons, all Classes.
Master Angler
Dro-M'artha Destroyer (at last)
Tamriel Hero
Grand Overlord
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supaskrub✭✭✭✭✭Ermmm, that's how its intended to work and it was plain to see from the outset when Transmutation was first announced, sure you can retrait anything to whatever you want but common sense says unless you are drowning in crystals then you just would not retrait BoE, In effect Transmutation is a token system but instead of exchanging [X] amount of tokens for a paticular set piece you need to get that set piece first and use your "tokens" to retrait it.
These crystals are not going to be raining from the sky so that you can retrait anything that takes your fancy. The Guild Store and zone traders will still prosper.Edited by supaskrub on September 19, 2017 8:30AM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭DRXHarbinger wrote: »Yep, it's great for weapons but I doubt any but the laziest will use it on armor. I mean even 40 vet Spindle runs takes like 30hrs for the absolute best of groups and that's assuming back to back with no repairs.
I'm hoping they add a larger amount to completing HM versions and trials etc.
Wouldn't it be a good troll if say training is 10 stones whereas infused and precise are 100 stones
Those monster helmets ain´t going to retrait themselves (looking at you velidreth mask)0 -
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✭DRXHarbinger wrote: »Yep, it's great for weapons but I doubt any but the laziest will use it on armor. I mean even 40 vet Spindle runs takes like 30hrs for the absolute best of groups and that's assuming back to back with no repairs.
I'm hoping they add a larger amount to completing HM versions and trials etc.
Wouldn't it be a good troll if say training is 10 stones whereas infused and precise are 100 stones
Yes hopefully plus in patch notes they mentioned in random vets, if it throws you in dlc dungeons would be even longerXbox one EU
8 Flawless conquerors on all class specs (4 stam, 4 magicka)
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✭Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »DRXHarbinger wrote: »Yep, it's great for weapons but I doubt any but the laziest will use it on armor. I mean even 40 vet Spindle runs takes like 30hrs for the absolute best of groups and that's assuming back to back with no repairs.
I'm hoping they add a larger amount to completing HM versions and trials etc.
Wouldn't it be a good troll if say training is 10 stones whereas infused and precise are 100 stones
Yes hopefully plus in patch notes they mentioned in random vets, if it throws you in dlc dungeons would be even longer
In patch notes they do not say 1 per dungeon...
Transmutation requires Transmute Crystals, precious resources occasionally received for successfully completing Veteran PvE activities such as Pledges, Trials, and Arenas, and several PvP sources such as Rewards for the Worthy, Battleground end of match rewards, and AvA end of campaign rewards. Transmute Crystals are an account wide, capped currency which cannot be banked or traded.
Check the patch notes again...Edited by sevomd69 on September 19, 2017 9:05AM0 -
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✭Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »DRXHarbinger wrote: »Yep, it's great for weapons but I doubt any but the laziest will use it on armor. I mean even 40 vet Spindle runs takes like 30hrs for the absolute best of groups and that's assuming back to back with no repairs.
I'm hoping they add a larger amount to completing HM versions and trials etc.
Wouldn't it be a good troll if say training is 10 stones whereas infused and precise are 100 stones
Yes hopefully plus in patch notes they mentioned in random vets, if it throws you in dlc dungeons would be even longer
In patch notes they do not say 1 per dungeon...
Transmutation requires Transmute Crystals, precious resources occasionally received for successfully completing Veteran PvE activities such as Pledges, Trials, and Arenas, and several PvP sources such as Rewards for the Worthy, Battleground end of match rewards, and AvA end of campaign rewards. Transmute Crystals are an account wide, capped currency which cannot be banked or traded.
Check the patch notes again...
They mentioned the drop rate is supposed to be guaranteed rather than occasionallyXbox one EU
8 Flawless conquerors on all class specs (4 stam, 4 magicka)
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✭Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »DRXHarbinger wrote: »Yep, it's great for weapons but I doubt any but the laziest will use it on armor. I mean even 40 vet Spindle runs takes like 30hrs for the absolute best of groups and that's assuming back to back with no repairs.
I'm hoping they add a larger amount to completing HM versions and trials etc.
Wouldn't it be a good troll if say training is 10 stones whereas infused and precise are 100 stones
Yes hopefully plus in patch notes they mentioned in random vets, if it throws you in dlc dungeons would be even longer
In patch notes they do not say 1 per dungeon...
Transmutation requires Transmute Crystals, precious resources occasionally received for successfully completing Veteran PvE activities such as Pledges, Trials, and Arenas, and several PvP sources such as Rewards for the Worthy, Battleground end of match rewards, and AvA end of campaign rewards. Transmute Crystals are an account wide, capped currency which cannot be banked or traded.
Check the patch notes again...
They mentioned the drop rate is supposed to be guaranteed rather than occasionally
No they said they were gonna patch it for PTS...but that statement that I posted is from the general overview of transmutation in the patch notes...0 -
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✭Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »DRXHarbinger wrote: »Yep, it's great for weapons but I doubt any but the laziest will use it on armor. I mean even 40 vet Spindle runs takes like 30hrs for the absolute best of groups and that's assuming back to back with no repairs.
I'm hoping they add a larger amount to completing HM versions and trials etc.
Wouldn't it be a good troll if say training is 10 stones whereas infused and precise are 100 stones
Yes hopefully plus in patch notes they mentioned in random vets, if it throws you in dlc dungeons would be even longer
In patch notes they do not say 1 per dungeon...
Transmutation requires Transmute Crystals, precious resources occasionally received for successfully completing Veteran PvE activities such as Pledges, Trials, and Arenas, and several PvP sources such as Rewards for the Worthy, Battleground end of match rewards, and AvA end of campaign rewards. Transmute Crystals are an account wide, capped currency which cannot be banked or traded.
Check the patch notes again...
They mentioned the drop rate is supposed to be guaranteed rather than occasionally
No they said they were gonna patch it for PTS...but that statement that I posted is from the general overview of transmutation in the patch notes...
Either way grinding 40 stones still takes time and it stands only useful for weapons, monster pieces rather than doing a full set.
Probably change like.Xbox one EU
8 Flawless conquerors on all class specs (4 stam, 4 magicka)
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✭On my 14 toons... 3 pledges a day... I can do it easy in... at most... day and a half...1 -
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✭On my 14 toons... 3 pledges a day... I can do it easy in... at most... day and a half...
"Currently, doing a Veteran Random Dungeon will only rarely award you a Transmutation Geode.
We'll be increasing this to always award a Transmutation Geode from a Veteran Random Dungeon in a future PTS patch."
3 pledges in pugs takes a minimum of 1 hour not everyone can play hours everyday.
It doesn't mention vet pledges but random dungeons in group finder.Xbox one EU
8 Flawless conquerors on all class specs (4 stam, 4 magicka)
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✭Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »On my 14 toons... 3 pledges a day... I can do it easy in... at most... day and a half...
"Currently, doing a Veteran Random Dungeon will only rarely award you a Transmutation Geode.
We'll be increasing this to always award a Transmutation Geode from a Veteran Random Dungeon in a future PTS patch."
3 pledges in pugs takes a minimum of 1 hour not everyone can play hours everyday.
It doesn't mention vet pledges but random dungeons in group finder.
This is from patch...
Transmutation requires Transmute Crystals, precious resources occasionally received for successfully completing Veteran PvE activities such as Pledges, Trials, and Arenas, and several PvP sources such as Rewards for the Worthy, Battleground end of match rewards, and AvA end of campaign rewards. Transmute Crystals are an account wide, capped currency which cannot be banked or traded.
I don't really feel like arguing it...we will see when it goes live won't we...0 -
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✭Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »On my 14 toons... 3 pledges a day... I can do it easy in... at most... day and a half...
"Currently, doing a Veteran Random Dungeon will only rarely award you a Transmutation Geode.
We'll be increasing this to always award a Transmutation Geode from a Veteran Random Dungeon in a future PTS patch."
3 pledges in pugs takes a minimum of 1 hour not everyone can play hours everyday.
It doesn't mention vet pledges but random dungeons in group finder.
This is from patch...
Transmutation requires Transmute Crystals, precious resources occasionally received for successfully completing Veteran PvE activities such as Pledges, Trials, and Arenas, and several PvP sources such as Rewards for the Worthy, Battleground end of match rewards, and AvA end of campaign rewards. Transmute Crystals are an account wide, capped currency which cannot be banked or traded.
I don't really feel like arguing it...we will see when it goes live won't we...
Why are you ignoring this from patch;???
"Currently, doing a Veteran Random Dungeon will only rarely award you a Transmutation Geode.
We'll be increasing this to always award a Transmutation Geode from a Veteran Random Dungeon in a future PTS patch."Edited by Wrecking_Blow_Spam on September 19, 2017 10:44AMXbox one EU
8 Flawless conquerors on all class specs (4 stam, 4 magicka)
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✭Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »On my 14 toons... 3 pledges a day... I can do it easy in... at most... day and a half...
"Currently, doing a Veteran Random Dungeon will only rarely award you a Transmutation Geode.
We'll be increasing this to always award a Transmutation Geode from a Veteran Random Dungeon in a future PTS patch."
3 pledges in pugs takes a minimum of 1 hour not everyone can play hours everyday.
It doesn't mention vet pledges but random dungeons in group finder.
This is from patch...
Transmutation requires Transmute Crystals, precious resources occasionally received for successfully completing Veteran PvE activities such as Pledges, Trials, and Arenas, and several PvP sources such as Rewards for the Worthy, Battleground end of match rewards, and AvA end of campaign rewards. Transmute Crystals are an account wide, capped currency which cannot be banked or traded.
I don't really feel like arguing it...we will see when it goes live won't we...
Why are you ignoring this from patch;???
"Currently, doing a Veteran Random Dungeon will only rarely award you a Transmutation Geode.
We'll be increasing this to always award a Transmutation Geode from a Veteran Random Dungeon in a future PTS patch."
Because they are saying that it is a PTS patch... I may ask...why are you ignoring their original statement?
Transmutation requires Transmute Crystals, precious resources occasionally received for successfully completing Veteran PvE activities such as Pledges, Trials, and Arenas, and several PvP sources such as Rewards for the Worthy, Battleground end of match rewards, and AvA end of campaign rewards. Transmute Crystals are an account wide, capped currency which cannot be banked or traded.
Also from the patch... like I said... we will see won't we...Edited by sevomd69 on September 19, 2017 11:01AM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭What I understand is :
- Vet dungeons will OCCASIONALLY drop a crystal
- RANDOM VET DUNGEON VIA GROUPING TOOL will ALWAYS drop a crystal
I assume a crystal is a synonym for a geode and one is not a fragment of the other ;
I also assume that's how they intend things to go live later.
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✭✭Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »On my 14 toons... 3 pledges a day... I can do it easy in... at most... day and a half...
"Currently, doing a Veteran Random Dungeon will only rarely award you a Transmutation Geode.
We'll be increasing this to always award a Transmutation Geode from a Veteran Random Dungeon in a future PTS patch."
3 pledges in pugs takes a minimum of 1 hour not everyone can play hours everyday.
It doesn't mention vet pledges but random dungeons in group finder.
This is from patch...
Transmutation requires Transmute Crystals, precious resources occasionally received for successfully completing Veteran PvE activities such as Pledges, Trials, and Arenas, and several PvP sources such as Rewards for the Worthy, Battleground end of match rewards, and AvA end of campaign rewards. Transmute Crystals are an account wide, capped currency which cannot be banked or traded.
I don't really feel like arguing it...we will see when it goes live won't we...
Why are you ignoring this from patch;???
"Currently, doing a Veteran Random Dungeon will only rarely award you a Transmutation Geode.
We'll be increasing this to always award a Transmutation Geode from a Veteran Random Dungeon in a future PTS patch."
Because they are saying that it is a PTS patch... I may ask...why are you ignoring their original statement?
Transmutation requires Transmute Crystals, precious resources occasionally received for successfully completing Veteran PvE activities such as Pledges, Trials, and Arenas, and several PvP sources such as Rewards for the Worthy, Battleground end of match rewards, and AvA end of campaign rewards. Transmute Crystals are an account wide, capped currency which cannot be banked or traded.
Also from the patch... like I said... we will see won't we...
What are you not understanding?
Method 1: Do vet content and "occasionally" get a geode that has X amount of crystals (this variance in particular we don't yet know and I would very much like to).
Method 2: Do a random daily and you're guaranteed a geode. This method may be spammable unless it's tied to the one off daily bonus.
PTS patches are the same as what we get when things go live so I don't understand this whole "that's just PTS" thing. There's no difference except for sample itemization and character templates.Edited by Peekachu99 on September 19, 2017 11:18AM0 -
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✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »What I understand is :
- Vet dungeons will OCCASIONALLY drop a crystal
- RANDOM VET DUNGEON VIA GROUPING TOOL will ALWAYS drop a crystal
I assume a crystal is a synonym for a geode and one is not a fragment of the other ;
I also assume that's how they intend things to go live later.
A geode contains and unspecified number of crystals. We don't know the range yet. Probably 1-5 or something.0 -
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✭Peekachu99 wrote: »Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »On my 14 toons... 3 pledges a day... I can do it easy in... at most... day and a half...
"Currently, doing a Veteran Random Dungeon will only rarely award you a Transmutation Geode.
We'll be increasing this to always award a Transmutation Geode from a Veteran Random Dungeon in a future PTS patch."
3 pledges in pugs takes a minimum of 1 hour not everyone can play hours everyday.
It doesn't mention vet pledges but random dungeons in group finder.
This is from patch...
Transmutation requires Transmute Crystals, precious resources occasionally received for successfully completing Veteran PvE activities such as Pledges, Trials, and Arenas, and several PvP sources such as Rewards for the Worthy, Battleground end of match rewards, and AvA end of campaign rewards. Transmute Crystals are an account wide, capped currency which cannot be banked or traded.
I don't really feel like arguing it...we will see when it goes live won't we...
Why are you ignoring this from patch;???
"Currently, doing a Veteran Random Dungeon will only rarely award you a Transmutation Geode.
We'll be increasing this to always award a Transmutation Geode from a Veteran Random Dungeon in a future PTS patch."
Because they are saying that it is a PTS patch... I may ask...why are you ignoring their original statement?
Transmutation requires Transmute Crystals, precious resources occasionally received for successfully completing Veteran PvE activities such as Pledges, Trials, and Arenas, and several PvP sources such as Rewards for the Worthy, Battleground end of match rewards, and AvA end of campaign rewards. Transmute Crystals are an account wide, capped currency which cannot be banked or traded.
Also from the patch... like I said... we will see won't we...
What are you not understanding?
Method 1: Do vet content and "occasionally" get a geode that has X amount of crystals (this variance in particular we don't yet know and I would very much like to).
Method 2: Do a random daily and you're guaranteed a geode. This method may be spammable unless it's tied to the one off daily bonus.
PTS patches are the same as what we get when things go live so I don't understand this whole "that's just PTS" thing. There's no difference except for sample itemization and character templates.
Like I said... we will see...0 -
anitajoneb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Peekachu99 wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »What I understand is :
- Vet dungeons will OCCASIONALLY drop a crystal
- RANDOM VET DUNGEON VIA GROUPING TOOL will ALWAYS drop a crystal
I assume a crystal is a synonym for a geode and one is not a fragment of the other ;
I also assume that's how they intend things to go live later.
A geode contains and unspecified number of crystals. We don't know the range yet. Probably 1-5 or something.
So it's a multiplicator and not a fragment. Good thing ! Thanks for the info !
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✭Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »On my 14 toons... 3 pledges a day... I can do it easy in... at most... day and a half...
"Currently, doing a Veteran Random Dungeon will only rarely award you a Transmutation Geode.
We'll be increasing this to always award a Transmutation Geode from a Veteran Random Dungeon in a future PTS patch."
3 pledges in pugs takes a minimum of 1 hour not everyone can play hours everyday.
It doesn't mention vet pledges but random dungeons in group finder.
This is from patch...
Transmutation requires Transmute Crystals, precious resources occasionally received for successfully completing Veteran PvE activities such as Pledges, Trials, and Arenas, and several PvP sources such as Rewards for the Worthy, Battleground end of match rewards, and AvA end of campaign rewards. Transmute Crystals are an account wide, capped currency which cannot be banked or traded.
I don't really feel like arguing it...we will see when it goes live won't we...
Why are you ignoring this from patch;???
"Currently, doing a Veteran Random Dungeon will only rarely award you a Transmutation Geode.
We'll be increasing this to always award a Transmutation Geode from a Veteran Random Dungeon in a future PTS patch."
Because they are saying that it is a PTS patch... I may ask...why are you ignoring their original statement?
Transmutation requires Transmute Crystals, precious resources occasionally received for successfully completing Veteran PvE activities such as Pledges, Trials, and Arenas, and several PvP sources such as Rewards for the Worthy, Battleground end of match rewards, and AvA end of campaign rewards. Transmute Crystals are an account wide, capped currency which cannot be banked or traded.
Also from the patch... like I said... we will see won't we...
Look... what you aren't catching is that the original is being supplanted by the second.
Yes, they STARTED OUT saying it would occasionally drop, and then they said they will INCREASE that into a guaranteed drop.
Your pit bull grip on the second statement being a pts patch doesn't matter because the original statement that you keep pointing to is also a pts patch.
Many of the decrees of the past have been scrapped recently. Wasn't it wrobel that said alliance points will always stay on the character that earned them? And now we can consolidate them across the account. Once upon a time getting a monster helm was a chance drop on vet. Now it's a guarantee. Multiple things have been done to ease the grind - it's a recurring trend. Are you so unable to imagine they would ease off of the mindless soul crushing grind for these stones too?Xbox NA0 -
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✭Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »On my 14 toons... 3 pledges a day... I can do it easy in... at most... day and a half...
"Currently, doing a Veteran Random Dungeon will only rarely award you a Transmutation Geode.
We'll be increasing this to always award a Transmutation Geode from a Veteran Random Dungeon in a future PTS patch."
3 pledges in pugs takes a minimum of 1 hour not everyone can play hours everyday.
It doesn't mention vet pledges but random dungeons in group finder.
This is from patch...
Transmutation requires Transmute Crystals, precious resources occasionally received for successfully completing Veteran PvE activities such as Pledges, Trials, and Arenas, and several PvP sources such as Rewards for the Worthy, Battleground end of match rewards, and AvA end of campaign rewards. Transmute Crystals are an account wide, capped currency which cannot be banked or traded.
I don't really feel like arguing it...we will see when it goes live won't we...
Why are you ignoring this from patch;???
"Currently, doing a Veteran Random Dungeon will only rarely award you a Transmutation Geode.
We'll be increasing this to always award a Transmutation Geode from a Veteran Random Dungeon in a future PTS patch."
Because they are saying that it is a PTS patch... I may ask...why are you ignoring their original statement?
Transmutation requires Transmute Crystals, precious resources occasionally received for successfully completing Veteran PvE activities such as Pledges, Trials, and Arenas, and several PvP sources such as Rewards for the Worthy, Battleground end of match rewards, and AvA end of campaign rewards. Transmute Crystals are an account wide, capped currency which cannot be banked or traded.
Also from the patch... like I said... we will see won't we...
Look... what you aren't catching is that the original is being supplanted by the second.
Yes, they STARTED OUT saying it would occasionally drop, and then they said they will INCREASE that into a guaranteed drop.
Your pit bull grip on the second statement being a pts patch doesn't matter because the original statement that you keep pointing to is also a pts patch.
Many of the decrees of the past have been scrapped recently. Wasn't it wrobel that said alliance points will always stay on the character that earned them? And now we can consolidate them across the account. Once upon a time getting a monster helm was a chance drop on vet. Now it's a guarantee. Multiple things have been done to ease the grind - it's a recurring trend. Are you so unable to imagine they would ease off of the mindless soul crushing grind for these stones too?
Actually the second statement only stated that it was only for random vets...which was not even mentioned in the original statement, which was not about a PTS patch, but was under the title: Base Game Update
But, If you're so certain that you are right you should have nothing to worry about...so we will see won't we...
Maybe if you wish hard enough...it will come true...Edited by sevomd69 on September 19, 2017 12:16PM0 -
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✭✭✭So instead of making crafting relevant again, they introduce an incredibly grindy token system.....I guess I was hoping for too much
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Deheart✭✭✭Yea, went on the test realm to have a look, way way easier to grind any but the more rare item with traits you desire than it is to transmute.
Especially since unsubbed you can only hold 100, and subbed, you can only hold 200. And that is your whole account not each char, which really sucks but does make sense.
Ultimately I think that despite me being a crafting central player, Ill end up skipping any type of transmutation and sell the gems.As a casual player I was satisfied that at one point I had a char max level and near max crafting with almost all motifs and I pretty much lost interest. Then ESO discovered DLC's and now my main is just a wanabe and I am happily pulled back into the game.0 -
BrightOblivion✭✭✭✭✭Yea, went on the test realm to have a look, way way easier to grind any but the more rare item with traits you desire than it is to transmute.
Especially since unsubbed you can only hold 100, and subbed, you can only hold 200. And that is your whole account not each char, which really sucks but does make sense.
Ultimately I think that despite me being a crafting central player, Ill end up skipping any type of transmutation and sell the gems.
Can't. They're untradable.0