Game engine

elderianmage

So when can we expect game engine fix that will actually use all CPU cores? Or ZOS just scammed us and it will continue to do so? At least make an effort when you scam people for money.

WildWilbur

Soon (TM)

Enslaved

Here are your options

• soon
• No ETA

Krayzie

ZoS isn't scamming people, they just have no reason to introduce major fixes when people keep throwing money at them for cosmetic changes.

JasonSilverSpring

Updating the game engine is a major task. With people often complaining about lack of new content I doubt we will see this for a while.

Banana

Id say 10 years when its available on mobile

Johngo0036

They will get around to that when they fix the lag.............

NEVER!!!

You have Been SCAMMED!!!!!!

Merlin13KAGL

Syncing multiple threads across multiple cores isn't quite as simple as you'd think. It would generally be used for side tasks - the main thread wouldn't see much change, and performance wouldn't likely shift much.

Their overall design would remain the essentially the same.

If your CPU is having issues, it's probably time to upgrade.

elderianmage

Krayzie wrote: »

ZoS isn't scamming people, they just have no reason to introduce major fixes when people keep throwing money at them for cosmetic changes.

Well. I still think is a scam that many people don't realize it is or those who realized. They just don't care enough or gave up and move on*. Thats why ZOS can keep exploiting that. ZOS knows their game engine is out dated. It was already out dated when it was released. Is not like ZOS had 3 employees and no back up from publisher.

*Since people keep moving on... soon they (will) realize they can't move on because they didn't speak or do something about when they should. Thats how macro-transactions and DLCs is a global thing today and every studios exploits it. Plus abandon game engine and game fixes and focus on those two things. Also HW manufactures are not angels neither. They break components and then claim "budget HW" but this "budget" is just a waste of materials and while producing it you pollute environment with unfriendly human. And side effect is unplayable games. Soon you realize you can't buy HW that you need that would sustain because it was broken on purpose... and again not enough was said or nothing at all... Also i think HW manufactures are holding back on technology to exploit and gain as much profit as possible for their broken products. Ignore race, religion aspect. Is still very powerful with using it with other terms. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_...

boggo

elderianmage wrote: »

Krayzie wrote: »

ZoS isn't scamming people, they just have no reason to introduce major fixes when people keep throwing money at them for cosmetic changes.

Well. I still think is a scam that many people don't realize it is or those who realize it is just don't care enough or gave up and move on*. Thats why ZOS can keep exploiting that. ZOS knows their game engine is out dated. It was already out dated when it was released. Is not like ZOS had 3 employees and no back up from publisher.

*Since people keep moving on... soon they realize they can't move on because they didn't speak when they should. Thats how macro-transactions and DLCs is a global thing today and every studios exploits it. Plus abandon game engine and game fixes and focus on those two things. Also HW manufactures are not angels neither. They break components and then claim "budget HW" but this "budget" is just a waste of materials and while producing it you pollute environment with unfriendly human. Soon you realize you can't buy HW that you need that would sustain because it was broken on purpose... and again not enough was said or nothing at all... Also i think HW manufactures are holding back on technology to exploit and gain as much profit as possible for their broken products. Might not be race, religion thing but is very important. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_...

The conspiracy thing is strong with this one...

AzraelKrieg

You do realise that a lot of games don't utilise all cores and all threads of a CPU, right?

Slick_007

elderianmage wrote: »

Krayzie wrote: »

ZoS isn't scamming people, they just have no reason to introduce major fixes when people keep throwing money at them for cosmetic changes.

Well. I still think is a scam that many people don't realize it is or those who realized. They just don't care enough or gave up and move on*. Thats why ZOS can keep exploiting that. ZOS knows their game engine is out dated. It was already out dated when it was released. Is not like ZOS had 3 employees and no back up from publisher.

ZOS should have spent all those years of development on an engine that wasnt invented yet instead of on one they could actually use at the time. buggers!

Urza1234

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Syncing multiple threads across multiple cores isn't quite as simple as you'd think. It would generally be used for side tasks - the main thread wouldn't see much change, and performance wouldn't likely shift much.

Their overall design would remain the essentially the same.

If your CPU is having issues, it's probably time to upgrade.

This is a true. I'm super critical of the dev speed of this game, but improving multithreading I dont think is an area that would have a good benefit/cost ratio atm.

I'm sorry that you tried to play the game on a Macbook Air.

Turelus

You have weird views of what a scam is...

elderianmage

Urza1234 wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Syncing multiple threads across multiple cores isn't quite as simple as you'd think. It would generally be used for side tasks - the main thread wouldn't see much change, and performance wouldn't likely shift much.

Their overall design would remain the essentially the same.

If your CPU is having issues, it's probably time to upgrade.

This is a true. I'm super critical of the dev speed of this game, but improving multithreading I dont think is an area that would have a good benefit/cost ratio atm.

With such thinking it never will be.
I would have a CPU problems if i had 100% CPU usage. CPU don't hit more then 30% except on CPU0. So is poor game engine coding because multithreading and hardware was available way before ESO was created. Never said multithreading is easy. But there is near zero effort put into it at ZOS or at Bethesda. QL has more performances issues then older Quakes. They pushed the release of QL to just jumped on f2p/p2w wagon. There is no _real_ excuse for staying that way. Meanwhile no problem releasing more DLC more macro-transactions. We have come to era of UE4, Unity. They clearly don't care about optimization is just about flipping assets (Ark, DnL) and since this works, why break it right? Because nobody gives a ***. I just wonder what it will take that people will realize that they are being scammed/tricked call it whatever you want on daily basis. Producing games cross platforms is waste of time. Because CONsole version is just de-de-graded version of PC game released version. With more limited features, worse graphics.

MMORPGs exploit addictive behavior and thats why is so easy to trick, exploit such people. It all started with food.

and about "conspiracy." Next time before you buy something: Take your time and check, compare, read negative reviews* of products, gadgets... online from cross "industries, sectors" and you will come up to very similar, if not the same conclusion.
You don't even need to go 10 years in the future. You already have broken game engines with macro-transactions on all AAA games and soon "online AAA" will all become same as f2p aka p2w. They already broke game mechanics to push macro-transactions and claim it is only cosmetics; newest one you probably know about ME: shadow of war.

Also remember "Fortnite trick." now pay XX for fake early access and you get some bonuses but what you are actually doing is pre-paying for win. Because game is already finished otherwise they wouldn't release it to the public. Also Epic games released trailer with false advertising about loot. Things goes on...
https://i.imgur.com/1Qdfcrl.png Epic games never valued Deluxe Edition for 100€ and super deluxe for 180€ and limited for 350€. This is just a false claim. So you think how "good" and "willing" are they giving you, especially you (because you are egoist such discount! You saved the day not money.

Also what you see in open beta is pretty much retail version. The closer is to retail date less time to fix and if you have open beta testing in 3 or less weeks before retail date. You are playing actual retail version. Because you have to calculate printing, transportation of hardcopies, stocking.

*only "negative reviews" will tell you what is wrong and it has to be improved, if as manufacturer, producer... you want it better, you don't because then you could simply just upgrade OS and you won't be able to sell more garbage every year. Thats why they came up with "XXLegendary" versions of the game with selling bunch of plastic along; XP boosts with beverages. Because people will buy pretty much anything and they know what you are buying, because everything is being tracked and sold. And people should stop with only positivity it wont fix a thing if you simply keep ignoring it.


Here is one "conspiracy" how can self-called "AAA titles" justify same 59,99X* price?
Were production costs really the same? Or they just did test where they put some prices and see what would people paid for that product and now everybody is following that pricing because they can.
*X = multiple currencies. Which means different value for same product? Why Europeans have to pay more? Better living standard? yeah right.

Balamoor

Turelus wrote: »

You have weird views of what a scam is...

That's a very polite way to put it.

Soleya

elderianmage wrote: »

I would have a CPU problems if i had 100% CPU usage. CPU don't hit more then 30% except on CPU0.

If your not hitting 100% usage on a core, then how would multi threading help your performance, you aren't even utilizing a single core to it's maximum.

PlagueSD

elderianmage wrote: »

So when can we expect game engine fix that will actually use all CPU cores? Or ZOS just scammed us and it will continue to do so? At least make an effort when you scam people for money.

Not sure what your issue is, but when I have the resource monitor running while playing, it shows all 4 cores around 85-90% utilization.


Edit:
Here's my system stats as I'm playing. Had to take pic with cell phone as I have to minimize the game in order to take a screenshot of the resource monitor...Which will skew my results. Attached also is my SLI performance (green bar)

CPU/memory Usage:

Memory Stats:

SLI Performance:

elderianmage

ZOS just updated game engine to next-next-gen-gen engine. Now it works at 1618 FPS and uses 1618% CPU & GPU. Man, the electric bill will big huge this month. Like FPS drops.

Sigma957

Hmmm my pc is only using 23% of the cpu with eso, task manager and this page open and currently eso is at 80fps

aaisoaho

Actually, it is not up to ZOS to add multithreading to the game engine. ESO uses HeroEngine which was made by Simutronics and which is now owned by Idea Fabrik. "--The simulation and rendering processes of the engine are currently run on a single-thread. However, it is planned for there to be a multi-threaded release, but the publish date has not yet been determined." (Source: Wikipedia)

cmetzger93

Pretty sure that ESO only used the hero engine in the early development phase. They decided that it couldn’t support what they needed it to and modified it to some degree from what I understand.

Woeler

Scammed? Being too dumb to read up on stuff before buying a product doesn't make the selling side a scammer.

Greevir

aaisoaho wrote: »

Actually, it is not up to ZOS to add multithreading to the game engine. ESO uses HeroEngine which was made by Simutronics and which is now owned by Idea Fabrik. "--The simulation and rendering processes of the engine are currently run on a single-thread. However, it is planned for there to be a multi-threaded release, but the publish date has not yet been determined." (Source: Wikipedia)

HeroEngine was only used while Zenimax worked on their own engine.

Alexandrious

elderianmage wrote: »

So when can we expect game engine fix that will actually use all CPU cores? Or ZOS just scammed us and it will continue to do so? At least make an effort when you scam people for money.

Zenimax: Never, now buy more delicious crates so we can develop content for our intended audience, the casual console player. Oh yes, buy, Buy, BUUUUUUUUYYYYY!!!!! *wrings hands*

JD2013

I'm not sure you know what the word scam means ...¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Dasovaruilos

Easier for them to make a new game and call it Elder Scrolls Online 2 than rewrite or switch ESO's game engine.

We can expect some updates, but I highly doubt they will be priority in the foreseeable future.

elderianmage

JD2013 wrote: »

I'm not sure you know what the word scam means ...¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Or maybe dictionary needs to be updated.

CalmFury wrote: »

Easier for them to make a new game and call it Elder Scrolls Online 2 than rewrite or switch ESO's game engine.

We can expect some updates, but I highly doubt they will be priority in the foreseeable future.

"foreseeable future." How long is that?

Yeah just skip ESO 2 and just do ESO 3. It will be much easier and let people pay 300 bucks for it. I'm totally up for it. Not just 300. I'll give you millions if you can timewarp to ESO 3 or ESO 6.

Tandor

I think it's a great shame ZOS don't hire some of the critical players who boast all the right knowledge to "put the game right" by their reckoning of what's wrong with it, I'm sure they'd make a cracking good job of it. Or not.

kyle.wilson

I don't know of any company that would rebuild the engine after launch. That's an incredibly expensive path to take.

My biggest complaint is that the game launched in 2014 as a 32 bit game, years after 64 bit became the standard.

Ihatenightblades

***FIX***

Game engine is outdated on CONSOLE. Go get a good pc and then it will feel like a brand new game.

I log on pc whenever there is maintenance i have 1 character level 37 i just do Bg with em but wow the fps and graphics on my pc is 3x better if not more than console.

Blame sony and Microsoft for being slow in technology