Quick question about healer sets

PurpleDrank

So I like to experiment in game, and have been playing around with different sets for my new healer. Before I spend the money on buying a set of Trinimac's Valor, I just wanted to find out if the shield generated by Combat Physician will trigger the shard generated by Trinimac's Valor? Or do I have to generate the shield myself with Radiant Ward? Also does Ward Ally/Healing Ward count as a shield for Trinimac?

And before anyone says anything I am aware that these aren't the BiS sets, I don't really care, I don't follow the meta, I just like to experiment and play around with sets and skills. I just seem to be running out of cash in game at the moment and don't want to waste it...

Jhalin

Don't waste your gold on garbage

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

What @Jhalin said.

But in case you do.

No, the shard will not proc off of other sets, it has to be an ablity.

Combat physician is a bad set too, only one sheild every six seconds, in total, not per person healed.

Trinimacs valor will proc off all those ablities, but will still only be 20% per cast, not per sheild, like with ward ally you get two shields but it is still only one 20% chance not two 20% chance. This is a major reason that Dragonknight healers don't run the set, it is only one 20% chance per cast of ignious sheilds, not four 20% chances, if you understand what I mean.

And good on you for not following the meta fellow snowflake, you are allowed to do whatever you want but really recommend getting SPC and then doing what ever you want around that. Like I run monster sets on my healers (bogdans on my temp and sentinel of rekugums on my warden) and lamia song on my back bar on my warden healer so I totally understand what you want to do. Just that SPC is really that good.

SoLooney

spc, worm cult, mending, twilight remedy, infall aether, sanctuary.

pretty much spc with another set above. masters resto staff and a shock staff charged with shock enchant.

Mystrius_Archaion

After playing with Whitestrake's Retribution which shields you if your health drops to below 30%(or 35) for 8 seconds for 10k value, I would recommend that set for any character. You can't do anything while dead and that set has saved me a lot of times and allowed me time to heal from a huge hit before the next one takes me out.

It's up to you what to do though. Just suggesting an option.

PurpleDrank

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Combat physician is a bad set too, only one sheild every six seconds, in total, not per person healed.

@Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Oh. That could probably be worded better in the description. It sounded like I'd be able to shield multiple people. Probably won't bother with it if it can only affect one person at a time. Leave it on the backburner for now and try it again at another stage.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

And good on you for not following the meta fellow snowflake, you are allowed to do whatever you want but really recommend getting SPC and then doing what ever you want around that. Like I run monster sets on my healers (bogdans on my temp and sentinel of rekugums on my warden) and lamia song on my back bar on my warden healer so I totally understand what you want to do. Just that SPC is really that good.

If they'd give me a few hundred sets and a thousand odd skills to fool around with I'd be a very, very happy man

I've played with SPC before, but I get bored easily and start messing around with stuff again lol. I have a bank (and 10 character's inventories...) in various stages of fullness with of bits and pieces of different sets because I end up doing this so often. My problem with SPC was that its too good like you say. No challenge in trying to make it work

Since you mentioned it, what's your experience with Lamia's Song? I looked at it once before but then forgot about it. Do you find it works better with cheaper or more expensive ultimates?

Also, since I'm asking questions anyway, do you know if Prayer Shawl has the same issue as Combat Physician?

PurpleDrank

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

After playing with Whitestrake's Retribution which shields you if your health drops to below 30%(or 35) for 8 seconds for 10k value, I would recommend that set for any character. You can't do anything while dead and that set has saved me a lot of times and allowed me time to heal from a huge hit before the next one takes me out.

It's up to you what to do though. Just suggesting an option.

@Mystrius_Archaion

Are you DPS, heal or tank with Whitestrakes? I haven't really started playing with my tank yet but it always seemed like it might be a fun tanking set. Have you tried it with Draugr's Heritage? They both trigger under 35% so I'm wondering if both of them would go off, or only one?

Edit: It just occurs to me that Whitestrake is 30 and Draugr is 35. Maybe Whitestrake and Juggernaut as they're both under 30%? Would you get the damage shield and then a nice fat heal of 18k?

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

PurpleDrank wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Combat physician is a bad set too, only one sheild every six seconds, in total, not per person healed.

@Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Oh. That could probably be worded better in the description. It sounded like I'd be able to shield multiple people. Probably won't bother with it if it can only affect one person at a time. Leave it on the backburner for now and try it again at another stage.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

And good on you for not following the meta fellow snowflake, you are allowed to do whatever you want but really recommend getting SPC and then doing what ever you want around that. Like I run monster sets on my healers (bogdans on my temp and sentinel of rekugums on my warden) and lamia song on my back bar on my warden healer so I totally understand what you want to do. Just that SPC is really that good.

If they'd give me a few hundred sets and a thousand odd skills to fool around with I'd be a very, very happy man

I've played with SPC before, but I get bored easily and start messing around with stuff again lol. I have a bank (and 10 character's inventories...) in various stages of fullness with of bits and pieces of different sets because I end up doing this so often. My problem with SPC was that its too good like you say. No challenge in trying to make it work

Since you mentioned it, what's your experience with Lamia's Song? I looked at it once before but then forgot about it. Do you find it works better with cheaper or more expensive ultimates?

Also, since I'm asking questions anyway, do you know if Prayer Shawl has the same issue as Combat Physician?

Prayer shawl is the same, except you can proc it on any heal, not just crit heals. Both sets need to be six seconds per person to be useful and they just aren't.

My experience with lamias song is that it is okay, can't crit and is capped at six people, like all mass heals in the game, with my warden and warhorn, it hits for 8.6k and is impacted my major mending, so you can get more then 10k easy. I have never really used the tree on my healer warden, warhorn is too important and the 8% more magic from the ice ulti is way better.

PurpleDrank

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Prayer shawl is the same, except you can proc it on any heal, not just crit heals. Both sets need to be six seconds per person to be useful and they just aren't.

My experience with lamias song is that it is okay, can't crit and is capped at six people, like all mass heals in the game, with my warden and warhorn, it hits for 8.6k and is impacted my major mending, so you can get more then 10k easy. I have never really used the tree on my healer warden, warhorn is too important and the 8% more magic from the ice ulti is way better.

A shame about Prayer Shawl and Combat Physician, would have like to have had a play with them. From what you've said though Lamia's sounds like it might be fun to have a play around with, so might go farm Arx tonight. I don't really enjoy the trials so the 6 person cap wont be an issue. Thanks for that mate

Asardes

PurpleDrank wrote: »

So I like to experiment in game, and have been playing around with different sets for my new healer. Before I spend the money on buying a set of Trinimac's Valor, I just wanted to find out if the shield generated by Combat Physician will trigger the shard generated by Trinimac's Valor? Or do I have to generate the shield myself with Radiant Ward? Also does Ward Ally/Healing Ward count as a shield for Trinimac?

And before anyone says anything I am aware that these aren't the BiS sets, I don't really care, I don't follow the meta, I just like to experiment and play around with sets and skills. I just seem to be running out of cash in game at the moment and don't want to waste it...

Why would anyone use Radiant Ward on a magicka build? It scales off health, so it will be a 5.5K shield, less than half what harness magicka would give.

PurpleDrank

Asardes wrote: »

PurpleDrank wrote: »

So I like to experiment in game, and have been playing around with different sets for my new healer. Before I spend the money on buying a set of Trinimac's Valor, I just wanted to find out if the shield generated by Combat Physician will trigger the shard generated by Trinimac's Valor? Or do I have to generate the shield myself with Radiant Ward? Also does Ward Ally/Healing Ward count as a shield for Trinimac?

And before anyone says anything I am aware that these aren't the BiS sets, I don't really care, I don't follow the meta, I just like to experiment and play around with sets and skills. I just seem to be running out of cash in game at the moment and don't want to waste it...

Why would anyone use Radiant Ward on a magicka build? It scales off health, so it will be a 5.5K shield, less than half what harness magicka would give.

I don't. I was just trying to figure out what proc'd the set and what didn't.

Carter_DC

my 2 cents :

PurpleDrank

Carter_DC wrote: »

my 2 cents :

When I play with strangers I don't experiment. I use a pretty normal build and fairly standard equipment. The fun for me, and the people I play with on a regular basis, is to experiment and explore. So no, it really doesn't in the context of the conversation.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

PurpleDrank wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Prayer shawl is the same, except you can proc it on any heal, not just crit heals. Both sets need to be six seconds per person to be useful and they just aren't.

My experience with lamias song is that it is okay, can't crit and is capped at six people, like all mass heals in the game, with my warden and warhorn, it hits for 8.6k and is impacted my major mending, so you can get more then 10k easy. I have never really used the tree on my healer warden, warhorn is too important and the 8% more magic from the ice ulti is way better.

A shame about Prayer Shawl and Combat Physician, would have like to have had a play with them. From what you've said though Lamia's sounds like it might be fun to have a play around with, so might go farm Arx tonight. I don't really enjoy the trials so the 6 person cap wont be an issue. Thanks for that mate

Yeah, the animation for lamias song is almost the same as warhorn, so it looks like you do two horns every time you use warhorn. Also tip on arx, the last boss gets sort of a damage sheild if she is on the land and not in the water, so she can't be crit on, slowing dps a ton. So the trick is to have everyone stay in the water. She also losses aggro sometimes, no matter how many times the tank taunts, so it really is a healer test boss fight.

ictopbasli

I am wearing 5 Lich / 5 Warlock.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

ictopbasli wrote: »

I am wearing 5 Lich / 5 Warlock.

And your breath hits for 5k or if not a temp, your springs heals for 700 a tick.

Wrecking_Blow_Spam

Heard there was some new healer(ish) sets in the Hotr dungeons, maybe you mentioned them already then my bad as I don't know the names of them.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

Heard there was some new healer(ish) sets in the Hotr dungeons, maybe you mentioned them already then my bad as I don't know the names of them.

There is one, http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Draugr's_Rest, the other dungeon has a magic dps set. This set is also useless for the low healing, 1.1k a sec is nothing, especially from five piece that can't crit, the small area, 5 meters and the fact that the 4 piece is healing done, one of the most useless bonuses on armor. Literally any other magic bonus would be better, hell even health would.

Wrecking_Blow_Spam

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

Heard there was some new healer(ish) sets in the Hotr dungeons, maybe you mentioned them already then my bad as I don't know the names of them.

There is one, http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Draugr's_Rest, the other dungeon has a magic dps set. This set is also useless for the low healing, 1.1k a sec is nothing, especially from five piece that can't crit, the small area, 5 meters and the fact that the 4 piece is healing done, one of the most useless bonuses on armor. Literally any other magic bonus would be better, hell even health would.

Guy said he doesn't care about BiS sets so it's an option for him to consider - dragurs rest I think it's called.

Edit: just saw you linked it, ty

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

Heard there was some new healer(ish) sets in the Hotr dungeons, maybe you mentioned them already then my bad as I don't know the names of them.

There is one, http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Draugr's_Rest, the other dungeon has a magic dps set. This set is also useless for the low healing, 1.1k a sec is nothing, especially from five piece that can't crit, the small area, 5 meters and the fact that the 4 piece is healing done, one of the most useless bonuses on armor. Literally any other magic bonus would be better, hell even health would.

Guy said he doesn't care about BiS sets so it's an option for him to consider - dragurs rest I think it's called.

Edit: just saw you linked it, ty

I am aware of what the guy said. I am going to explain why this set is bad anyways. This guy is going to do what they want to anyways. You know it is not always about the op in a thread, sometimes you need to state facts for the audience so they can make up their mind.

Wrecking_Blow_Spam

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

Heard there was some new healer(ish) sets in the Hotr dungeons, maybe you mentioned them already then my bad as I don't know the names of them.

There is one, http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Draugr's_Rest, the other dungeon has a magic dps set. This set is also useless for the low healing, 1.1k a sec is nothing, especially from five piece that can't crit, the small area, 5 meters and the fact that the 4 piece is healing done, one of the most useless bonuses on armor. Literally any other magic bonus would be better, hell even health would.

Guy said he doesn't care about BiS sets so it's an option for him to consider - dragurs rest I think it's called.

Edit: just saw you linked it, ty

I am aware of what the guy said. I am going to explain why this set is bad anyways. This guy is going to do what they want to anyways. You know it is not always about the op in a thread, sometimes you need to state facts for the audience so they can make up their mind.

Yes that's true, I myself wouldn't touch the set with a barge pole.

Tasear

Prayer shawl and other shield sets not working with trimmic seems like a over sight? @Wrobel

But thinking how this might be possible. You could probably use healing ward, barrier, bone Shield ( does it count ?), Sorc or dragon shield, since cast on allies. Still a quite bit costly. Maybe it should be looked at?


P.S it only works on shield casted to allies

Kneighbors

SPC+PA is the best choice for 4 mans content. Every time you cast vigor you imeddiately rise your teammates spellpower and physical damage by 400, its a whooping 10-15% increase atleast or even more for some groupa.

The uptime of SPC will also be higher, sometimes much more higher depending on the skills you were using before. To maintain SPC buff active isn't that simple, most heals tend to think "I got SPC so its already working". You will meet a lot of heals wearing SPC giving you uptime of 20%... Vigor is much stronger for keeping that uptime and its hard to fall below 60% if you keep spamming vigor every 10 seconds.