Medium Armor - Sneak Penalty Removed

vpy

I believe I used to have a medium armor set that has a bonus of removing the speed penalty of sneak.

Forgot the name

Can anyone let me know ?

cjhhickman39

Night silence crafted set

starkerealm

Night's Silence (crafted, so it can be medium armor, though it doesn't have to be).

Also Shadow Dancer (light armor), and Nightstalker (a vampire passive) allow you to move at normal speeds in stealth.

Yakidafi

http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Night's+Silence+Set

The_Protagonist

Night Mother's Embrace (medium looted set)
Shadow Dancer (light looted set)
Night Silence (crafted set)

The_Protagonist

You can use this link to check other sets out too.

starkerealm

The_Protagonist wrote: »

Night Mother's Embrace (medium looted set)
Shadow Dancer (light looted set)
Night Silence (crafted set)

NME doesn't remove the movement penalty in stealth, it just contracts the detection radius. Which is very useful, but not the same thing.

Wrecking_Blow_Spam

You can become a vampire which saves you a set.... but more fire vulnerability

Morgul667

If medium armor removed sneaking soeed reduction that could make some people switch back to medium

buttaface

vampire, skooma smuggler, jailbreaker, concealed weapon, real fast in stealth, REAL fast, relatively low damage though.

PlagueSD

Medium armor has passives that lower stamina used in stealth and detection radius.

Improved Sneak -
WITH ONE OR MORE PIECES OF MEDIUM ARMOR EQUIPPED:
Reduces the cost of sneaking by 7% per piece of Medium Armor equipped. (Total 7pc bonus: 49%)
Also reduces the size of your detection area by 5% per piece of Medium Armor equipped. (Total 7pc bonus: 35%)

Night's Silence: (crafted)
(5 items) Ignore Movement Speed penalty of Sneak.

Night Terror: (zone dropped - Stormhaven)
(3 items) Reduces the radius you can be detected while Sneaking by 2 meters. Reduces the cost of Sneak cost by 26%.

Gilvoth

please increase sneak speed zenimax.
please.

Slick_007

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

please increase sneak speed zenimax.
please.

god no. theres supposed to be a penalty to the speed. besides theres already enough ways to increase it.

victoriana-blue

Slick_007 wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

please increase sneak speed zenimax.
please.

god no. theres supposed to be a penalty to the speed. besides theres already enough ways to increase it.

It's already got a penalty to work around. Using dark stalker or night's silence to get around the penalty means giving up something else, just like stamblades who use concealed weapon for the (miniscule) speed boost see giving up an effective spammable.

This week is reminding me how much I miss my pre-Morrowind sneak speed, especially because when I gear for speed in IC I use up three skill slots and lose a five-piece bonus. I don't survive being detected anymore. Trade offs!

buttaface

Slick_007 wrote: »

god no. theres supposed to be a penalty to the speed. besides theres already enough ways to increase it.

I think it needs a significant buff, forcing players to vampire or specific sets or pots is not a good way to make something useable that is useless without them. IMO there are too many easy ways to lower sneak cost, it should cost much more stam, but have a much higher base speed. Sneaking should be much faster, but not as buffable by items and esp vampire, and should not be something done permanently.

Gargath

I plan to test a Bosmer stamblade with:
- Bosmer racial passive: Rank III •Reduces your detection radius in Stealth by 3m
- Night Terror set 3 items: Reduces the radius you can be detected while Sneaking by 2 meters. Reduces the cost of Sneak cost by 26%.
- Night Mother's Embrace Set 5 items: Reduce the radius you can be detected while Sneaking by 2 meters. Reduces the cost of Sneak by 25%
- Vampire stage 4

Base detection sneak/stealth range 6,5 metres.
With various buffs:
sneak speed: 4,00-4,06 m/s
sneak cost: 15
sneak range: -0,5 m
that's from raw calculator.

Slick_007

buttaface wrote: »

I think it needs a significant buff, forcing players to vampire or specific sets or pots is not a good way to make something useable that is useless without them. IMO there are too many easy ways to lower sneak cost, it should cost much more stam, but have a much higher base speed. Sneaking should be much faster, but not as buffable by items and esp vampire, and should not be something done permanently.

it is so far from useless your comments are ridiculus. do you even play the game?

dsalter

PlagueSD wrote: »

Medium armor has passives that lower stamina used in stealth and detection radius.

Improved Sneak -
WITH ONE OR MORE PIECES OF MEDIUM ARMOR EQUIPPED:
Reduces the cost of sneaking by 7% per piece of Medium Armor equipped. (Total 7pc bonus: 49%)
Also reduces the size of your detection area by 5% per piece of Medium Armor equipped. (Total 7pc bonus: 35%)

Night's Silence: (crafted)
(5 items) Ignore Movement Speed penalty of Sneak.

Night Terror: (zone dropped - Stormhaven)
(3 items) Reduces the radius you can be detected while Sneaking by 2 meters. Reduces the cost of Sneak cost by 26%.

get rid of the night silence, get night mothers embrace for the further 5 set detection radius reduction and go vampire, perfect sneak setup

PlagueSD

dsalter wrote: »

PlagueSD wrote: »

Medium armor has passives that lower stamina used in stealth and detection radius.

Improved Sneak -
WITH ONE OR MORE PIECES OF MEDIUM ARMOR EQUIPPED:
Reduces the cost of sneaking by 7% per piece of Medium Armor equipped. (Total 7pc bonus: 49%)
Also reduces the size of your detection area by 5% per piece of Medium Armor equipped. (Total 7pc bonus: 35%)

Night's Silence: (crafted)
(5 items) Ignore Movement Speed penalty of Sneak.

Night Terror: (zone dropped - Stormhaven)
(3 items) Reduces the radius you can be detected while Sneaking by 2 meters. Reduces the cost of Sneak cost by 26%.

get rid of the night silence, get night mothers embrace for the further 5 set detection radius reduction and go vampire, perfect sneak setup

This is a stam toon, so not going vampire. If I need to be REALLY sneaky (rare), I'll use an invis potion. I prefer crafted sets so I don't have to farm. (this setup allows me to also have 4pc Bahrah's Curse equip for the reduced damage from guards IF I do end up getting caught)

Number_51

Gargath wrote: »

I plan to test a Bosmer stamblade with:
- Bosmer racial passive: Rank III •Reduces your detection radius in Stealth by 3m
- Night Terror set 3 items: Reduces the radius you can be detected while Sneaking by 2 meters. Reduces the cost of Sneak cost by 26%.
- Night Mother's Embrace Set 5 items: Reduce the radius you can be detected while Sneaking by 2 meters. Reduces the cost of Sneak by 25%
- Vampire stage 4

Base detection sneak/stealth range 6,5 metres.
With various buffs:
sneak speed: 4,00-4,06 m/s
sneak cost: 15
sneak range: -0,5 m
that's from raw calculator.

I run something very similar on my Stamblade thief. Bosmer, all the sneak passives, and some CP. I run 5 Night Mother's Embrace, 3 Nights Silence, 3 Night Terror (front bar) and 5 Night Mother's Embrace, 5 Nights Silence, 1 Night Terror (back bar). It's DW on both bars and leaves room for 1 monster piece (like Velidreth). You keep the sneak speed bonus if you crouch on back bar then weapon swap. One thing that's never really been answered for me though is whether the NME + NT buff (I think they're the same buff) can double dip on the detection radius. Anyone know definitely?

Also found a pretty effective leveling set up for DW/Resto magblade to be 5 Nights Silence, 3 Night Terror, 4 Bahraha (DW bar) and 3 Nights Silence, 3 Night Terror, 5 Bahraha (Resto bar). Of course I swap out for 5 Spinner, 5 Seducer for real fights, but the former works for anchors, etc.

buttaface

Slick_007 wrote: »

it is so far from useless your comments are ridiculus. do you even play the game?

Unbuffed stealth speed is useless, way too slow, it's the main reason there are so many vampires, but I explained this, expressed my opinion as to how it should work, which I am entitled to, and you ignored the meat of what I said to post the above ignorant snark. That's the only thing that's "ridiculus" (sic).

Slick_007

buttaface wrote: »

Slick_007 wrote: »

it is so far from useless your comments are ridiculus. do you even play the game?

Unbuffed stealth speed is useless, way too slow, it's the main reason there are so many vampires, but I explained this, expressed my opinion as to how it should work, which I am entitled to, and you ignored the meat of what I said to post the above ignorant snark. That's the only thing that's "ridiculus" (sic).

no, you called the ability useless. thats whats ridiculus. since its far from useless, it sounds to me like the comment is coming from someone who doesnt even play the game and is just reading a tooltip from some screenshot.
im not a vampire. never found it useless. or too slow. you just dont seem to understand what sneaking is, at all.

buttaface

"Slick_007 wrote: »

no, you called the ability useless.

Yeah. No. Your reading comprehension problems are yours alone, not mine. Best wishes improving.

GreenSoup2HoT

Gargath wrote: »

I plan to test a Bosmer stamblade with:
- Bosmer racial passive: Rank III •Reduces your detection radius in Stealth by 3m
- Night Terror set 3 items: Reduces the radius you can be detected while Sneaking by 2 meters. Reduces the cost of Sneak cost by 26%.
- Night Mother's Embrace Set 5 items: Reduce the radius you can be detected while Sneaking by 2 meters. Reduces the cost of Sneak by 25%
- Vampire stage 4

Base detection sneak/stealth range 6,5 metres.
With various buffs:
sneak speed: 4,00-4,06 m/s
sneak cost: 15
sneak range: -0,5 m
that's from raw calculator.

Just wanted to let you know that your idea is a good one and it will let you detect others before they detect you.... but you can basically get the same effect but better just by using Shadow Cloak A LOT. Shadow Cloak reduces your detection radius to 0 meters.

If you use simple duel stat mag regen / stam regen drinks, vampire, 10% mag cp and maybe willows path (which finally got fixed and buffs regen from drinks) with the occasional magicka potion... you can basically keep 100% uptime with cloak granted you maintain perfect timing before it expires (as a stamblade). Note this setup works best with Imperial due to lack of health bonuses.

All though if that build is just for sneaking around and pick-pocketing/assassinating npc's its very good... basically just mentioning you can get the same effect with a pretty functional build for pvp.

The_Protagonist

Gargath wrote: »

I plan to test a Bosmer stamblade with:
- Bosmer racial passive: Rank III •Reduces your detection radius in Stealth by 3m
- Night Terror set 3 items: Reduces the radius you can be detected while Sneaking by 2 meters. Reduces the cost of Sneak cost by 26%.
- Night Mother's Embrace Set 5 items: Reduce the radius you can be detected while Sneaking by 2 meters. Reduces the cost of Sneak by 25%
- Vampire stage 4

Base detection sneak/stealth range 6,5 metres.
With various buffs:
sneak speed: 4,00-4,06 m/s
sneak cost: 15
sneak range: -0,5 m
that's from raw calculator.

I already run this setup and I find it effective, you can go all 5 piece for Night Terror too, the poison damage on helps a little, unless you are planning to use something else for damage

Slick_007

buttaface wrote: »

"Slick_007 wrote: »

no, you called the ability useless.

Yeah. No. Your reading comprehension problems are yours alone, not mine. Best wishes improving.

shall i remind you exactly what you said: "forcing players to vampire or specific sets or pots is not a good way to make something useable that is useless without them"

my comprehension is fine. apparently you cant even read or comprehend what you yourself wrote.

Gargath

Number_51 wrote: »

One thing that's never really been answered for me though is whether the NME + NT buff (I think they're the same buff) can double dip on the detection radius. Anyone know definitely?

Checking these sets and skills/buffs with ESO build editor gave this -0,5 detection value. So I guess if there was any limit in detection vs armors, the creators would include it in the calculation.
Ultimately we can check this on NPCs or in pvp - a great build for thiefs and spies .

Gargath

Pickpocketing has never been so easy and funny as it is with this build, they simply cannot see us now .


Also effective range from enemy NPCs before they see us (standing in front)