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Sotha Sil Speculation

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Judging by the concept art, his left arm is artificial. So speculation time: did he do this on purpose, or is this the result of some injury?
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  • Tyrobag
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    Could have just been a part of his endeavors to attain perfection, we know he eventually replaces most of his body parts. Its also possible that in his early experiments with Karenac's tools, he may have attempted to use Keening or Sunder without Wraithguard and been injured.
  • starkerealm
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    Tyrobag wrote: »
    Could have just been a part of his endeavors to attain perfection, we know he eventually replaces most of his body parts. Its also possible that in his early experiments with Karenac's tools, he may have attempted to use Keening or Sunder without Wraithguard and been injured.

    Or intentionally replaced it so that he could use Keening and Sunder without Wraithguard. As I recall, Vivec keeps the Gauntlet, while the tools themselves are up in the Dwemer Ruins.
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    DC will nightcap then log off.

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  • Jacen_Veron
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    My biggest issue is his lack of shoes.
    Clockwork metal floors must get cold, right?
  • Tyrobag
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    Tyrobag wrote: »
    Could have just been a part of his endeavors to attain perfection, we know he eventually replaces most of his body parts. Its also possible that in his early experiments with Karenac's tools, he may have attempted to use Keening or Sunder without Wraithguard and been injured.

    Or intentionally replaced it so that he could use Keening and Sunder without Wraithguard. As I recall, Vivec keeps the Gauntlet, while the tools themselves are up in the Dwemer Ruins.

    Keening and Sunder were only in Odrosal and Vemynal because they were taken from Almalexia and Sotha Sil by Dagoth Ur's forces. Vivec still had Wraithguard because he wasn't with Almalexia and Sotha Sil when they were attacked. Up until then the AlmSiVi each kept one of the tools. The tools weren't taken from the AlmSiVi until the third era, so as of right now they should still have them.
  • Eporem
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    I speculate:) an injury, which showed him how vulnerable flesh and bone can be.
  • MythicEmperor
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    Tyrobag wrote: »
    Tyrobag wrote: »
    Could have just been a part of his endeavors to attain perfection, we know he eventually replaces most of his body parts. Its also possible that in his early experiments with Karenac's tools, he may have attempted to use Keening or Sunder without Wraithguard and been injured.

    Or intentionally replaced it so that he could use Keening and Sunder without Wraithguard. As I recall, Vivec keeps the Gauntlet, while the tools themselves are up in the Dwemer Ruins.

    Keening and Sunder were only in Odrosal and Vemynal because they were taken from Almalexia and Sotha Sil by Dagoth Ur's forces. Vivec still had Wraithguard because he wasn't with Almalexia and Sotha Sil when they were attacked. Up until then the AlmSiVi each kept one of the tools. The tools weren't taken from the AlmSiVi until the third era, so as of right now they should still have them.

    Established and sensible lore? Bah, that has no place in ESO :wink:
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    Tyrobag wrote: »
    Tyrobag wrote: »
    Could have just been a part of his endeavors to attain perfection, we know he eventually replaces most of his body parts. Its also possible that in his early experiments with Karenac's tools, he may have attempted to use Keening or Sunder without Wraithguard and been injured.

    Or intentionally replaced it so that he could use Keening and Sunder without Wraithguard. As I recall, Vivec keeps the Gauntlet, while the tools themselves are up in the Dwemer Ruins.

    Keening and Sunder were only in Odrosal and Vemynal because they were taken from Almalexia and Sotha Sil by Dagoth Ur's forces. Vivec still had Wraithguard because he wasn't with Almalexia and Sotha Sil when they were attacked. Up until then the AlmSiVi each kept one of the tools. The tools weren't taken from the AlmSiVi until the third era, so as of right now they should still have them.

    Then that would still leave Sotha Sil with a tool and the inability to handle it, so, we're back to him having a very valid reason to replace his arm.
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  • Tyrobag
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    Tyrobag wrote: »
    Tyrobag wrote: »
    Could have just been a part of his endeavors to attain perfection, we know he eventually replaces most of his body parts. Its also possible that in his early experiments with Karenac's tools, he may have attempted to use Keening or Sunder without Wraithguard and been injured.

    Or intentionally replaced it so that he could use Keening and Sunder without Wraithguard. As I recall, Vivec keeps the Gauntlet, while the tools themselves are up in the Dwemer Ruins.

    Keening and Sunder were only in Odrosal and Vemynal because they were taken from Almalexia and Sotha Sil by Dagoth Ur's forces. Vivec still had Wraithguard because he wasn't with Almalexia and Sotha Sil when they were attacked. Up until then the AlmSiVi each kept one of the tools. The tools weren't taken from the AlmSiVi until the third era, so as of right now they should still have them.

    Then that would still leave Sotha Sil with a tool and the inability to handle it, so, we're back to him having a very valid reason to replace his arm.

    I was just correcting that you thought Keening and Sunder were always left in Odrosal and Vemynal, which is not correct.

    Personally, I believe that replacing his arm was simply the first step in his journey towards perfection. But if it was due to injury, it would have had to have been from one of the tools, as he could have simply healed any other injury with magic.
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    I like the idea that it was due to tool usage, but there's one issue with it: Almalexia doesn't have a similar arm.
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  • starkerealm
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    I like the idea that it was due to tool usage, but there's one issue with it: Almalexia doesn't have a similar arm.

    She's also not a tinkerer, the way Sotha Sil is. Also, there's the vanity factor with her.
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    She's also not a tinkerer, the way Sotha Sil is. Also, there's the vanity factor with her.

    Irrelevant; that would not have stopped her from being injured by her tool. And they made that pilgrimage on a yearly basis, so any injury being sustained by either of them is minor enough it can be healed away. Thus, while it's not impossible for Sotha Sil to have decided, 'hey, I'm tired of burning my hand every time I pick this thing up, let's replace that limb with metal' - that's still a conscious decision on his part to replace it because he wanted an upgrade, not a limb replacement because he had no other choice.

    It's admittedly not impossible that he tried to do something out of the ordinary with the tools (as far as the word 'ordinary' has any meaning when applied to artifacts used to strike the heart of a dead god), but the Tribunal's 'normal' usage shouldn't be enough for one of them to require a limb replacement.

    One possibility I haven't seen spelled out yet is that he lost the arm to a Daedric Prince. Mehrunes Dagon ought to have been capable of inflicting a serious enough injury to require limb replacement, and Sotha Sil helped fight him a few centuries back.

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  • Tyrobag
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    She's also not a tinkerer, the way Sotha Sil is. Also, there's the vanity factor with her.

    Irrelevant; that would not have stopped her from being injured by her tool. And they made that pilgrimage on a yearly basis, so any injury being sustained by either of them is minor enough it can be healed away. Thus, while it's not impossible for Sotha Sil to have decided, 'hey, I'm tired of burning my hand every time I pick this thing up, let's replace that limb with metal' - that's still a conscious decision on his part to replace it because he wanted an upgrade, not a limb replacement because he had no other choice.

    It's admittedly not impossible that he tried to do something out of the ordinary with the tools (as far as the word 'ordinary' has any meaning when applied to artifacts used to strike the heart of a dead god), but the Tribunal's 'normal' usage shouldn't be enough for one of them to require a limb replacement.

    One possibility I haven't seen spelled out yet is that he lost the arm to a Daedric Prince. Mehrunes Dagon ought to have been capable of inflicting a serious enough injury to require limb replacement, and Sotha Sil helped fight him a few centuries back.

    He was referring to the fact that she would have been far less tempted to meddle with the tools. Also, if Sotha Sil was injured by them, it would have been early on while he was trying to figure out how they worked, meaning he would have had all of the tools.

    Additionally, I don't believe that a limb replacement would stop one from getting wraithburn, If physical distance between yourself and the tools was all that was required, then any gauntlets would work and Wraithguard wouldn't be necessary. The Wraithburn from the tools isn't really a burn, its likely the tools attempting to draw out your power as they would the Heart of Lorkhan.
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