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https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/668861
Crown prices in China have exploded and it was not due to exchange rate
Darth_Trumpious
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For those of you that don't play on steam - games on steam were priced differently based on the purchasing power of different regions. Those "developing countries" (China, Russia etc) that have issues with either purchasing power or piracy often have games priced cheaper than the "first world", i.e. US, Canada and Europe etc.
Based on the prices charged on steam (China Region)
Before ZOS' price adjustment: 5500 Crowns = US$19.99
AFTER: 5500 Crowns = US$41.23 (Yes it is more expensive than US/Canada)
Adjustment effect: Price hike = 106%
Same treatment was done to Russia (more expensive than US/Canada)
I understand Gina has responded in another thread that "the changes was made in response to "exchange rate fluctuation" but a 106% jump in crown prices seems to be hard to justify and not consistent with what other games were priced on steam's China/Russia region.
Put all jokes on politics / hacking / botting / piracy aside, those who spent hard earned money (especially in the developing countries) on crowns are the legitimate gamers and customers of ZoS.
Could you please check with steam's usual practice on "developing countries" and review on the pricing policy or speak with the guy in charge? @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_MattFiror
Based on the prices charged on steam (China Region)
Before ZOS' price adjustment: 5500 Crowns = US$19.99
AFTER: 5500 Crowns = US$41.23 (Yes it is more expensive than US/Canada)
Adjustment effect: Price hike = 106%
Same treatment was done to Russia (more expensive than US/Canada)
I understand Gina has responded in another thread that "the changes was made in response to "exchange rate fluctuation" but a 106% jump in crown prices seems to be hard to justify and not consistent with what other games were priced on steam's China/Russia region.
Put all jokes on politics / hacking / botting / piracy aside, those who spent hard earned money (especially in the developing countries) on crowns are the legitimate gamers and customers of ZoS.
Could you please check with steam's usual practice on "developing countries" and review on the pricing policy or speak with the guy in charge? @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_MattFiror
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Slick_007✭✭✭✭✭
✭so now you're getting charged about the same as everyone else.
currently 49.95 AUD = 39.72USD for 5500
cant believe you got away with paying half of everyone else.35 -
Darth_Trumpious✭✭✭✭so now you're getting charged about the same as everyone else.
currently 49.95 AUD = 39.72USD for 5500
cant believe you got away with paying half of everyone else.
Cant believe you didn't read on the first part re steam pricing policy.Edited by Darth_Trumpious on September 4, 2017 7:20AM16 -
Slick_007✭✭✭✭✭
✭Darth_Trumpious wrote: »
the bit that was rewarding your country for piracy? and now you arent being rewarded for it. and paying about the same as everyone else.14 -
Darth_Trumpious✭✭✭✭Darth_Trumpious wrote: »
the bit that was rewarding your country for piracy? and now you arent being rewarded for it. and paying about the same as everyone else.
Haters gonna hate. If you don't really bother reading and get an understanding then you can keep being salty. As for me, I am not going waste my time feeding trolls.18 -
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✭✭✭✭Darth_Trumpious wrote: »Darth_Trumpious wrote: »
the bit that was rewarding your country for piracy? and now you arent being rewarded for it. and paying about the same as everyone else.
Haters gonna hate. If you don't really bother reading and get an understanding then you can keep being salty. As for me, I am not going waste my time feeding trolls.
Then maybe time to stop eating because you appear to be the biggest troll in this thread. Suck it up buttercup, everyone was affected by the price change. And as far as Steam pricing is concerned, the Australian Steam store lists all prices in USD so if you want to talk about getting screwed, you have nothing on what Australians have to go through.Gold Dragons Guildmaster PC-NACR2000+Kalthar Wolf-Brother – EP Templar - 50 Maeli Valen - EP NB - 50Naps-During-Trials – EP Templar - 50Rulnakh - EP Sorc - 50Azrael Krieg - EP NB – 50Uvithasa Telvanni – EP DK – 50More-Tail - EP Warden - 50Narile Galen - EP Sorc - 50Bone Soldier - EP Necro - 50Naps-During-Trails - EP Necro - 5010 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Darth_Trumpious wrote: »Those "developing countries" (China, Russia etc)...
So, hate to break it to you, but Russia and China are Second World countries, not Third. They're not LDCs, they're developed nations with their own, relatively healthy, economies. In fact, China has experienced explosive economic development in the past forty years. Can't say exactly the same thing about Russia, but that's an entirely different issue.9 -
Darth_Trumpious✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »Darth_Trumpious wrote: »Those "developing countries" (China, Russia etc)...
So, hate to break it to you, but Russia and China are Second World countries, not Third. They're not LDCs, they're developed nations with their own, relatively healthy, economies. In fact, China has experienced explosive economic development in the past forty years. Can't say exactly the same thing about Russia, but that's an entirely different issue.
You are the only person who made a sensible reply so far (though I am not here to take a lesson in economy or arguing with others over pointless topics). Thank you.
I do understand the fact that China appears to be one of the countries that had benefited from the economic growth, though from a personal perspective the individual players still suffer after the price change - in fact Russia/China are now playing over $40 for the 5500 crown packs when others are paying for less than $40.
I am just pointing out the adjustment might need to be reviewed, nothing else.8 -
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✭✭Darth_Trumpious wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Darth_Trumpious wrote: »Those "developing countries" (China, Russia etc)...
So, hate to break it to you, but Russia and China are Second World countries, not Third. They're not LDCs, they're developed nations with their own, relatively healthy, economies. In fact, China has experienced explosive economic development in the past forty years. Can't say exactly the same thing about Russia, but that's an entirely different issue.
You are the only person who made a sensible reply so far (though I am not here to take a lesson in economy or arguing with others over pointless topics). Thank you.
I do understand the fact that China appears to be one of the countries that had benefited from the economic growth, though from a personal perspective the individual players still suffer after the price change - in fact Russia/China are now playing over $40 for the 5500 crown packs when others are paying for less than $40.
I am just pointing out the adjustment might need to be reviewed, nothing else.
I am paying 35 euros for 5500 crowns. Please tell me more how im paying less than what they are.8 -
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✭Darth_Trumpious wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Darth_Trumpious wrote: »Those "developing countries" (China, Russia etc)...
So, hate to break it to you, but Russia and China are Second World countries, not Third. They're not LDCs, they're developed nations with their own, relatively healthy, economies. In fact, China has experienced explosive economic development in the past forty years. Can't say exactly the same thing about Russia, but that's an entirely different issue.
You are the only person who made a sensible reply so far (though I am not here to take a lesson in economy or arguing with others over pointless topics). Thank you.
I do understand the fact that China appears to be one of the countries that had benefited from the economic growth, though from a personal perspective the individual players still suffer after the price change - in fact Russia/China are now playing over $40 for the 5500 crown packs when others are paying for less than $40.
I am just pointing out the adjustment might need to be reviewed, nothing else.
I am paying 35 euros for 5500 crowns. Please tell me more how im paying less than what they are.
i think he means Australia. currently 49.95AUD is 39.74USD according to google. Mind you, thats not how our banks calculate it, then throw in the currency conversion fee from the bank too. i think its about $2.30 on my $78 subscription. but still, we're currently 26c below $40. that will change since its .8USD to 1 AUS, and the Aus reserve bank wants it to stay within .75-.80 range. so it will go down and that 26c will disappear.
apparently disagreeing with the OP makes one salty, when from their own words, china got a nice big discount for being big pirates of games for so long, and they now no longer get it. i can't help but laugh.7 -
Meld777✭✭✭✭✭Isn't it also about making things affordable for similar "work effort". Teachers in Germany make 3000€ upwards, up to ~6000€, depending on their position. Teachers in Russia, with exactly the same amount of work, make between 200€ and 500€ a month. 500€ in case they're school directors, which is only 1 person per school. And I'm not talking about some villages. I'm talking about salaries in large cities, like Moscow or St. Petersburg.cant believe you got away with paying half of everyone else.
Stop thinking about numbers for a moment, and consider work effort. Those "everyone else" probably don't pay as much as their rent for a pack of crowns. Why would you expect 3rd world countries to pay that? The game profits from having more players in it. It's called revenue management. Since crowns are not a limited resource, ZOS try to exhaust people's willingness to pay. And it's not measured in €. It's measured in how many hours of equal work you're willing to put into a pack of crowns, or two, or a subscription, and then adjusted to the country's economy.Maelstrom Arena Champion | Undaunted | Fighters Guild Victor
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Darth_Trumpious✭✭✭✭Swifigames wrote: »
Yea - this is always how it ended up with. Sorry -_-2 -
Slick_007✭✭✭✭✭
✭Isn't it also about making things affordable for similar "work effort". Teachers in Germany make 3000€ upwards, up to ~6000€, depending on their position. Teachers in Russia, with exactly the same amount of work, make between 200€ and 500€ a month. 500€ in case they're school directors, which is only 1 person per school. And I'm not talking about some villages. I'm talking about salaries in large cities, like Moscow or St. Petersburg.cant believe you got away with paying half of everyone else.
Stop thinking about numbers for a moment, and consider work effort. Those "everyone else" probably don't pay as much as their rent for a pack of crowns. Why would you expect 3rd world countries to pay that? The game profits from having more players in it. It's called revenue management. Since crowns are not a limited resource, ZOS try to exhaust people's willingness to pay. And it's not measured in €. It's measured in how many hours of equal work you're willing to put into a pack of crowns, or two, or a subscription, and then adjusted to the country's economy.
i live in a country where we have what we call the 'Australia Tax' - that thing where every single thing screws us simply for being Australia. We get our own gimped netflix lineup, up until recently we didnt even have that. Up til recently we got movies at the cinema when we could buy them on BD because it had been out so long. Software, sometimes twice the price of other countries. Years ago i bought my friend a cd for his birthday, of an Australian band, and i had to import it to Australia. We've been screwed so hard, for so long, by so many people that when other people whinge about it happening to them, i just say welcome to our world. When i go overseas, i can bring back alcohol NOT duty free, thats still 2/3 of the price i can buy it for locally. and thats taking into account the exchange rate.
Your idea is great in theory. Unfortunately its not the world we live in. nor the country i live in. Don't get me wrong, Australia is a great place. Until you want to buy something.7 -
Denyiir✭✭✭✭so now you're getting charged about the same as everyone else.
currently 49.95 AUD = 39.72USD for 5500
cant believe you got away with paying half of everyone else.
Average monthly income in Russia is 400$, in Australia it's 4000$, can't belive people can be so dumb...
Even if you had to pay two times more than them, you still are earning 10 times more...Edited by Denyiir on September 4, 2017 11:35AM15 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Yeah, back in the 80s (I think) someone in the Australian government got the idea that they wanted to prop up their domestic entertainment industry. So, they put a huge import tariff on entertainment media. As I recall, this runs somewhere around 20% before you factor in other considerations like the exchange rate.
The idea was, if it cost more to watch an American film, as opposed to an Australian one, that people would be more willing to watch the local ones. Because of how it's written, this also applies to video games, books (I think), music, and pretty much whatever. If it wasn't produced domestically, the tariff goes on it.
Unfortunately, entertainment media isn't completely equivalent, it's not like picking between soda. Case in point: if you're a fan of The Elder Scrolls, it's not like you're going to find an Aussie developer turning out their own MMO that will actually satisfy that interest.6 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Why would you expect 3rd world countries to pay that?
Again, second world, not third.
So, the three world model comes from The Cold War. A group of non-aligned states designated themselves, "The Third World," sometime in the 70s (I can go dig up the date, if you're really curious). Indicating that they were affiliated with neither the NATO powers nor the Soviet Bloc. They called the NATO states (so, the US and Western Europe, and their allies) The First World. They called the Warsaw Pact states, and their allies, The Second World. That's Russia and Eastern Europe, though China and some parts of South East Asia do qualify. There's also a smattering of countries around the world that still technically fall under one group or the other.
Now, to be fair, no professional Political Scientist still uses this, except as extreme shorthand, but the term has passed into general parlance. Thing is, it still doesn't apply. A lot of people use Third World as shorthand for an LDC (Least Developed Country), but, that doesn't actually apply to Russia or China.
Like I said, Russia has a lot of problems, unrelated to this, but it's really not a third world country.9 -
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✭✭✭✭✭You got to pay an extra for enjoying the huge ping to boot? Sounds like it's still like a prison colony for outcasts ... I feel sorry for all the Australians
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Kneighbors✭✭✭✭✭Darth_Trumpious wrote: »
the bit that was rewarding your country for piracy? and now you arent being rewarded for it. and paying about the same as everyone else.
He made a mistake. The primary reason is the income in these countries. I understand you are living in your own world, but did you ever hear that in some countries people's median wage under 500$?
Comparing Australia to China and Russia? You are living in a box, are you?
Now I think it is correct to look only from business view on that matter. I don't think they will get best profit by pricing crowns equally for Australia, China and Russia. Want to maximize the profits? The difference must be x3 for Australia. Rich country with high income, 50$ is nothing for a dude living in a box in Australia. For China/Russia I'd put it for 15$ max if I wanted to sell it. If you don't like to sell, 50$ would be the correct price.
All about money in the end.14 -
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✭✭✭✭✭The point they are raising is the price changes are unjustified based on the official reply. Regardless of how you feel about what the prices were, if your price changed by 100% in US$ there would be pages of threads.
That's the point....it's selfish to read this and then say well "my situation...so you should've paid what I'm paying".
Conversion rates don't work that way, therefore 1 doesn't equal 1 everywhere but this change assumes so.Edited by NewBlacksmurf on September 4, 2017 12:19PM-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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✭✭✭✭✭Having the same amounz regardless of country seems weird...35 eur for 5k crowns for me as a person with a good salary from a rich country seems very expensive, in most other nations this seems insane probably...prices are usually adjusted for ppp...i mean the average salary in poland i sloke 1000 eur? In my country its 5000 eur, you cant expect them to pay the same5 -
Davor✭✭✭✭✭
✭Darth_Trumpious wrote: »[- in fact Russia/China are now playing over $40 for the 5500 crown packs when others are paying for less than $40.
I am just pointing out the adjustment might need to be reviewed, nothing else.
$50 in Canada. So I am guessing they are all close to being the same. Weird never saw this before, but $180 crown packs now? Wow.
Not my quote but I love this saying
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✭✭✭Why do you people even buy crowns???
I simply don't understand it.
Anyway, this is called price elasticity of demand.
They believe the demand for crowns won't change much with a change in price. It has nothing to do with exchange rates, they're just being greedy idiots.
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ScytheNL✭✭✭✭Ok, so what you are actually saying is, when you were paying less than the rest of us, that was fair policy, and now you are paying more and it's somehow unfair.
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ScytheNL✭✭✭✭Nemesis7884 wrote: »Having the same amounz regardless of country seems weird...35 eur for 5k crowns for me as a person with a good salary from a rich country seems very expensive, in most other nations this seems insane probably...prices are usually adjusted for ppp...i mean the average salary in poland i sloke 1000 eur? In my country its 5000 eur, you cant expect them to pay the same
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✭✭KennyFknPowers wrote: »so now you're getting charged about the same as everyone else.
currently 49.95 AUD = 39.72USD for 5500
cant believe you got away with paying half of everyone else.
Average monthly income in Russia is 400$, in Australia it's 4000$, can't belive people can be so dumb...
Even if you had to pay two times more than them, you still are earning 10 times more...
Can you even comprehend what you just said?
Average income is 400 and u are paying real money (10% of ur income) for virtual currency in a game? Yeah totally agree, cant believe people can be so dumb.2 -
sudaki_eso✭✭✭✭✭I am surprised that nobody suggested that OP should look for a new hobby if gaming gets too expensive for him. Thats what usually happens at my local gaming forum when people complaining about prizes
I can understand you OP that you are mad about the new prizes and like someone else mentioned here, if this would have happend to the US, people would be spamming the forums. But...crowns are optional for this game and if it bothers you dont spend...PS4 EU - StamDK2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭sudaki_eso wrote: »I am surprised that nobody suggested that OP should look for a new hobby if gaming gets too expensive for him. Thats what usually happens at my local gaming forum when people complaining about prizes
I can understand you OP that you are mad about the new prizes and like someone else mentioned here, if this would have happend to the US, people would be spamming the forums. But...crowns are optional for this game and if it bothers you dont spend...
It would seem they are upset because crowns are not optional. You comment as if the person expressing concern has the option to play dlc without buying it where in all cases, you have to buy crowns for all dlc except the gold edition if you're new and Morrowind.-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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✭✭✭✭✭For all those people who don't get it - let me paint a picture for you:
it is not about piracy or anything like that. It is about "Purchasing power"
Imagine you have a video game - "AAA" title for about 60$.
If you live in USA (or pretty much any other "rich" country).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita
You have a job, you earn money, you buy food, medicines etc. - You are an "Average Joe" - and this 60$ is not that much for your budget.
Now imagine that you live in not-so-rich country but still - not that bad.... You have a job, you earn money, you buy food, medicines etc. - You are an "Average Joe" - but, because you live in a little less "rich" country you still earn proportionally same amount of money (income vs. expenses).... but the game still cost 60$. When you convert it to yours country currency this 60$ becomes 100... 150.. 200 (insert currency symbol here).
To make it clear it is as if you lived in USA and that game costed 200$. That is why prices were (or should be) adjusted to its market.10
