[stamblade discussion] bone pirate vs ethernal hunt

Trashs1

hello every one.

first of all ii want to share you my current stamblade pvp build (cp/nocp everywhere)

im using a vma nirn 2h axe, 3 agility, 1 pice of the domihaus set and 1 pice of krags set. Backbar im using a random infused bow with weapon dmg enchant.

the remaining 5 pices are bone pirate, paired ofc with the camaron throne food.

i want now discuss the usefulness to giving up 3k of stamina for the dodge roll proc of ethernal hunt. if you brake this 2 sets down its that simple. reagen is almost the same.

tl:dr whats more suitable and useful for you experienced players out there:

3k stamina or ethernal hunt rune on every bar?

Wrecking_Blow_Spam

I've not ran both side by side, but I will say: with eternal hunt you can run jewels of misrule (max HP, stam+ mag rec) - this won't proc on bone pirate. Of course it means you sacrifice another 3k stamina from dubious.

I run bone pirate with blue rec food, I'd say it's much better open world than dubious drink, as the extra mag regen really comes in handy, especially when you're getting zerged down.

Only problem is hp is low so gotta run prismatics if using blue drinks.
For 1v1 for sure dubious prob better against tanky players, I guess it's just playstyle. But I noticed ppl who ignore mag regen on stamblade really struggle when out of mag.

Tigeracer

Eternal hunt is more defensive - bloody hilarious when people run into it and get immobilised.
Bone pirate can be used more aggressively - the extra stamina and little extra recovery stacks up.

I also run a stamblade. I tried the proc meta, when it first reared its head, but I sucked with it (I suck at "cheese" somehow). I then switched to bone pirate and destroy almost everyone I come up against.
Bone pirate with spriggan/hundings/automaton are all great set ups.

artal

I like bone pirate set but not that much on stamblade. Personally i play with shadow image and in bonepirate and dubious combination i really feel lack of magicka.

I did like shackle and bone combo a bit though but there are other combinations that i like more.

joe.smith21b14_ESO

Eternal hunt is the way to go you can get way more damage out of it.

Koolio

Hard call for me. I run 5 BP front bar Eternal Hunt back bar with whatever flavor of monster set I want.

Lexxypwns

Tigeracer wrote: »

Eternal hunt is more defensive - bloody hilarious when people run into it and get immobilised.
Bone pirate can be used more aggressively - the extra stamina and little extra recovery stacks up.

I also run a stamblade. I tried the proc meta, when it first reared its head, but I sucked with it (I suck at "cheese" somehow). I then switched to bone pirate and destroy almost everyone I come up against.
Bone pirate with spriggan/hundings/automaton are all great set ups.

Nah, eternal hunt is an offensive set disguised as a sustain set, you animation cancel your incap with a dodge roll through your target and add burst damage and a root to your combo.

Once you master the offensive dodge roll cancel you'll have more burst with eternal hunt and get the defensive utility while not having to be tied to dubious camoran throne.

Koolio

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Tigeracer wrote: »

Eternal hunt is more defensive - bloody hilarious when people run into it and get immobilised.
Bone pirate can be used more aggressively - the extra stamina and little extra recovery stacks up.

I also run a stamblade. I tried the proc meta, when it first reared its head, but I sucked with it (I suck at "cheese" somehow). I then switched to bone pirate and destroy almost everyone I come up against.
Bone pirate with spriggan/hundings/automaton are all great set ups.

Nah, eternal hunt is an offensive set disguised as a sustain set, you animation cancel your incap with a dodge roll through your target and add burst damage and a root to your combo.

Once you master the offensive dodge roll cancel you'll have more burst with eternal hunt and get the defensive utility while not having to be tied to dubious camoran throne.

^

Trashs1

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Tigeracer wrote: »

Eternal hunt is more defensive - bloody hilarious when people run into it and get immobilised.
Bone pirate can be used more aggressively - the extra stamina and little extra recovery stacks up.

I also run a stamblade. I tried the proc meta, when it first reared its head, but I sucked with it (I suck at "cheese" somehow). I then switched to bone pirate and destroy almost everyone I come up against.
Bone pirate with spriggan/hundings/automaton are all great set ups.

Nah, eternal hunt is an offensive set disguised as a sustain set, you animation cancel your incap with a dodge roll through your target and add burst damage and a root to your combo.

Once you master the offensive dodge roll cancel you'll have more burst with eternal hunt and get the defensive utility while not having to be tied to dubious camoran throne.

yes i thought something similar. thx for this post.

well maybe i have to try it myself

what food do u sugest if not camoran throne?´with the jewels i loose even more stamina and with 3 stat food i have to change warrior mundus in the serpient

actosh

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Tigeracer wrote: »

Eternal hunt is more defensive - bloody hilarious when people run into it and get immobilised.
Bone pirate can be used more aggressively - the extra stamina and little extra recovery stacks up.

I also run a stamblade. I tried the proc meta, when it first reared its head, but I sucked with it (I suck at "cheese" somehow). I then switched to bone pirate and destroy almost everyone I come up against.
Bone pirate with spriggan/hundings/automaton are all great set ups.

Nah, eternal hunt is an offensive set disguised as a sustain set, you animation cancel your incap with a dodge roll through your target and add burst damage and a root to your combo.

Once you master the offensive dodge roll cancel you'll have more burst with eternal hunt and get the defensive utility while not having to be tied to dubious camoran throne.

Been trying this at the moment and it is fun.
If it works the burst is awesome. Even in no cp.

Morgul667

actosh wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Tigeracer wrote: »

Eternal hunt is more defensive - bloody hilarious when people run into it and get immobilised.
Bone pirate can be used more aggressively - the extra stamina and little extra recovery stacks up.

I also run a stamblade. I tried the proc meta, when it first reared its head, but I sucked with it (I suck at "cheese" somehow). I then switched to bone pirate and destroy almost everyone I come up against.
Bone pirate with spriggan/hundings/automaton are all great set ups.

Nah, eternal hunt is an offensive set disguised as a sustain set, you animation cancel your incap with a dodge roll through your target and add burst damage and a root to your combo.

Once you master the offensive dodge roll cancel you'll have more burst with eternal hunt and get the defensive utility while not having to be tied to dubious camoran throne.

Been trying this at the moment and it is fun.
If it works the burst is awesome. Even in no cp.

How to do that ?

actosh

Morgul667 wrote: »

actosh wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Tigeracer wrote: »

Eternal hunt is more defensive - bloody hilarious when people run into it and get immobilised.
Bone pirate can be used more aggressively - the extra stamina and little extra recovery stacks up.

I also run a stamblade. I tried the proc meta, when it first reared its head, but I sucked with it (I suck at "cheese" somehow). I then switched to bone pirate and destroy almost everyone I come up against.
Bone pirate with spriggan/hundings/automaton are all great set ups.

Nah, eternal hunt is an offensive set disguised as a sustain set, you animation cancel your incap with a dodge roll through your target and add burst damage and a root to your combo.

Once you master the offensive dodge roll cancel you'll have more burst with eternal hunt and get the defensive utility while not having to be tied to dubious camoran throne.

Been trying this at the moment and it is fun.
If it works the burst is awesome. Even in no cp.

How to do that ?

To do what? ^^

Morgul667

The offensive dodge roll with wternal hunt? I wish to learn it

actosh

Maybe @Lexxypwns will create a vid about it.
I been playin ng all day and if i feel confident to explain it i will.

Running impreg domi and hunt all well fitted puts my roll under 2k stam cost. So lots of rolls.

leem1988

Anyone tried this yet? Shackle/bone/1veli 5 heavy 2 medium? Less dodge rolls, but more tankiness, and better heals, especially with argonian.

actosh

leem1988 wrote: »

Anyone tried this yet? Shackle/bone/1veli 5 heavy 2 medium? Less dodge rolls, but more tankiness, and better heals, especially with argonian.

Miruku plays shackle+bone+ 1 domi but in medium. Heavy Armor is only usefull if u go for a block build in my opinion but i may will tomorrow be testing my setup in heavy.

Currently i like my 5hunt/5impreg/1domi (2hand/bow) in bg and no cp cyro.

Lexxypwns

Morgul667 wrote: »

actosh wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Tigeracer wrote: »

Eternal hunt is more defensive - bloody hilarious when people run into it and get immobilised.
Bone pirate can be used more aggressively - the extra stamina and little extra recovery stacks up.

I also run a stamblade. I tried the proc meta, when it first reared its head, but I sucked with it (I suck at "cheese" somehow). I then switched to bone pirate and destroy almost everyone I come up against.
Bone pirate with spriggan/hundings/automaton are all great set ups.

Nah, eternal hunt is an offensive set disguised as a sustain set, you animation cancel your incap with a dodge roll through your target and add burst damage and a root to your combo.

Once you master the offensive dodge roll cancel you'll have more burst with eternal hunt and get the defensive utility while not having to be tied to dubious camoran throne.

Been trying this at the moment and it is fun.
If it works the burst is awesome. Even in no cp.

How to do that ?

Equip eternal hunt, roll dodge forward and notice where the rune is. Now, try to position yourself in combat so that the rune is placed below the enemy when you roll and auto procs.

A typical combo would be fear, incap-roll dodge. This adds basically 2k damage to your burst, it's a proc set with sustain 2-4 pc

@LeifErickson has videos from previous patches where he uses it offensively on stamblade. He's the one I got the idea from anyway.

Lexxypwns

actosh wrote: »

leem1988 wrote: »

Anyone tried this yet? Shackle/bone/1veli 5 heavy 2 medium? Less dodge rolls, but more tankiness, and better heals, especially with argonian.

Miruku plays shackle+bone+ 1 domi but in medium. Heavy Armor is only usefull if u go for a block build in my opinion but i may will tomorrow be testing my setup in heavy.

Currently i like my 5hunt/5impreg/1domi (2hand/bow) in bg and no cp cyro.

Heavy has terrible synergy with stamblade because when using roll dodge into cloak for forced crit heals and forced misses you make it harder to charge wrath or reliably get constitution returns. Just my 2 cents

Morgul667

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Morgul667 wrote: »

actosh wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Tigeracer wrote: »

Eternal hunt is more defensive - bloody hilarious when people run into it and get immobilised.
Bone pirate can be used more aggressively - the extra stamina and little extra recovery stacks up.

I also run a stamblade. I tried the proc meta, when it first reared its head, but I sucked with it (I suck at "cheese" somehow). I then switched to bone pirate and destroy almost everyone I come up against.
Bone pirate with spriggan/hundings/automaton are all great set ups.

Nah, eternal hunt is an offensive set disguised as a sustain set, you animation cancel your incap with a dodge roll through your target and add burst damage and a root to your combo.

Once you master the offensive dodge roll cancel you'll have more burst with eternal hunt and get the defensive utility while not having to be tied to dubious camoran throne.

Been trying this at the moment and it is fun.
If it works the burst is awesome. Even in no cp.

How to do that ?

Equip eternal hunt, roll dodge forward and notice where the rune is. Now, try to position yourself in combat so that the rune is placed below the enemy when you roll and auto procs.

A typical combo would be fear, incap-roll dodge. This adds basically 2k damage to your burst, it's a proc set with sustain 2-4 pc

@LeifErickson has videos from previous patches where he uses it offensively on stamblade. He's the one I got the idea from anyway.

Thanks but i fail to understand how this works as the rune of eternal hunt is supposed to be at roll dodge starting point

So if i roll dodge then ambush or ambush then roll dodge the rune does not seem to be in an appropriate position?

revonine

I was never a fan of bone pirate on stamblade, sure your damage and healing will be better, but I'd much prefer to run a different sustain set (willows path now maybe) paired with gold food. Stamblade has too many vital expensive magicka dumps. Ethernal Hunt I found is very nice as it can allow you to pull off more consistent cloaks when escaping and the rooting allows you to expend opponents resources.
I would not worry about the missing offensive stats from not using bone pirate, as a stamblade your combo's are still lethal.

I'd run dubious and bone all day long on other stam builds tho, as I currently am on my stamplar.

Lexxypwns

revonine wrote: »

I was never a fan of bone pirate on stamblade, sure your damage and healing will be better, but I'd much prefer to run a different sustain set (willows path now maybe) paired with gold food. Stamblade has too many vital expensive magicka dumps. Ethernal Hunt I found is very nice as it can allow you to pull off more consistent cloaks when escaping and the rooting allows you to expend opponents resources.
I would not worry about the missing offensive stats from not using bone pirate, as a stamblade your combo's are still lethal.

I'd run dubious and bone all day long on other stam builds tho, as I currently am on my stamplar.

Eternal hunt is good, but you will indeed need magika sustain it doesn't provide, but since you can proc damage off of it you can pair it with a second set that also offers some magika sustain, like shackle.

Lexxypwns

Morgul667 wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Morgul667 wrote: »

actosh wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Tigeracer wrote: »

Eternal hunt is more defensive - bloody hilarious when people run into it and get immobilised.
Bone pirate can be used more aggressively - the extra stamina and little extra recovery stacks up.

I also run a stamblade. I tried the proc meta, when it first reared its head, but I sucked with it (I suck at "cheese" somehow). I then switched to bone pirate and destroy almost everyone I come up against.
Bone pirate with spriggan/hundings/automaton are all great set ups.

Nah, eternal hunt is an offensive set disguised as a sustain set, you animation cancel your incap with a dodge roll through your target and add burst damage and a root to your combo.

Once you master the offensive dodge roll cancel you'll have more burst with eternal hunt and get the defensive utility while not having to be tied to dubious camoran throne.

Been trying this at the moment and it is fun.
If it works the burst is awesome. Even in no cp.

How to do that ?

Equip eternal hunt, roll dodge forward and notice where the rune is. Now, try to position yourself in combat so that the rune is placed below the enemy when you roll and auto procs.

A typical combo would be fear, incap-roll dodge. This adds basically 2k damage to your burst, it's a proc set with sustain 2-4 pc

@LeifErickson has videos from previous patches where he uses it offensively on stamblade. He's the one I got the idea from anyway.

Thanks but i fail to understand how this works as the rune of eternal hunt is supposed to be at roll dodge starting point

So if i roll dodge then ambush or ambush then roll dodge the rune does not seem to be in an appropriate position?

It's been a while since I ran it, but I know you can 100% effectively use the rune as an offensive proc. It's literally not hard at all, I was able to equip the set and immediately put it to offensive use as an average at best stamblade. You just dodge cancel heavy hitting abilities while dodge rolling THROUGH the opponent.

revonine

Lexxypwns wrote: »

revonine wrote: »

I was never a fan of bone pirate on stamblade, sure your damage and healing will be better, but I'd much prefer to run a different sustain set (willows path now maybe) paired with gold food. Stamblade has too many vital expensive magicka dumps. Ethernal Hunt I found is very nice as it can allow you to pull off more consistent cloaks when escaping and the rooting allows you to expend opponents resources.
I would not worry about the missing offensive stats from not using bone pirate, as a stamblade your combo's are still lethal.

I'd run dubious and bone all day long on other stam builds tho, as I currently am on my stamplar.

Eternal hunt is good, but you will indeed need magika sustain it doesn't provide, but since you can proc damage off of it you can pair it with a second set that also offers some magika sustain, like shackle.

Very true, shackle + bone pirate + vma weapons is a very nice build, beefy stats all round.

Brrrofski

Lexxypwns wrote: »

revonine wrote: »

I was never a fan of bone pirate on stamblade, sure your damage and healing will be better, but I'd much prefer to run a different sustain set (willows path now maybe) paired with gold food. Stamblade has too many vital expensive magicka dumps. Ethernal Hunt I found is very nice as it can allow you to pull off more consistent cloaks when escaping and the rooting allows you to expend opponents resources.
I would not worry about the missing offensive stats from not using bone pirate, as a stamblade your combo's are still lethal.

I'd run dubious and bone all day long on other stam builds tho, as I currently am on my stamplar.

Eternal hunt is good, but you will indeed need magika sustain it doesn't provide, but since you can proc damage off of it you can pair it with a second set that also offers some magika sustain, like shackle.

Yeh, I use that now.

When patch drops think I might switch it up.

5 bone pirate
1 domahaus (whatever it's called)
4 eternal hunt
VMA 2h (nirn)
Eternal hunt bow (infused with wd)

Dubious
Atronach mundus

Going all damage glyphs might get it to nice damage while having good Stam sustain, high max stam and the run on back bar.

I'll put it together and post stats here after patch on Tuesday.

deepseamk20b14_ESO

The way I always did the IC eternal hunt combo was using IC and roll dodge animation canceling it. Obviously roll dodging through the enemy. However, I find I do more damage animation canceling IC with a quick block and following up with surprise attack. But that's just my take.

Lexxypwns

Brrrofski wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

revonine wrote: »

I was never a fan of bone pirate on stamblade, sure your damage and healing will be better, but I'd much prefer to run a different sustain set (willows path now maybe) paired with gold food. Stamblade has too many vital expensive magicka dumps. Ethernal Hunt I found is very nice as it can allow you to pull off more consistent cloaks when escaping and the rooting allows you to expend opponents resources.
I would not worry about the missing offensive stats from not using bone pirate, as a stamblade your combo's are still lethal.

I'd run dubious and bone all day long on other stam builds tho, as I currently am on my stamplar.

Eternal hunt is good, but you will indeed need magika sustain it doesn't provide, but since you can proc damage off of it you can pair it with a second set that also offers some magika sustain, like shackle.

Yeh, I use that now.

When patch drops think I might switch it up.

5 bone pirate
1 domahaus (whatever it's called)
4 eternal hunt
VMA 2h (nirn)
Eternal hunt bow (infused with wd)

Dubious
Atronach mundus

Going all damage glyphs might get it to nice damage while having good Stam sustain, high max stam and the run on back bar.

I'll put it together and post stats here after patch on Tuesday.

I personally think being able to use the rune on front bar, for offensive runes, is going to do more for your build than 1 Domi tbh. Eternal hunt is one of the few remaining useful damage proc sets for stamina in PVP.