Spinner question (sorc PVE)

PlautisCarvain

Hello, I was questioning myself should I put spinner 5 pieces front bar, then my master lightning back bar or spinner on both bar? Which one would result of a better dps? (Bot sharpened) like, does it worth it having spinner on my elemental blockade and liquid lightning bar?

Dymence

Don't use spinner and don't use master staves. That'll result in better DPS.

Brrrofski

Yeh, you want neither to be honest.

Even in 4 man content 14k pen is like standard. No need to invest more into pen.

And master staff is no good for Pve really.

PlautisCarvain

I don't have any other staff... don't have VMA staff. And I'll not run Maelstrom arena because I don't want to and that wouldn't be fun. Got most important to do in life. Was just wondering

WhoSlappedThePie

Just do maelstrom arena lol... it's not that hard and it's a fun challenge.

As Shia leBouf says... Just... Do... It!

...spinners is not good. Master is not good either for DPS class. Master Resto is great for a healer.

Malmai

WhoSlappedThePie wrote: »

Just do maelstrom arena lol... it's not that hard and it's a fun challenge.

As Shia leBouf says... Just... Do... It!

...spinners is not good. Master is not good either for DPS class. Master Resto is great for a healer.

Why u forcing him if he said he wont do. It its a waste of time...

Beardimus

Interesting everyone is anti spinner here, yet in the recent testing it seemed to be strong post patch?

PlautisCarvain

WhoSlappedThePie wrote: »

Just do maelstrom arena lol... it's not that hard and it's a fun challenge.

As Shia leBouf says... Just... Do... It!

...spinners is not good. Master is not good either for DPS class. Master Resto is great for a healer.

Hey what's is your problem? I am not going to do vet Maelstrom. Get on it. Its a game. Do it if you want, but I won't. This is not fun at all and it's a complete waste of time. I don't give a damn getting a good dps in a VIDEO GAME.

PlautisCarvain

Beardimus wrote: »

Interesting everyone is anti spinner here, yet in the recent testing it seemed to be strong post patch?

Absolutely true. Spinner will be very good next patch, people just need to understand that there can be more than 1 SET in the game.

getemshauna

PlautisCarvain wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

Interesting everyone is anti spinner here, yet in the recent testing it seemed to be strong post patch?

Absolutely true. Spinner will be very good next patch, people just need to understand that there can be more than 1 SET in the game.

You can't say Spinner will be good or not lol. It depends of situation, group composition. If you are target dummy minmaxer it is gonna be bis for you.

PlautisCarvain

gethemshauna wrote: »

PlautisCarvain wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

Interesting everyone is anti spinner here, yet in the recent testing it seemed to be strong post patch?

Absolutely true. Spinner will be very good next patch, people just need to understand that there can be more than 1 SET in the game.

You can't say Spinner will be good or not lol. It depends of situation, group composition. If you are target dummy minmaxer it is gonna be bis for you.

True, I do VMOL etc.. wih 5 spinner, 4 infal, 2 illambris. If I can do what I'm tageting in the game, I'll stick with my build. DPS test is so biased.

Syrusthevirus187

PlautisCarvain wrote: »

I don't give a damn getting a good dps in a VIDEO GAME.

This whole thread was about you asking how to get better dps.

PlautisCarvain

Syrusthevirus187 wrote: »

PlautisCarvain wrote: »

I don't give a damn getting a good dps in a VIDEO GAME.

This whole thread was about you asking how to get better dps.

Wrong. I said if I could even get a better dps with my OWN build.

lillybit

Syrusthevirus187 wrote: »

PlautisCarvain wrote: »

I don't give a damn getting a good dps in a VIDEO GAME.

This whole thread was about you asking how to get better dps.

This whole thread was about him asking how to get better dps with his current sets.

Not everyone has to be the best of the best. He's found a combo that he like and that works for him. He just wanted to know which of two ways would work better.

If someone could answer what he actually asked instead of just telling him he's wrong, I'm sure he'll appreciate it

PlautisCarvain

lillybit wrote: »

Syrusthevirus187 wrote: »

PlautisCarvain wrote: »

I don't give a damn getting a good dps in a VIDEO GAME.

This whole thread was about you asking how to get better dps.

This whole thread was about him asking how to get better dps with his current sets.

Not everyone has to be the best of the best. He's found a combo that he like and that works for him. He just wanted to know which of two ways would work better.

If someone could answer what he actually asked instead of just telling him he's wrong, I'm sure he'll appreciate it

Thank you for this, this is very true. Tho we can't get rid of this game poisonous ego's community

WhoSlappedThePie

All I said was do maelstrom arena; it'll make you a better player. It's not a waste of time in my opinion as you learn a lot there...

...or are you scared?! Muahahhaha *evil laugh*

PlautisCarvain

WhoSlappedThePie wrote: »

All I said was do maelstrom arena; it'll make you a better player. It's not a waste of time in my opinion as you learn a lot there...

...or are you scared?! Muahahhaha *evil laugh*

I'm not scared. I'm just not stupid in my truly opinion

WaltherCarraway

Beardimus wrote: »

Interesting everyone is anti spinner here, yet in the recent testing it seemed to be strong post patch?

To some, whatever is not featured in meta is bad.

let them blinded so spinner user can have their time.

PlautisCarvain

WaltherCarraway wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

Interesting everyone is anti spinner here, yet in the recent testing it seemed to be strong post patch?

To some, whatever is not featured in meta is bad.

let them blinded so spinner user can have their time.

True, again! There are over 200 sets in this sets and you tell me there's only one that is good? Lol

WhoSlappedThePie

Theres quite a few that is better than spinner :P I think people are trying to help you.

But seriously though, give maelstrom a go... I'll help you if you want... if you're too scared to do it on your own... muahahhahah *evil laugh, again*

Exodium

Actually, no, not much is better than spinners. Consider that sharpened is getting nerfed, you get the luxury of running infused spinners with a spell damage or shock enchant, be able to put CP points into areas more important than spell erosion, AND get to choose a mundus other than the lover (like shadow or mage which will be amazing with divines gear).

So yeah, I think I'll take spinners any day. The most recently credible dps test also suggests its top tier.

PlautisCarvain

Exodium wrote: »

Actually, no, not much is better than spinners. Consider that sharpened is getting nerfed, you get the luxury of running spinners with an infused or shock enchant, be able to put CP points into areas more important than spell erosion, AND get to choose a mundus other than the lover (like shadow or mage which will be amazing with divines gear).

So yeah, I think I'll take spinners any day. The most recently credible dps test also suggests its top tier.

Finally a good answer ! Thank you! Yeah, most people don't see it yet, but Spinner is going to open a lot of possibilities and may even be BiS! I'll keep it

idk

The theorycrafters, who often test out their builds, are just beginning to post magicka builds. I would suggest checking for updated builds on http://tamrielfoundry.com/ or Alcasts sight for ideas.

GreenhaloX

Some peeps are calling Spinners BIS, but I prefer Destruction Mastery over Spinners. With DM, you get more max Majicka than Spinners, and also get crit and spell damage. I'm fine with dropping CP into Spell Erosion on the Champion tree. Hey, whatever.. to each their own.

seedubsrun

To answer your question (or at least offer my opinion on it) I'd keep your 5-piece on both bars. The master weapon is nice if you rely on destructive touch and the extra magicka is nice too but not really worth losing a 5-piece Spinners bonus over. All I really know about your set up though is that it involves 5 Spinners in some configuration. If it was a 5 Spinner armor/2 monster/ 3 jewelry set up then I'd say keep the master on your front bar and put a crafted on your back. If you're running a 5-5-1 set up then drop the master and maintain your 5 piece bonuses across the board

Edit: Oh and Spinners is awesome and will still be with HotR if specced out properly. Ironically for you, Spinners is great in Maelstrom Arena. I can understand not wanting to run it though. I probably need blood pressure meds because of it and have seriously considered putting my controller through my television many, many times. Others are right in saying it makes you a better player though. I'm significantly better having gotten good at it. Not worth it though if you game just for fun and relaxation

Dymence

PlautisCarvain wrote: »

Exodium wrote: »

Actually, no, not much is better than spinners. Consider that sharpened is getting nerfed, you get the luxury of running spinners with an infused or shock enchant, be able to put CP points into areas more important than spell erosion, AND get to choose a mundus other than the lover (like shadow or mage which will be amazing with divines gear).

So yeah, I think I'll take spinners any day. The most recently credible dps test also suggests its top tier.

Finally a good answer ! Thank you! Yeah, most people don't see it yet, but Spinner is going to open a lot of possibilities and may even be BiS! I'll keep it

Just because it agrees with your viewpoint doesn't make it a good answer. You get the most out of your damage running Julianos over spinner with an extra set (lots of possibilities here, maybe you could even fit your spinner here if you absolutely desire it) and a one piece monster set. Even if you don't run spinner you can run infused and apprentice. You get the needed pen out of CP and group buffs.

And Master staves are absolutely terrible. You don't want to farm VMA, that's fine. A crafted staff is still better than a master staff. Especially in a 5/5/1 scenario.

But you might want to open your mind a little bit and search for ways to improve on your own DPS with different sets. Not just for your own sake, but for the sake of your group aswell since you say you run vMoL.

Unless they're fine carrying you through.

dickeybarret

Much salt on these fourms sometimes. If someone can make wonky builds work and is pulling their weight in group content, then go for it! As to vma, yea get a clear if nothing else then to say you did it, but screw farming it until there is some sort of token system in place. Just my 2 gold on the subject.

PlautisCarvain

Dymence wrote: »

PlautisCarvain wrote: »

Exodium wrote: »

Actually, no, not much is better than spinners. Consider that sharpened is getting nerfed, you get the luxury of running spinners with an infused or shock enchant, be able to put CP points into areas more important than spell erosion, AND get to choose a mundus other than the lover (like shadow or mage which will be amazing with divines gear).

So yeah, I think I'll take spinners any day. The most recently credible dps test also suggests its top tier.

Finally a good answer ! Thank you! Yeah, most people don't see it yet, but Spinner is going to open a lot of possibilities and may even be BiS! I'll keep it

Just because it agrees with your viewpoint doesn't make it a good answer. You get the most out of your damage running Julianos over spinner with an extra set (lots of possibilities here, maybe you could even fit your spinner here if you absolutely desire it) and a one piece monster set. Even if you don't run spinner you can run infused and apprentice. You get the needed pen out of CP and group buffs.

And Master staves are absolutely terrible. You don't want to farm VMA, that's fine. A crafted staff is still better than a master staff. Especially in a 5/5/1 scenario.

But you might want to open your mind a little bit and search for ways to improve on your own DPS with different sets. Not just for your own sake, but for the sake of your group aswell since you say you run vMoL.

Unless they're fine carrying you through.

Thank you! I'm using destructive clench, so I'll keep using my master lightning staff

Dymence

PlautisCarvain wrote: »

Dymence wrote: »

PlautisCarvain wrote: »

Exodium wrote: »

Actually, no, not much is better than spinners. Consider that sharpened is getting nerfed, you get the luxury of running spinners with an infused or shock enchant, be able to put CP points into areas more important than spell erosion, AND get to choose a mundus other than the lover (like shadow or mage which will be amazing with divines gear).

So yeah, I think I'll take spinners any day. The most recently credible dps test also suggests its top tier.

Finally a good answer ! Thank you! Yeah, most people don't see it yet, but Spinner is going to open a lot of possibilities and may even be BiS! I'll keep it

Just because it agrees with your viewpoint doesn't make it a good answer. You get the most out of your damage running Julianos over spinner with an extra set (lots of possibilities here, maybe you could even fit your spinner here if you absolutely desire it) and a one piece monster set. Even if you don't run spinner you can run infused and apprentice. You get the needed pen out of CP and group buffs.

And Master staves are absolutely terrible. You don't want to farm VMA, that's fine. A crafted staff is still better than a master staff. Especially in a 5/5/1 scenario.

But you might want to open your mind a little bit and search for ways to improve on your own DPS with different sets. Not just for your own sake, but for the sake of your group aswell since you say you run vMoL.

Unless they're fine carrying you through.

Thank you! I'm using destructive clench, so I'll keep using my master lightning staff

Having a random crafted staff with a damage enchant on it will provide more damage than the Master staff buffs your clench, as it only buffs the initial impact hit damage by a measly amount.

PlautisCarvain

Dymence wrote: »

PlautisCarvain wrote: »

Dymence wrote: »

PlautisCarvain wrote: »

Exodium wrote: »

Actually, no, not much is better than spinners. Consider that sharpened is getting nerfed, you get the luxury of running spinners with an infused or shock enchant, be able to put CP points into areas more important than spell erosion, AND get to choose a mundus other than the lover (like shadow or mage which will be amazing with divines gear).

So yeah, I think I'll take spinners any day. The most recently credible dps test also suggests its top tier.

Finally a good answer ! Thank you! Yeah, most people don't see it yet, but Spinner is going to open a lot of possibilities and may even be BiS! I'll keep it

Just because it agrees with your viewpoint doesn't make it a good answer. You get the most out of your damage running Julianos over spinner with an extra set (lots of possibilities here, maybe you could even fit your spinner here if you absolutely desire it) and a one piece monster set. Even if you don't run spinner you can run infused and apprentice. You get the needed pen out of CP and group buffs.

And Master staves are absolutely terrible. You don't want to farm VMA, that's fine. A crafted staff is still better than a master staff. Especially in a 5/5/1 scenario.

But you might want to open your mind a little bit and search for ways to improve on your own DPS with different sets. Not just for your own sake, but for the sake of your group aswell since you say you run vMoL.

Unless they're fine carrying you through.

Thank you! I'm using destructive clench, so I'll keep using my master lightning staff

Having a random crafted staff with a damage enchant on it will provide more damage than the Master staff buffs your clench, as it only buffs the initial impact hit damage by a measly amount.

Ok

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Dymence wrote: »

Don't use spinner and don't use master staves. That'll result in better DPS.

Hate to say it, but this is the best advice here. Master staffs arent great, and spinner is really only good in PVP or when solo. Assuming you have decent group buffs, it is a wasted set. I wont say it's a bad set per se, but there are certainly better options.

If you dont want to do VMA, that is your call. Calling people stupid that do, meh, cant get on board with that. Nothing will teach you how to play this game better from a PVE side of things than working through VMA.

My advice is get your Penetration from LA passive, Lover stone, major Breach, and perhaps a bit of CP. The first 3 put you close to the pen cap.

In terms of gear, many things are viable. I think the best DPS comes from a pet build with Necro, a monster set, and 4 pieces of a trial set. Your best front bar trait now is almost certainly infused (you dont need spinner to make it viable). Your best back bar weapon is certainly a VMA staff, but if you dont have one, you could look to craft both of them or find a set like necro and buy both of them.

If you are set on spinner, I would run it on both bars. When building for penetration, you want to be as close to 18.2K as consistently as possible. It doesnt make sense to have wildly different values on each bar, especially now that a lot of sorcs are executing from their back bar.

For example you could go with 5 spinner (jewelry and 2 body), 5 Necro or julianos (4 body and both weapons) and one piece of a monster set. The new Domhias (or however you spell it) is really nice because it gives max magic and max stamina, but you could opt for any useful bonus.