Redguard or Imperial Race for stam DK dps duelbuild

silver1surfer69

Redguard or Imperial? Im a stam DK dps, for pvp. I play also cyrodiil but my build should be maxed out for 1on1 fights, thats duels, battelgrounds, small scale pvp, but mostly duels. Please tell me your experience. Much appreciated are also answers from people who tried the races and can share their experience. Maybe there are people who have experience with both races? Im about to race change my char. Thx for answers, cheers.

Wrecking_Blow_Spam

I'd say unless you're stacking regen then imperial will probably be better, also woodelf + orc are good in Pvp.

Thogard

I've been both imperial and red guard as a Stam DK. Now I'm an orc. Orc is the best by far. In a duel, + healing > + stam recovery, especially when there are so many ways to get Stam back.

My experience is ok on duels, I'm more of a BG player. Like a lot. If you play BGs on PC NA regularly then my name should look familiar to you.

Betsararie

Duels? Imperial. Stack that health. Let him run out of his resource.

silver1surfer69

Thx for the answers so far. Slight overweight for imp. right now. @thogard: im on EU so we havent met yet:)

silver1surfer69

Thogard wrote: »

I've been both imperial and red guard as a Stam DK. Now I'm an orc. Orc is the best by far. In a duel, + healing > + stam recovery, especially when there are so many ways to get Stam back.

My experience is ok on duels, I'm more of a BG player. Like a lot. If you play BGs on PC NA regularly then my name should look familiar to you.

@Thogard:
just to understand it. you favor orc because? The Speed or the heal? since Imperial gets 6% health in 10% of melee attacks back. Isnt that better then 5% more heal of orc?

Wrecking_Blow_Spam

silver1surfer69 wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

I've been both imperial and red guard as a Stam DK. Now I'm an orc. Orc is the best by far. In a duel, + healing > + stam recovery, especially when there are so many ways to get Stam back.

My experience is ok on duels, I'm more of a BG player. Like a lot. If you play BGs on PC NA regularly then my name should look familiar to you.

@Thogard:
just to understand it. you favor orc because? The Speed or the heal? since Imperial gets 6% health in 10% of melee attacks back. Isnt that better then 5% more heal of orc?

Red diamond is the worst passive in game.

The Orc healing % includes, vigour, rally etc, sprint speed good too.

It's hard to call which is best, more max stats on imperial but better healing on Orc.

silver1surfer69

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

silver1surfer69 wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

I've been both imperial and red guard as a Stam DK. Now I'm an orc. Orc is the best by far. In a duel, + healing > + stam recovery, especially when there are so many ways to get Stam back.

My experience is ok on duels, I'm more of a BG player. Like a lot. If you play BGs on PC NA regularly then my name should look familiar to you.

@Thogard:
just to understand it. you favor orc because? The Speed or the heal? since Imperial gets 6% health in 10% of melee attacks back. Isnt that better then 5% more heal of orc?

Red diamond is the worst passive in game.

The Orc healing % includes, vigour, rally etc, sprint speed good too.

It's hard to call which is best, more max stats on imperial but better healing on Orc.

Thx, that helps me a lot. So far im thinking: Right now im nord and my sustain is ok, but i lack a little bit of a punch since viper was nerved and im on different set now. So i think with the regen of the redguard coming on top, i can change 1 or 2 of my regen glyphs to Damage glyphs. What do you think?

Wrecking_Blow_Spam

silver1surfer69 wrote: »

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

silver1surfer69 wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

I've been both imperial and red guard as a Stam DK. Now I'm an orc. Orc is the best by far. In a duel, + healing > + stam recovery, especially when there are so many ways to get Stam back.

My experience is ok on duels, I'm more of a BG player. Like a lot. If you play BGs on PC NA regularly then my name should look familiar to you.

@Thogard:
just to understand it. you favor orc because? The Speed or the heal? since Imperial gets 6% health in 10% of melee attacks back. Isnt that better then 5% more heal of orc?

Red diamond is the worst passive in game.

The Orc healing % includes, vigour, rally etc, sprint speed good too.

It's hard to call which is best, more max stats on imperial but better healing on Orc.

Thx, that helps me a lot. So far im thinking: Right now im nord and my sustain is ok, but i lack a little bit of a punch since viper was nerved and im on different set now. So i think with the regen of the redguard coming on top, i can change 1 or 2 of my regen glyphs to Damage glyphs. What do you think?

I'd say redguard is very good, due to its use in PVE for sustain.
The recovery and max stam + adrenaline passive make it great in Pvp.

My stam DK is an imperial but I use mine for tank end game in PVE and also I can still be DPS (bc 10% max stam) that's the biggest appeal for me was the imperial is good enough to be a tank and also DPS, with gear n CP change.

I don't wanna advise you to spend crowns for a race change, I think nord is ok.

It depends on the build but I think I'd rather be an Orc or Redguard over imperial for Pvp.
Orc - tiny bit less max stats but sprint speed, healing etc.
Redguard - better sustain.

I'd say Redguard would be the best for you as it gives best sustain/dmg.

Like I said imperial is great if you use your dk to tank, DPS etc. Same as Orc.
Woodelf is a great PVP race too especially if you stack recovery.

silver1surfer69

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

silver1surfer69 wrote: »

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

silver1surfer69 wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

I've been both imperial and red guard as a Stam DK. Now I'm an orc. Orc is the best by far. In a duel, + healing > + stam recovery, especially when there are so many ways to get Stam back.

My experience is ok on duels, I'm more of a BG player. Like a lot. If you play BGs on PC NA regularly then my name should look familiar to you.

@Thogard:
just to understand it. you favor orc because? The Speed or the heal? since Imperial gets 6% health in 10% of melee attacks back. Isnt that better then 5% more heal of orc?

Red diamond is the worst passive in game.

The Orc healing % includes, vigour, rally etc, sprint speed good too.

It's hard to call which is best, more max stats on imperial but better healing on Orc.

Thx, that helps me a lot. So far im thinking: Right now im nord and my sustain is ok, but i lack a little bit of a punch since viper was nerved and im on different set now. So i think with the regen of the redguard coming on top, i can change 1 or 2 of my regen glyphs to Damage glyphs. What do you think?

I'd say redguard is very good, due to its use in PVE for sustain.
The recovery and max stam + adrenaline passive make it great in Pvp.

My stam DK is an imperial but I use mine for tank end game in PVE and also I can still be DPS (bc 10% max stam) that's the biggest appeal for me was the imperial is good enough to be a tank and also DPS, with gear n CP change.

I don't wanna advise you to spend crowns for a race change, I think nord is ok.

It depends on the build but I think I'd rather be an Orc or Redguard over imperial for Pvp.
Orc - tiny bit less max stats but sprint speed, healing etc.
Redguard - better sustain.

I'd say Redguard would be the best for you as it gives best sustain/dmg.

Like I said imperial is great if you use your dk to tank, DPS etc. Same as Orc.
Woodelf is a great PVP race too especially if you stack recovery.

I already spent the crowns with the intention to change from nord to redguard, but then i came across the idea with the imperial. Your posts somewhat ensure me now in the decission to redguard. If the orc speedbuff was for walking speed i would immediatly take it, but in 1v1 fights im not sprinting very much and im in medium armour, so i have some sprint speedbuff already. So thx for your insight

silver1surfer69

ah and with the woodelf my math is like this: 783 stam in 5 sec is like 150 stam reg/ sec, thats about 300 stam reg. That outweighs the 21% stam reg from woodelf + you get more max stam with redguard. cheers

Wrecking_Blow_Spam

silver1surfer69 wrote: »

ah and with the woodelf my math is like this: 783 stam in 5 sec is like 150 stam reg/ sec, thats about 300 stam reg. That outweighs the 21% stam reg from woodelf + you get more max stam with redguard. cheers

Yes redguard goes great with dk, it'll be a step up from nord.

Woodelf is great in Pvp on builds that stack regen eg when using bone pirate. If you ever make a stamblade I'd highly recommend wood elf.

Vapirko

I just made a post comparing redgaurd to woodelf lol. But from my point of view redguard is very boring these days. Woodelf has way better recovery but for stam dk 1v1 I would go orc or imperial maybe nord.

Thogard

The orc heal buff is far far better than imperial's red diamond. This is doubly true if you use trollking.

Also don't forget about the +4% damage on melee abilities.

Red guard stamina recovery is great, but orcs hit harder and are harder to kill. Much easier to adjust a build for Stam recovery, or just use an extra heavy attack when needed.

That runspeed is addictive tho. I use runspeed pots 24/7, and I sprint a ton. That is by far my favorite part of being orc. Sprint for days in heavy armor lol. I can run down sorcs spamming bolt escape and they'll run out of magicka before I run out of stamina.

I've been all three and it's not even close. Orc is a clear favorite for Stam DK in PvP. Red guard in PvE where sustain issues are more static.

silver1surfer69

Vapirko wrote: »

I just made a post comparing redgaurd to woodelf lol. But from my point of view redguard is very boring these days. Woodelf has way better recovery but for stam dk 1v1 I would go orc or imperial maybe nord.

haha, yes, thx, but my experience is, i need dps to be able to kill, otherwise i am tanky and can duel for days, but i do not win

silver1surfer69

Thogard wrote: »

The orc heal buff is far far better than imperial's red diamond. This is doubly true if you use trollking.

Also don't forget about the +4% damage on melee abilities.

Red guard stamina recovery is great, but orcs hit harder and are harder to kill. Much easier to adjust a build for Stam recovery, or just use an extra heavy attack when needed.

That runspeed is addictive tho. I use runspeed pots 24/7, and I sprint a ton. That is by far my favorite part of being orc. Sprint for days in heavy armor lol. I can run down sorcs spamming bolt escape and they'll run out of magicka before I run out of stamina.

I've been all three and it's not even close. Orc is a clear favorite for Stam DK in PvP. Red guard in PvE where sustain issues are more static.

hmm, that really gives me to think...

silver1surfer69

just doing a little math for fun:

4% more stam with R (Redguard) = i have 39k now is 4x390= 1560 more stam: what is about +150 dmg for tooltip.
with R i can change at leAST 1 regen glyph to dmg, what is 174 x1,32 = 229 (20% from rally always up+12% med armor).

229+150=379 more dmg with R
Weapon dmg also increases healing, i have to test how much.

with a tooltip of eg 5600:
R: 5980
from my experience dmg on enemy in pvp is about divided by 4
R: 5980/4=1495
O(Orc): 5600/4+4%= 1456

Have to test on the healing now with different glyphs and more stam.

silver1surfer69

ok i tested it now

1400 more stam gave me about 100 more heal (my base heal was around 2k)

1 dmg glyph gave me about 90 more heal

-> so thats in all around 9-10% more heal with the redguard option compared to 5% with orc.

im in 5 pieces medium, so i get 15% sprint bonus, its nice feel in gameplay, but i cant outrun sorcs for example, not in cyro

silver1surfer69

i have to say what really helped me with this thread is to see, that the red diamond passive from imp is not good compared to more heal.

It really comes down to having 6% more health with the orc. 20% live regen is almoust useless in pvp, maybe for tanks or pve...

Sprint speed is nice gameplay but gives me no advantage in fights. Orcs are the best chars to steal scrolls in cyro!

Everyone has to decide, i really had to think hard between orc and redguard thanks to this thread and i see the benefits from orc, but as described above, for my goal redguard delivers the better numbers. cheers and thanks to all the replies!

Wrecking_Blow_Spam

Thogard wrote: »

The orc heal buff is far far better than imperial's red diamond. This is doubly true if you use trollking.

Also don't forget about the +4% damage on melee abilities.

Red guard stamina recovery is great, but orcs hit harder and are harder to kill. Much easier to adjust a build for Stam recovery, or just use an extra heavy attack when needed.

That runspeed is addictive tho. I use runspeed pots 24/7, and I sprint a ton. That is by far my favorite part of being orc. Sprint for days in heavy armor lol. I can run down sorcs spamming bolt escape and they'll run out of magicka before I run out of stamina.

I've been all three and it's not even close. Orc is a clear favorite for Stam DK in PvP. Red guard in PvE where sustain issues are more static.

Just like to point out that Orc doesn't hit harder than redguard, redguard hits harder.

Thogard

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

The orc heal buff is far far better than imperial's red diamond. This is doubly true if you use trollking.

Also don't forget about the +4% damage on melee abilities.

Red guard stamina recovery is great, but orcs hit harder and are harder to kill. Much easier to adjust a build for Stam recovery, or just use an extra heavy attack when needed.

That runspeed is addictive tho. I use runspeed pots 24/7, and I sprint a ton. That is by far my favorite part of being orc. Sprint for days in heavy armor lol. I can run down sorcs spamming bolt escape and they'll run out of magicka before I run out of stamina.

I've been all three and it's not even close. Orc is a clear favorite for Stam DK in PvP. Red guard in PvE where sustain issues are more static.

Just like to point out that Orc doesn't hit harder than redguard, redguard hits harder.

Depends on your build. If you're stacking stamina, yes. If you're stacking wep dmg, or using a wep dmg glyph that's infused, then orc will definitely hit harder. Stamina is only half of the equation for dmg, but orc passive 4% increases all melee dmg.

Red guard will out parse orc in PvE by a lot because most PvE DPS skills like caltrops and endless hail are ranged.

silver1surfer69

Thogard wrote: »

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

The orc heal buff is far far better than imperial's red diamond. This is doubly true if you use trollking.

Also don't forget about the +4% damage on melee abilities.

Red guard stamina recovery is great, but orcs hit harder and are harder to kill. Much easier to adjust a build for Stam recovery, or just use an extra heavy attack when needed.

That runspeed is addictive tho. I use runspeed pots 24/7, and I sprint a ton. That is by far my favorite part of being orc. Sprint for days in heavy armor lol. I can run down sorcs spamming bolt escape and they'll run out of magicka before I run out of stamina.

I've been all three and it's not even close. Orc is a clear favorite for Stam DK in PvP. Red guard in PvE where sustain issues are more static.

Just like to point out that Orc doesn't hit harder than redguard, redguard hits harder.

Depends on your build. If you're stacking stamina, yes. If you're stacking wep dmg, or using a wep dmg glyph that's infused, then orc will definitely hit harder. Stamina is only half of the equation for dmg, but orc passive 4% increases all melee dmg.

Red guard will out parse orc in PvE by a lot because most PvE DPS skills like caltrops and endless hail are ranged.

im in fact using infused:) Why better with the 4%, pls help me understand. The 4% are only on the damage done on enemy and not coming on top of your wp dmg, im pretty sure about this. On the ulti, like take flight, the 4% are added right?

silver1surfer69

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

silver1surfer69 wrote: »

ah and with the woodelf my math is like this: 783 stam in 5 sec is like 150 stam reg/ sec, thats about 300 stam reg. That outweighs the 21% stam reg from woodelf + you get more max stam with redguard. cheers

Yes redguard goes great with dk, it'll be a step up from nord.

Woodelf is great in Pvp on builds that stack regen eg when using bone pirate. If you ever make a stamblade I'd highly recommend wood elf.

For the stamblade i definetly agree

Gabriyl

I'm redguard. Seems to work out for me.

leem1988

What race would you choose for a heavy armor build in cp pvp? It would have to be redguard right?

silver1surfer69

Gabriyl wrote: »

I'm redguard. Seems to work out for me.

silver1surfer69

leem1988 wrote: »

What race would you choose for a heavy armor build in cp pvp? It would have to be redguard right?

Mag or stam? dps or tank? group or more solo play?

Brrrofski

Redguard. Sustain is key in PvP. Yes adrenaline rush has been nerfed, but it's still strong.

Orc is nice because of speed but sustain really suffers. That extra healing is negated by the extra damage you can put into your build due to how much better a redguard sustains.

Imperial is just bad imo. Bad for PvP, bad for Pve DPS and argonian is far superior for tanking. Especially in PvP. What's the point having more health if you have no resources to dodge and heal? That extra health will soon vanish.

silver1surfer69

leem1988 wrote: »

What race would you choose for a heavy armor build in cp pvp? It would have to be redguard right?

i can tell you, that if you mean group play in cyro, the cracks in my pvp guild say, no stam for group play.

I for my part, have no ranged attacks, only gap closer, so im a melee dps, stand and fight (no nightblade), fighter and for me, cause all of the reasons discussed above, it is redguard.

silver1surfer69

so, i finally did the race change now. what annoys me a little bit, is that the looks change also. You have the possibility to change looks with the race change token also automatically, the settings even stay the same like you did in first place, but with race the looks change also, even with your original settings. in my case i have a rather churlish looking mouth now, what was covered by the beard in the settings window, but now in the game it is more visible, what wasnt the case in settings window. The eyes also. ok i think you cant have it all

Gabriyl

I'm Stam, dps, and solo most of the time.