Blooddrinker Set?

raasdal

Have someone tested if this set works with Maelstrom 2H enchant and Twin Blade / Blunt passive?

Tooltip says "effects" and not skills, so thinking they may be buffed by it?

raasdal

No one? Please don't force me to grind BoP stuff for no reason...

Xylthax

As far as I know, blade and blunt passive is boosted by it, but it still isn't as strong as standard stam sets like hundings.

Nemesis7884

Max number of bleeds u can get is 3 so not that many

raasdal

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

Max number of bleeds u can get is 3 so not that many

What do you mean? There are significantly more Bleeds. Just off the top of my head;

2H Passive
DW Passive
Twin Slashes (DW Skill)
Carve (2H Skill)
New HOTR Set
Twin Sisters Set
WW Bleed from Light Attack
Maelstrom 2H

Thats 8 right there. And i am probably missing something.

hwsupervisor01rwb17_ESO wrote: »

As far as I know, blade and blunt passive is boosted by it, but it still isn't as strong as standard stam sets like hundings.

Thanks. Anyone else with a confirm on this?

starkerealm

raasdal wrote: »

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

Max number of bleeds u can get is 3 so not that many

What do you mean?

That there's only three different bleed debuff effects, applying a second copy of one will overwrite and reset its duration, not stack.

I'm guessing here though. I don't think I've ever tried to stack bleed effects, and it's not something I remember paying attention to on boss debuff bars.

EDIT: No wait a second.

starkerealm

raasdal wrote: »

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

Max number of bleeds u can get is 3 so not that many

What do you mean? There are significantly more Bleeds. Just off the top of my head;

2H Passive
DW Passive

These have a low chance to proc, IIRC. So you can use them, but they're not reliable.

Additionally, you can't stack them with each other. One or the other, and with the way they proc even if you're sticking with one, there's going to be some downtime.

raasdal wrote: »

Twin Slashes (DW Skill)
Carve (2H Skill)

These two you could stack. But, that's both your weapon bars. Still, it's an option.

raasdal wrote: »

New HOTR Set

I haven't had the time to look into this one yet. But, it's not a bleed DoT, it augments other ones.

raasdal wrote: »

Twin Sisters Set

20% chance on a block. Meaning you have to stop doing DPS to trigger this.

raasdal wrote: »

WW Bleed from Light Attack

You're not going to be stacking this with any other bleed effect. You wolf out, and Twin Sisters is useless. You'd be stripping naked mid fight to block attacks? Not a great plan. It's a nice attack, and Blooddrinker might benefit, but still...

Stuff like the passives, Carve, and Twin Slashes will not do anything here.

raasdal wrote: »

Maelstrom 2H

I'd have to double check, but I'm pretty sure the Maelstrom 2h is a physical DoT, not a bleed DoT. It shouldn't be affected by Blooddrinker.

raasdal wrote: »

Thats 8 right there. And i am probably missing something.

Yeah, you've got seven, five of them are mutually exclusive. One is very situational, and three are on terrible proc chances. So... not great.

raasdal wrote: »

hwsupervisor01rwb17_ESO wrote: »

As far as I know, blade and blunt passive is boosted by it, but it still isn't as strong as standard stam sets like hundings.

Thanks. Anyone else with a confirm on this?

It should buff the weapon skills, and Werewolf Berserker light attacks. But, like I said, I haven't spent much time in game the last couple weeks. I've had a lot going on in my life, that meant I haven't had the opportunity to run content.

Denyiir

I tested a little 2h axe bleed and it proc chance is more like few % than 16%. I killed hundred of mobs with light atacks only, 6-8 atacks per mob and axe proced maybe on 1-2/10... What is funny Selene's have 1% proc chance less and it proced on pretty much every monster...
Before any farming You'd want to maybe test it yourself so it won't turn out big disappointment

starkerealm

Yeah, thinking about this, I've got to agree, you'd get more millage out of Hundings than Blooddrinker. If you wanted a jewelry set to follow up Hundings with, Automaton would probably give you better value. The only exception I can think of is in a Werewolf Berserker, where Hundings + Blooddrinker might be the way to go, but even then, I'm dubious.

Taleof2Cities

Do you have access to PTS, @raasdal, to where you could test it yourself?

Nemesis7884

raasdal wrote: »

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

Max number of bleeds u can get is 3 so not that many

What do you mean? There are significantly more Bleeds. Just off the top of my head;

2H Passive
DW Passive
Twin Slashes (DW Skill)
Carve (2H Skill)
New HOTR Set
Twin Sisters Set
WW Bleed from Light Attack
Maelstrom 2H

Thats 8 right there. And i am probably missing something.

hwsupervisor01rwb17_ESO wrote: »

As far as I know, blade and blunt passive is boosted by it, but it still isn't as strong as standard stam sets like hundings.

Thanks. Anyone else with a confirm on this?

you are incorrect sir - you cant have 8 bleeds at the same time
the dw/2h proc bleed is the same and cant proc twice at the same time
if you are wearing the bd set you cant wear pillar of nirn + twin sisters since you can only wear 2 sets
and malestorm weapons is not a bleed

so you can have 4 bleeds at the same time

Qbiken

I can confirm the bleed damage from this set buffs all physical dots and those dots that are considered "bleed-dots". I´ve tried it on WW (farmed the set specifically for WW) and it´s really strong. I´ve had 35k bleed-tooltip (In WW-form for the bleed from light attacks) in PvE areas fully buffed and to be honest, I think I could push it even further. Half this value in Cyrodil (Battle spirit) and it´s still really strong. How good it is in PvE I can´t really tell...

The set works like a "Minor Berserk" buff but for bleeds. It doesn´t buff dots that deals poison or disease damage.

raasdal

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

raasdal wrote: »

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

Max number of bleeds u can get is 3 so not that many

What do you mean? There are significantly more Bleeds. Just off the top of my head;

2H Passive
DW Passive
Twin Slashes (DW Skill)
Carve (2H Skill)
New HOTR Set
Twin Sisters Set
WW Bleed from Light Attack
Maelstrom 2H

Thats 8 right there. And i am probably missing something.

hwsupervisor01rwb17_ESO wrote: »

As far as I know, blade and blunt passive is boosted by it, but it still isn't as strong as standard stam sets like hundings.

Thanks. Anyone else with a confirm on this?

you are incorrect sir - you cant have 8 bleeds at the same time
the dw/2h proc bleed is the same and cant proc twice at the same time
if you are wearing the bd set you cant wear pillar of nirn + twin sisters since you can only wear 2 sets
and malestorm weapons is not a bleed

so you can have 4 bleeds at the same time

You are incorrect sir. DW / 2H bleed CAN indeed be active at the same time. They are two uniquely named damage sources. I have tested for this specifically on a testing dummy. So i am 110% sure about that.

Also, i did not at any time state you can have 8 bleeds active at the same time. I just stated that there are more than 8 bleeds available.

Maelstrom is however not a bleed, i remembered incorrectly on that one.

Qbiken wrote: »

I can confirm the bleed damage from this set buffs all physical dots and those dots that are considered "bleed-dots". I´ve tried it on WW (farmed the set specifically for WW) and it´s really strong. I´ve had 35k bleed-tooltip (In WW-form for the bleed from light attacks) in PvE areas fully buffed and to be honest, I think I could push it even further. Half this value in Cyrodil (Battle spirit) and it´s still really strong. How good it is in PvE I can´t really tell...

The set works like a "Minor Berserk" buff but for bleeds. It doesn´t buff dots that deals poison or disease damage.

It should not increase damage of any pure Physical DoTs. Are you 100% sure about that? In that case, please tell me exactly which skill you tested with? When i tested it, some while ago, it did not affect anything but real bleeds. Also, as i think about it, i do not think that there are any pure physical damage DoTs. They are all Bleeds by definition.

Minor Berserk is 8%. This set is 20%, so it is actually more like "Major Berserk"

Thogard

When did they change it so that DW axe and 2h axe bleeds didn't stack? I am very doubtful of some of the information in this thread.

raasdal

Thogard wrote: »

When did they change it so that DW axe and 2h axe bleeds didn't stack? I am very doubtful of some of the information in this thread.

Dunno. All i know is, when i tested this at the release of HOTR, i was able to proc Twin Blade Blunt Bleed on my DW, then swap to my 2H bar, and proc the Heavy Weapons Bleed, BEFORE the first Bleed runs out. So for just a couple of seconds, i will have BOTH bleeds running on the target skeleton.

When you reapply any of these bleeds, it will reset the timer, and it does not tick untill the 2 sec. mark. So it is 3 ticks, at 2 / 4 / 6 seconds.

If i got the time, i will double-test tonight, and upload a video.

0utLaw

raasdal wrote: »

Have someone tested if this set works with Maelstrom 2H enchant and Twin Blade / Blunt passive?

Tooltip says "effects" and not skills, so thinking they may be buffed by it?

I tested it:

It works with anything that has word "bleed" in its decription.

Thogard

raasdal wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

When did they change it so that DW axe and 2h axe bleeds didn't stack? I am very doubtful of some of the information in this thread.

Dunno. All i know is, when i tested this at the release of HOTR, i was able to proc Twin Blade Blunt Bleed on my DW, then swap to my 2H bar, and proc the Heavy Weapons Bleed, BEFORE the first Bleed runs out. So for just a couple of seconds, i will have BOTH bleeds running on the target skeleton.

When you reapply any of these bleeds, it will reset the timer, and it does not tick untill the 2 sec. mark. So it is 3 ticks, at 2 / 4 / 6 seconds.

If i got the time, i will double-test tonight, and upload a video.

That's in line with my own experience as well - I used to run a bleed build. I'm not sure why there are posters in this thread saying they don't stack. They clearly do.

I also don't know why some people think the VMA 2h proc is a bleed...

raasdal

Thogard wrote: »

raasdal wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

When did they change it so that DW axe and 2h axe bleeds didn't stack? I am very doubtful of some of the information in this thread.

Dunno. All i know is, when i tested this at the release of HOTR, i was able to proc Twin Blade Blunt Bleed on my DW, then swap to my 2H bar, and proc the Heavy Weapons Bleed, BEFORE the first Bleed runs out. So for just a couple of seconds, i will have BOTH bleeds running on the target skeleton.

When you reapply any of these bleeds, it will reset the timer, and it does not tick untill the 2 sec. mark. So it is 3 ticks, at 2 / 4 / 6 seconds.

If i got the time, i will double-test tonight, and upload a video.

That's in line with my own experience as well - I used to run a bleed build. I'm not sure why there are posters in this thread saying they don't stack. They clearly do.

I also don't know why some people think the VMA 2h proc is a bleed...

Allright, thanks for the confirmation. Won't waste time on retesting then

Nemesis7884

raasdal wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

When did they change it so that DW axe and 2h axe bleeds didn't stack? I am very doubtful of some of the information in this thread.

Dunno. All i know is, when i tested this at the release of HOTR, i was able to proc Twin Blade Blunt Bleed on my DW, then swap to my 2H bar, and proc the Heavy Weapons Bleed, BEFORE the first Bleed runs out. So for just a couple of seconds, i will have BOTH bleeds running on the target skeleton.

When you reapply any of these bleeds, it will reset the timer, and it does not tick untill the 2 sec. mark. So it is 3 ticks, at 2 / 4 / 6 seconds.

If i got the time, i will double-test tonight, and upload a video.

then sir i appologise as i thought i tested it quickly and wasnt able to get parallel bleeds...

i still think the set would be better if it gave for example +10% to all physical dots instead

Qbiken

raasdal wrote: »

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

raasdal wrote: »

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

Max number of bleeds u can get is 3 so not that many

What do you mean? There are significantly more Bleeds. Just off the top of my head;

2H Passive
DW Passive
Twin Slashes (DW Skill)
Carve (2H Skill)
New HOTR Set
Twin Sisters Set
WW Bleed from Light Attack
Maelstrom 2H

Thats 8 right there. And i am probably missing something.

hwsupervisor01rwb17_ESO wrote: »

As far as I know, blade and blunt passive is boosted by it, but it still isn't as strong as standard stam sets like hundings.

Thanks. Anyone else with a confirm on this?

you are incorrect sir - you cant have 8 bleeds at the same time
the dw/2h proc bleed is the same and cant proc twice at the same time
if you are wearing the bd set you cant wear pillar of nirn + twin sisters since you can only wear 2 sets
and malestorm weapons is not a bleed

so you can have 4 bleeds at the same time

You are incorrect sir. DW / 2H bleed CAN indeed be active at the same time. They are two uniquely named damage sources. I have tested for this specifically on a testing dummy. So i am 110% sure about that.

Also, i did not at any time state you can have 8 bleeds active at the same time. I just stated that there are more than 8 bleeds available.

Maelstrom is however not a bleed, i remembered incorrectly on that one.

Qbiken wrote: »

I can confirm the bleed damage from this set buffs all physical dots and those dots that are considered "bleed-dots". I´ve tried it on WW (farmed the set specifically for WW) and it´s really strong. I´ve had 35k bleed-tooltip (In WW-form for the bleed from light attacks) in PvE areas fully buffed and to be honest, I think I could push it even further. Half this value in Cyrodil (Battle spirit) and it´s still really strong. How good it is in PvE I can´t really tell...

The set works like a "Minor Berserk" buff but for bleeds. It doesn´t buff dots that deals poison or disease damage.

It should not increase damage of any pure Physical DoTs. Are you 100% sure about that? In that case, please tell me exactly which skill you tested with? When i tested it, some while ago, it did not affect anything but real bleeds. Also, as i think about it, i do not think that there are any pure physical damage DoTs. They are all Bleeds by definition.

Minor Berserk is 8%. This set is 20%, so it is actually more like "Major Berserk"

The conflict lies with how the tooltip is described. Some says "Bleed physical Damage over X seconds" and some tooltips will say "Bleed-damage". If you actually look at the tooltip description of the Twin-Blade passive, it says bleed X amount of physical damage. So I think all bleeds are considered physical dots. Not sure if it´s the other way around, that all physical damge over time effects counts as "Bleeds", but I get the feeling that they do.

When equipping the set you´ll see an increased tooltip on the skills that are considered physical dots/bleeds. The ones I tested was:

* WW bleed
* Twin-slashes
* Twin-blade and blunt

I was also interesting in how this set works with CP and other buffs:

Let´s say we have a bleed-tooltip of 1000 (just to make it easy). Now we add enough CP (thamaturge) so we get 15% increased damage on our DoT´s.

* 1000x1,15 = 1150. A boost by 115 dmg.
* After this we add the Blooddrinker set. I was curious if this set buffs the base value or the "buffed" value from CP.

With a buffed value you would get:
1150x1,20 = 1380 dmg..........This is however not the case.....

But Blooddrinker damage is calculated additive (I don´t know the correct term for additive and multiply so forgive me for using wrong words here if I do) so instead we get:

1000 + (1000 x 0,15) + (1000 x 0,20) = 1350 dmg.

It´s still an interesting set if you want to build around dots/bleeds, and it´s really strong on a WW in a 1v1/1v2 situation

Fat_Cat45

You actually can stack 2H bleed with dual-wield bleed.

2H bleed is called "Heavy Weapons Bleed" and Dual-wield bleed is called "Twin Blade and Blunt Bleed".

Both different bleeds by debuff ID.

starkerealm

Thogard wrote: »

When did they change it so that DW axe and 2h axe bleeds didn't stack? I am very doubtful of some of the information in this thread.

@Thorgard, never. The issue is that Heavy Weapons has a 16% chance to proc, and Twin Blade and Blunt has a 25% chance. If you're sticking to one, the DoT should be up most of the time. If you're trying to keep both going simultaneously, expect some fiddly micromanagement and downtime.

Drakkdjinn

vma 2h is not a bleed