Help With Sunderflame Tank Build

Bladerunner1 · August 2017

Here's a scenario I've been thinking of trying on my tank ever since I picked up a Sunderflame shield the other day. I could run Sunderflame jewelry, sword and shield, slot a crusher enchant on my infused weapon and bring resistances way down. Each Stam DPS friend I know would slot other things like weapon damage in place of physical penetration and get perhaps a 12% consistent DPS buff.

I thought it would be best to pick the theorycrafter brains on on the forums with suggestions about other sets and skills that would help a Sunderflame Tank Build. I've got a DK.

But then I remembered that most of them don't have Maelstrom bows. This setup would focus on a single target and it would effectively reduce their AOE DPS by 12% which begs the question, will Sunderflame slow down rather than speed up 4-player vet DLC dungeons where trash mobs have very high health and some of your group members aren't slotting steelnado or anything like it? It really seems like most of the dungeon time is spent killing lesser mobs rather than bosses.

It would likely cause a 2% drop to AOE DPS, but the single target gain should outweigh the AOE loss.

Bladerunner1 · August 2017

Oops, I just realized it wouldn't be a 12% AOE loss, but more like 2-3% AOE loss since weapon damage or whatever replaces the offset penetration still counts towards something. I'm changing the topic to Sunderflame tanking, what's a good build for this?

Asardes · August 2017

You will be adding about 6.9% DPS to the stamina DDs in your group by running Sunderflame set. Note that it's mostly effective against a single target. I've made an analysis about running it on a DD, more specifically a stamina DK, rather than a tank.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/4427653/#Comment_4427653

Bladerunner1 · August 2017

Asardes wrote: »

You will be adding about 6.9% DPS to the stamina DDs in your group by running Sunderflame set. Note that it's mostly effective against a single target. I've made an analysis about running it on a DD, more specifically a stamina DK, rather than a tank.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/4427653/#Comment_4427653

Right, I was thinking of the combined debuffs with crusher at the time. With Sunderflame offering a consistent 7% buff, my question is what other armor sets or choice of weapons could speed dungeons along even further? Like what if I used a charged Sunderflame lightning staff for heavy attacks on my backbar. I don't even know what that would do exactly, perhaps it could apply minor vulnerability and maybe the Sunderflame debuff to everything it hits?

GaunterODim · August 2017

Isnt it rather unbeneficial as tank to wear a set that needs you to heavy attack every 8?(10?) seconds? Of course you can drop block sometimes, but i believe that in a rather pressured fight that might be too risky.

If you want to wear a set to buff your groups dps, have you thought about nightmothers gaze, powerful assault, alkosh or even spell power cure? SPC could be put in a magicka based nightblade tank for example if you got sword shield and the jewelry.

Asardes · August 2017

Bladerunner1 wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

You will be adding about 6.9% DPS to the stamina DDs in your group by running Sunderflame set. Note that it's mostly effective against a single target. I've made an analysis about running it on a DD, more specifically a stamina DK, rather than a tank.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/4427653/#Comment_4427653

Right, I was thinking of the combined debuffs with crusher at the time. With Sunderflame offering a consistent 7% buff, my question is what other armor sets or choice of weapons could speed dungeons along even further? Like what if I used a charged Sunderflame lightning staff for heavy attacks on my backbar. I don't even know what that would do exactly, perhaps it could apply minor vulnerability and maybe the Sunderflame debuff to everything it hits?

In a well tuned trial group, if there are multiple stamina DDs, each one running a debuff set. Check out Alcast's guide:
https://alcasthq.com/eso-stamina-optimization-raids/

For 4 man content Sunderflame on a tank is not that important since, with the exception of vDSA, none of them is run for scores and the debuff you put on mobs will only benefit a maximum of 2 people, if you are running with 2 stamina DDs. In trials the tank is better off running Alkosh, since instead of a 3.5K physical resistance debuff, it puts a 3K physical and spell debuff, the latter also benefiting magicka DDs.