Population Imbalance

Norbi

Sotha Sil in particular. EP is zerging nearly all day and it's unplayable. Happens in every other campaign at most times. You can be experienced and skilled as much as the sky goes but you can't do **** against a zerg stealth spamming lethal arrow or whatever bullcrap scrub mechanic. Fix the pop cap please, it's not fun. Don't let a faction go above 2 bars if the others are still on 1, I've said this before. P-l-e-a-s-e!

Signed,
Annoyed DC small group player

Rohamad_Ali

PVP population dried out after the event and every campaign on PC except Vivec is like this .

Anrose

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

PVP population dried out after the event and every campaign on PC except Vivec is like this .

Yup. PvEers went back to PvE. PvPers are burnt out. Then a patch dropped. Kind of a perfect storm of population imbalance factors.

Irylia

1. They need to remove the dead campaigns.
2. Lower vivec pop size
3. Make shor a 30 day cp campaign with like size pop as now reduced vivec
4. (Optional) make a 7 day campaign (scores ap gained on a leaderboard under guilds name) that has no keeps no guards and the map size is only an emp ring big. Generate new terrain/open cities/gates/towers/bridges and cap group size at 4-8. Free for all no alliance (much like bg) Then make the population cap adjusted to group size amount 4 per group 30 total groups. 6 cap 25 groups 8 cap 20 groups. (adjust pop on attendance and performance) I can guarantee you that this new type of pvp will draw players and alleviate stress on vivec

Drdeath20

Just go to a new campaign. There are plenty to choose from that are somewhat empty.

Sotha is an emp farming campaign.

Its annoying on ep's side too. Im sick of owning the campaign just to watch a big guild switch to their alts and farm for emp.

Drakkdjinn

Norbi wrote: »

Sotha Sil in particular. EP is zerging nearly all day and it's unplayable. Happens in every other campaign at most times. You can be experienced and skilled as much as the sky goes but you can't do **** against a zerg stealth spamming lethal arrow or whatever bullcrap scrub mechanic. Fix the pop cap please, it's not fun. Don't let a faction go above 2 bars if the others are still on 1, I've said this before. P-l-e-a-s-e!

Signed,
Annoyed DC small group player

DC has no small groups on Sotha. Just sayin.

montjie

Alot of people switching campaigns or just up and leave cyro because of this out-of-hand gotten crap.

So yeah a solution to this problem, and implementing it would be very welcome......Not gonna hold my breath tho

usmcjdking

Norbi wrote: »

Sotha Sil in particular. EP is zerging nearly all day and it's unplayable. Happens in every other campaign at most times. You can be experienced and skilled as much as the sky goes but you can't do **** against a zerg stealth spamming lethal arrow or whatever bullcrap scrub mechanic. Fix the pop cap please, it's not fun. Don't let a faction go above 2 bars if the others are still on 1, I've said this before. P-l-e-a-s-e!

Signed,
Annoyed DC small group player

Why are you bothered by other people who play the game the way it was designed? If you don't want to fight zergs then don't be near them or near locations zergs naturally gravitate to.

I mean it's like getting arrested for public drunkeness because you decided to enjoy a few 40s across the street from your neighborhood police station...

Rianai

It is not about zergs in general. It is about one side vastly outnumbering the other sides. You can't avoid enemy zergs that take the whole map with superior numbers (+ additional advantages like scroll buffs and emp), and that come to you as soon you dare to touch one of the resources or keeps. Sometimes they might even wait right outside of your spawn. It makes pvp impossible, drives players away and is certainly not how the game mode is intended to be.

Koolio

Personally I think scroll buff should be included in emperor buff. Make scroll worth a lot of points to be worth taking. Make NPC in factions 3 main keeps difficult. Increase wall and door strength a lot higher but only in those keeps. Make winning faction worth double ap.

This way it's difficult for faction in 2nd to take 3rd place scrolls. 1st place with emperor has a lot of buffs so they could still take the keep. Also promoting the 2 losing factions to push the winning faction because it would be worth the ap. As of right now whomever is losing gets pushed by both other factions where the winner should be the ones fighting the others.

Something along those lines. Maybe others could add to this.

Rianai

Increasing rewards for winning - be it more ap, more buffs or whatever else - would exacerbate the issue even more, because the easiest and safest way to ensure a win is to stack on one side. And the majority of players will always take the easy and safe way.

Koolio

Rianai wrote: »

Increasing rewards for winning - be it more ap, more buffs or whatever else - would exacerbate the issue even more, because the easiest and safest way to ensure a win is to stack on one side. And the majority of players will always take the easy and safe way.

Normally yes. However Double Ap makes people do things they wouldn't normally do. 12k per keep against a winning faction even when they are buffed is worth the ride from kingscrest to faregyl. Every resource of a winning faction would be taken. I'd make my group go around grabbing everything. It would be worth it for the individual the group and the faction.

Zbigb4life

Irylia wrote: »

1. They need to remove the dead campaigns.
2. Lower vivec pop size
3. Make shor a 30 day cp campaign with like size pop as now reduced vivec
4. (Optional) make a 7 day campaign (scores ap gained on a leaderboard under guilds name) that has no keeps no guards and the map size is only an emp ring big. Generate new terrain/open cities/gates/towers/bridges and cap group size at 4-8. Free for all no alliance (much like bg) Then make the population cap adjusted to group size amount 4 per group 30 total groups. 6 cap 25 groups 8 cap 20 groups. (adjust pop on attendance and performance) I can guarantee you that this new type of pvp will draw players and alleviate stress on vivec

Why lower the pop size? It's not EP's fault there aren't other alliances. If you do this you will have campaigns where the max pop size is 5 persons for every faction. Lighten up guys it's a MMO after all. If you want small scale try to find it somewhere else: other campaign, BS,...

DeHei

Irylia wrote: »

1. They need to remove the dead campaigns.
2. Lower vivec pop size
3. Make shor a 30 day cp campaign with like size pop as now reduced vivec
4. (Optional) make a 7 day campaign (scores ap gained on a leaderboard under guilds name) that has no keeps no guards and the map size is only an emp ring big. Generate new terrain/open cities/gates/towers/bridges and cap group size at 4-8. Free for all no alliance (much like bg) Then make the population cap adjusted to group size amount 4 per group 30 total groups. 6 cap 25 groups 8 cap 20 groups. (adjust pop on attendance and performance) I can guarantee you that this new type of pvp will draw players and alleviate stress on vivec

I think we have this actually problem cause of the event. When its over, not only 1 alliance will be superior in some campaigns. Good smallscale groups will allways join that campaigns, which bring most fun. So i choose that one, where i can have most fights and less alliance player on my side.

But why not quitting this 30 day CP campaign?

Best solution for everything else. All player will go to the other campaigns and not only just few students or other people, who can play 24/7 stay on the emperorship. In the shorter day campaigns we have much more diversity for emperorship and much more fun, because there are not only zergfights. Often we have not more then a lagparty on Vivec. Much player there dont really know, what it mean to a good fight. A lot of them think, that a good fight is the same like bringing down soloplayer with 10 guys

Anazasi

I hate to say this but if you are on a campaign that never has a population for your faction, perhaps its time to find a campaign that does. Servers that are predominantly just 1 faction will eventually be removed and that's the only way to truly deal with the cancer that overruns it. Sorry you are having these issues but unfortunately there isnt anything anyone can do about it.

Dutchessx

Unfortunately, Anazasi is right there is nothing anyone can do about it. On NAPC Sotha is fairly dead now because DC zerged the map all summer. Who knows maybe the population will come back but ZOS has a tendency shut down servers usually. I wish they would shut down the servers they brought online for the mid year mayhem event.

Taysa

Norbi wrote: »

Sotha Sil in particular. EP is zerging nearly all day and it's unplayable. Happens in every other campaign at most times. You can be experienced and skilled as much as the sky goes but you can't do **** against a zerg stealth spamming lethal arrow or whatever bullcrap scrub mechanic. Fix the pop cap please, it's not fun. Don't let a faction go above 2 bars if the others are still on 1, I've said this before. P-l-e-a-s-e!

Signed,
Annoyed DC small group player

Yes, ZoS. Please fix the population imbalances to prevent DC from night capping the entire map, PvDooring emp, and solo running scrolls with no resistance between the hours of 2-8am.

Signed,
The rest of Sotha Sil, all of whom are also annoyed

Agrippa_Invisus

Taysa wrote: »

Norbi wrote: »

Sotha Sil in particular. EP is zerging nearly all day and it's unplayable. Happens in every other campaign at most times. You can be experienced and skilled as much as the sky goes but you can't do **** against a zerg stealth spamming lethal arrow or whatever bullcrap scrub mechanic. Fix the pop cap please, it's not fun. Don't let a faction go above 2 bars if the others are still on 1, I've said this before. P-l-e-a-s-e!

Signed,
Annoyed DC small group player

Yes, ZoS. Please fix the population imbalances to prevent DC from night capping the entire map, PvDooring emp, and solo running scrolls with no resistance between the hours of 2-8am.

Signed,
The rest of Sotha Sil, all of whom are also annoyed

Dynamic population locks are the only things that'll fix this. Limiting the DC pop to make it equal to everyone else will make the map more fair and maybe even force some of those oceanics to reroll to get fights.

Kartalin

It seems like the vast majority of oceanic players have chosen to play DC for whatever reason. Vivec and Sotha suffer from this imbalance. I realize oceanic players are playing during their prime time (with the added bonus of some NA blues on Sotha that opt to play those times because they can't handle fair fights lol), but it seems like we're just being punished for not having an oceanic presence in our own faction. Kudos to groups like TKG for trying to balance things better.

mook-eb16_ESO

yeah I think the pvp is game slowly dying, on eu pc even main vivec camp only has full locked pop for say 5 hours in the evening, after that it falls into population imbalance. when its locked all factions, it's horrible zerging. Zenimax needs to rethink their pvp game on so many levels. its just old and tired now. time for a change. personally I wasn't over impressed by the battle grounds it didn't really do anything for me so to keep my interest they need to make changes to address imbalances and to promote fighting on 3 battle fronts instead of 2 factions v1 etc because all this stuff is making people log off the game.

zyk

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Dynamic population locks are the only things that'll fix this. Limiting the DC pop to make it equal to everyone else will make the map more fair and maybe even force some of those oceanics to reroll to get fights.

There are other ways to do it. At a rewards level, for example. A lot of undesirable activities happen because they are profitable even if they result in poor gameplay.

Drdeath20

Cyrodil needs almost a total rethinking.

Agrippa_Invisus

zyk wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Dynamic population locks are the only things that'll fix this. Limiting the DC pop to make it equal to everyone else will make the map more fair and maybe even force some of those oceanics to reroll to get fights.

There are other ways to do it. At a rewards level, for example. A lot of undesirable activities happen because they are profitable even if they result in poor gameplay.

Why would they give up a) their like language speaking guildmates and b) winning?

Sometimes you have to enforce, not just incentivize something. Years of player activity have provded they aren't going to do something until it's forced on them.

Zbigb4life

Why should other alliances be punished if yours hasn't got the numbers? I don't understand this. If it's unplayable join another campaign: don't tell me every single campaign is flooded with only one alliance?

Qbiken

I could see one of the 7 day´s campaign being removed (PC/EU). At the moment one there´re 3. Each campaing is dominated by one faction. Two seven days campaign is ok IMO, since it´s the only places with CP that isn´t pop-locked 99% of the time (and I hate playing no-CP)

gepe87

Norbi wrote: »

Sotha Sil in particular. EP is zerging nearly all day and it's unplayable. Happens in every other campaign at most times. You can be experienced and skilled as much as the sky goes but you can't do **** against a zerg stealth spamming lethal arrow or whatever bullcrap scrub mechanic. Fix the pop cap please, it's not fun. Don't let a faction go above 2 bars if the others are still on 1, I've said this before. P-l-e-a-s-e!

Signed,
Annoyed DC small group player

As a proud AD member (SS-EU), I share the same ideas and claims of my "fellow DC enemies".

BigBadVolk

Also something must be done against night/morning cap lower the ap income after taking a keep for x time or dont know, seen good ideas for that in other threads