So about the replacement for prosperous

scipionumatia

If I saw correctly the replacement for prosperous has a flat value of 9 recovery for all 3 stats at purple level.
Is it just me or is that absolute garbage?
PC gamers? I'm a console peasant please inform

Rohamad_Ali

scipionumatia wrote: »

If I saw correctly the replacement for prosperous has a flat value of 9 recovery for all 3 stats at purple level.
Is it just me or is that absolute garbage?
PC gamers? I'm a console peasant please inform

I have not messed with it yet . Not sure if it is cumulative or not . If it is cumulative then 9x7 is still pretty blah .

Ardan147

It actually is in line with the other traits. If you're running the Atronach mundus, then seven pieces of legendary armor with the Divines trait will give you an extra 125 magicka recovery (363 - 238 = 125) over what you would have gotten with just the mundus, while seven pieces legendary with Invigorating increases recovery of all three attributes by 77.

scipionumatia

@Rohamad_Ali
The way it seems to me (without using it I'm on Xbox) is that they couldn't raise the value too high because it would eclipse the gain of divines with recovery mundus.
So they had to keep it lower than what divines would give you for one stat because it effects all 3.
If your running 7 pieces, that's 63 recovery for stam mag and health. That seems super *** yeah?

Minyassa

And it does nothing whatsoever for gold now, right? Just to make sure I'm understanding this correctly before I commit to being irritated.

scipionumatia

@Minyassa correct its been changed to give recovery for all 3 stats.

Autumnhart

Can confirm it's cumulative and it's garbage.

But so was prosperous.

leepalmer95

Zos tried to revamp traits Yay.

Zos ignored feedback on trait like they usually ignore feedback given during a pts.

Trait made it to live as trash, trait will remain trash for a year or two before being looked at again and likely changed to trash.

So nothings really changed.

scipionumatia

@leepalmer95 I remember back when the game was first released there was a weapon trait that allowed you to attack faster I think it was called weighted? That would be a useful trait to throw on armor pieces no? Call it "lightweight" be able to throw it on armor pieces and allows you to attack faster. Maybe have it increase resources returned on heavy attack too?
Could be interesting considering sets like knight slayer.
Also could help healers with sustaining via heavy attacks
Would be good for my build actually...

SnubbS

Every Armor trait under-performs apart from Impen.

tl;dr, Nerf impen.

Lexxypwns

scipionumatia wrote: »

@leepalmer95 I remember back when the game was first released there was a weapon trait that allowed you to attack faster I think it was called weighted? That would be a useful trait to throw on armor pieces no? Call it "lightweight" be able to throw it on armor pieces and allows you to attack faster. Maybe have it increase resources returned on heavy attack too?
Could be interesting considering sets like knight slayer.
Also could help healers with sustaining via heavy attacks
Would be good for my build actually...

Weighted DID NOT increase light or heavy attack speed, it decreased the global cool down between skills by a given percentage. nightblades had haste as well in place of grim focus and its morphs.

scipionumatia

@Lexxypwns I wasn't sure, played the game a little when it was released and didn't really get back into the game til about a month before homestead came out.
How come that was scrapped and not improved? Also I forget but what replaced it? Precise?

Enslaved

Invigorating - utter crap.

Gold lvvl enchant must be at least 25 to be even considered as non decon material.

DarkAedin

Lexxypwns wrote: »

scipionumatia wrote: »

@leepalmer95 I remember back when the game was first released there was a weapon trait that allowed you to attack faster I think it was called weighted? That would be a useful trait to throw on armor pieces no? Call it "lightweight" be able to throw it on armor pieces and allows you to attack faster. Maybe have it increase resources returned on heavy attack too?
Could be interesting considering sets like knight slayer.
Also could help healers with sustaining via heavy attacks
Would be good for my build actually...

Weighted DID NOT increase light or heavy attack speed, it decreased the global cool down between skills by a given percentage. nightblades had haste as well in place of grim focus and its morphs.

+1 weighted was part of my build on my stamplar back then.

I dont see invigorating being a useful trait:

Pvp ur still going to want minimum 5 piece impen, and either 2 more pieces of impen or sturdy or well fitted.

Pve ur going to want divines and maybe a piece or two of infused.

Simple math makes invigorating a useless and an extremely subpar trait.

gepe87

Ita even worst than Prosperous. If it least gives 30 recovery each piece..

IcyDeadPeople

I think it can be viable, but needs to be a little stronger

Biro123

Been messing with it on willows path with drinks.
Sustain coming out the ears.
Damage a bit poo tho.

scipionumatia

Yeah, I agree @gepe87 it's gotta offer more recovery imo. Not to the point of eclipsing divines with recovery mundus, but make it useable for tanks and other builds that use a good combo of stam/mag.

An In idea I have for it is to make it percent, this way it scales with how much the player has invested in recovery.
(I know everyone has base recovery stats but for simplicity sake...) X% of 0 recovery is 0.

olsborg

It would be better if it (at gold quality) was 11 to all regenstats and to spelldmg and wepdmg.

Thrymbauld

Have to agree, I don't see any point at all to this. The recovery is so trivial that I'd actually rather have a couple extra gold when looting. A full set of this stuff will net you approximately(depending on ability cost, but if you're throwing cheap stuff you don't need more sustain anyway) ability every minute and a half in total resource!

This means that you'll take a DPS loss compared to divines that makes you require 5-10 more attacks to finish the fight to get enough resources to do 2-3 of those attacks. Your net loss compared to divines is approximately a full rotation worth of time, maybe even more.

idk

Took an absolutely worthless trait and provided it some use though it is still the least desirable for any strong build regardless of role.

max_only

Better than Prosperous for a placeholder while you wait for something better to drop.

Fherrit

I was actually annoyed with the trait change. I had built a full set of prosperous for my Thieving runs upgraded to blues for a nice bonus to my gold farming, then after trying it out for its recovery benefits discovered what everyone else did, that the recovery values are essentially garbage while the prosperous actually benefited me. Ah well, adjust and move on

Xvorg

scipionumatia wrote: »

@leepalmer95 I remember back when the game was first released there was a weapon trait that allowed you to attack faster I think it was called weighted? That would be a useful trait to throw on armor pieces no? Call it "lightweight" be able to throw it on armor pieces and allows you to attack faster. Maybe have it increase resources returned on heavy attack too?
Could be interesting considering sets like knight slayer.
Also could help healers with sustaining via heavy attacks
Would be good for my build actually...

I miss mi weighted maul =(

dsalter

they need to up magicka and stamina by about 2, health recovery by the extra amount health based stats tend to be

Tyrobag

Still better than "preposterous". It also beats out useless traits like well fitted, Impen in pve, reinforced on small pieces, and sturdy for non tanks. Its still not good, but its an improvement.

dsalter

Tyrobag wrote: »

Still better than "preposterous". It also beats out useless traits like well fitted, Impen in pve, reinforced on small pieces, and sturdy for non tanks. Its still not good, but its an improvement.

well fitted on gloves and belt is quite nice on a tanky char to be fair, allows for more dodge rolls.

luen79rwb17_ESO

Like with every other tri-stat items, foods, bonuses it's intented to be "low" because it adds to your overall resources instead of focusing on just 1 or 2.

Inklings

Mathematically it's perfectly set to be in line with other traits. It's just that in the current state of the game it's a useless trait. The old prosperous trait was just as useless and was not mathematically inline with the other traits. Intact wearing impen to farm gold made you more money cause it cost less gold to repair the gear.

Inklings

Fherrit wrote: »

I was actually annoyed with the trait change. I had built a full set of prosperous for my Thieving runs upgraded to blues for a nice bonus to my gold farming, then after trying it out for its recovery benefits discovered what everyone else did, that the recovery values are essentially garbage while the prosperous actually benefited me. Ah well, adjust and move on

Prosperous never effected the gold you made while stealing. It only effected gold you obtained from killing something. Also you saved more gold in repair bills if you ran impen over what extra you looted from prosperous.

scipionumatia

@Inklings that's kinda funny I never ran prosperous for any reason but the repair bill has me rolling