Mother's Sorrow disappeared from all builds

BurtFreeman

i'm one of the most investing on mother's sorrow + julianos build prior HotR.
actually i have 72%crit (whith inner light) and 2.500 damage with 7 divines, apprentice and spell damage glyphs.
is it a good choice or is a wasted set?
i run DD magplar

altemriel

not sure about DD magplar, but I got this combo recommended for magblade few days ago, also alcast is using it for his dd magblade pve build with fire destro, lightning destro

Beardimus

Why not just try it? You already invested so just give it a go.

Jurand80

id switch one of those sets for spinners and ran mage mundus

BurtFreeman

altemriel wrote: »

not sure about DD magplar, but I got this combo recommended for magblade few days ago, also alcast is using it for his dd magblade pve build with fire destro, lightning destro

alcast removed the mother's sorrow builds after the patch, so now i'm a bit confused if is still good

TheDoomsdayMonster

BurtFreeman wrote: »

i'm one of the most investing on mother's sorrow + julianos build prior HotR.
actually i have 72%crit (whith inner light) and 2.500 damage with 7 divines, apprentice and spell damage glyphs.
is it a good choice or is a wasted set?
i run DD magplar

Pave your own path and see what happens; you already invested in it, so give it a go...

Jurand80

alcast removed it coz shadow got nerfed too much

Trashkan

BurtFreeman wrote: »

altemriel wrote: »

not sure about DD magplar, but I got this combo recommended for magblade few days ago, also alcast is using it for his dd magblade pve build with fire destro, lightning destro

alcast removed the mother's sorrow builds after the patch, so now i'm a bit confused if is still good

What's the point of having diverse sets if all people are gonna do is trash it once alcast Does? Mothers sorrow works well maybe not as well as some but YOU will truly never know until you test them. You should make purple and test it compared to other sets that are made purple.

dickeybarret

BurtFreeman wrote: »

altemriel wrote: »

not sure about DD magplar, but I got this combo recommended for magblade few days ago, also alcast is using it for his dd magblade pve build with fire destro, lightning destro

alcast removed the mother's sorrow builds after the patch, so now i'm a bit confused if is still good

Who cares what alcast says? Half the fun of this game (for me anyways) is trying different set ups and rotations until you get that "ah hah!" moment and figure it out.

TheDoomsdayMonster

dickeybarret wrote: »

BurtFreeman wrote: »

altemriel wrote: »

not sure about DD magplar, but I got this combo recommended for magblade few days ago, also alcast is using it for his dd magblade pve build with fire destro, lightning destro

alcast removed the mother's sorrow builds after the patch, so now i'm a bit confused if is still good

Who cares what alcast says? Half the fun of this game (for me anyways) is trying different set ups and rotations until you get that "ah hah!" moment and figure it out.

Agreed...

It seems some are too busy letting others think for them opposed to figuring out for themselves what works...

FoolishHuman

BurtFreeman wrote: »

altemriel wrote: »

not sure about DD magplar, but I got this combo recommended for magblade few days ago, also alcast is using it for his dd magblade pve build with fire destro, lightning destro

alcast removed the mother's sorrow builds after the patch, so now i'm a bit confused if is still good

If you feel like it works for you just use it. The difference between BiS that gets calculated by the top theorycrafters and other builds is often very small. Most certainly not worth it throwing away good gear that you worked for or bought for lots of gold, or a build you just feel more comfortable with.

FearAndPatching

I would say try it anyways. Alcast builds are generally very good but he has posted some builds as of late that are questionable. Namely his "Racer" build (Bow/Bow StamWard) I tried it with exact same gear he advised and it is terrible, like really really terrible if your goal is endgame pve. I ended up making my own StamWard build and got flawless conquered on him over a month ago, my best self buffed damage with him is 37k which I'm sure I could get much higher on but MagSorc OP so I mainly play him instead. His word is not god and there are plenty of other builds you can use that will perform well or better.

Asardes

Maths on sets are not hard to do. Why listen to the streamers when you can grab an excel sheet, put some formulas and find out how good your build will be?

firedrgn

Pretty sure it's only around 600 dps not a huge deal unless your min max for competition trial. Ect

dickeybarret

At the end of the day it's about skill rotation. You could have the best build ever, but if you can't weave properly, let your AOE drop, don't execute right it all means nothing. Don't worry about gear unless you are solid and comfortable with your rotation first and foremost. I'd wager I could pull a higher parce with all crafted gear and a solid knowledge of my skills and rotation vs someone that has BiS stuff all around, but doesn't know their class, skills etc.

BurtFreeman

dickeybarret wrote: »

At the end of the day it's about skill rotation. You could have the best build ever, but if you can't weave properly, let your AOE drop, don't execute right it all means nothing. Don't worry about gear unless you are solid and comfortable with your rotation first and foremost. I'd wager I could pull a higher parce with all crafted gear and a solid knowledge of my skills and rotation vs someone that has BiS stuff all around, but doesn't know their class, skills etc.

very true, i'm just doing basics (for example Purifying Light, Reflective Light, 1-2 dark flare, Radiant Oppresion at the end) and is not easy, at least untill now. is going better with 2.500 damage (i was running with 1300 for long time).
after the HotR patch i prefer the apprentice, because of thief and shadows nerf, but i'm looking into it.

altemriel

Jurand80 wrote: »

alcast removed it coz shadow got nerfed too much

damn *** I was looking forward to farming mother`s sorrow in Deshaan, now not, *** *** *** ***

altemriel

BurtFreeman wrote: »

altemriel wrote: »

not sure about DD magplar, but I got this combo recommended for magblade few days ago, also alcast is using it for his dd magblade pve build with fire destro, lightning destro

alcast removed the mother's sorrow builds after the patch, so now i'm a bit confused if is still good

***...

altemriel

Beardimus wrote: »

Why not just try it? You already invested so just give it a go.

that is such a dumb *** thing, that you farm some set and until you farm it, you realize it is not as good

SodanTok

FearAndPatching wrote: »

I would say try it anyways. Alcast builds are generally very good but he has posted some builds as of late that are questionable. Namely his "Racer" build (Bow/Bow StamWard) I tried it with exact same gear he advised and it is terrible, like really really terrible if your goal is endgame pve. I ended up making my own StamWard build and got flawless conquered on him over a month ago, my best self buffed damage with him is 37k which I'm sure I could get much higher on but MagSorc OP so I mainly play him instead. His word is not god and there are plenty of other builds you can use that will perform well or better.

Try make better bow/bow build with cliffracer

altemriel

SodanTok wrote: »

FearAndPatching wrote: »

I would say try it anyways. Alcast builds are generally very good but he has posted some builds as of late that are questionable. Namely his "Racer" build (Bow/Bow StamWard) I tried it with exact same gear he advised and it is terrible, like really really terrible if your goal is endgame pve. I ended up making my own StamWard build and got flawless conquered on him over a month ago, my best self buffed damage with him is 37k which I'm sure I could get much higher on but MagSorc OP so I mainly play him instead. His word is not god and there are plenty of other builds you can use that will perform well or better.

Try make better bow/bow build with racer

gear is one part of the build, skill setup second, rotation third and most important experience and flexibility and speed of rotation (dps).

Delerium

Does it really matter....

Whatever we switch to using will just get nerfed next patch

Vaoh

Mother's Sorrow got nerfed, Shadow got nerfed..... simply put it's just not that great now compared to other sets. There are better sets to use.

FearAndPatching

SodanTok wrote: »

FearAndPatching wrote: »

I would say try it anyways. Alcast builds are generally very good but he has posted some builds as of late that are questionable. Namely his "Racer" build (Bow/Bow StamWard) I tried it with exact same gear he advised and it is terrible, like really really terrible if your goal is endgame pve. I ended up making my own StamWard build and got flawless conquered on him over a month ago, my best self buffed damage with him is 37k which I'm sure I could get much higher on but MagSorc OP so I mainly play him instead. His word is not god and there are plenty of other builds you can use that will perform well or better.

Try make better bow/bow build with cliffracer

Why make better bow bow when I can face roll 41k+ dps on sorc with far better survivability.

SodanTok

FearAndPatching wrote: »

SodanTok wrote: »

FearAndPatching wrote: »

I would say try it anyways. Alcast builds are generally very good but he has posted some builds as of late that are questionable. Namely his "Racer" build (Bow/Bow StamWard) I tried it with exact same gear he advised and it is terrible, like really really terrible if your goal is endgame pve. I ended up making my own StamWard build and got flawless conquered on him over a month ago, my best self buffed damage with him is 37k which I'm sure I could get much higher on but MagSorc OP so I mainly play him instead. His word is not god and there are plenty of other builds you can use that will perform well or better.

Try make better bow/bow build with cliffracer

Why make better bow bow when I can face roll 41k+ dps on sorc with far better survivability.

Thats not the point. Everybody knows bow/bow builds are weak and even alcast himself stated as such on his build. But the way you complained sounded more like you have better idea for bow/bow build.

Thats like complaining about magwarden build not being good dps. Its not build issue

FearAndPatching

SodanTok wrote: »

FearAndPatching wrote: »

SodanTok wrote: »

FearAndPatching wrote: »

I would say try it anyways. Alcast builds are generally very good but he has posted some builds as of late that are questionable. Namely his "Racer" build (Bow/Bow StamWard) I tried it with exact same gear he advised and it is terrible, like really really terrible if your goal is endgame pve. I ended up making my own StamWard build and got flawless conquered on him over a month ago, my best self buffed damage with him is 37k which I'm sure I could get much higher on but MagSorc OP so I mainly play him instead. His word is not god and there are plenty of other builds you can use that will perform well or better.

Try make better bow/bow build with cliffracer

Why make better bow bow when I can face roll 41k+ dps on sorc with far better survivability.

Thats not the point. Everybody knows bow/bow builds are weak and even alcast himself stated as such on his build. But the way you complained sounded more like you have better idea for bow/bow build.

Thats like complaining about magwarden build not being good dps. Its not build issue

If you look at his page for the build https://alcasthq.com/eso-stamina-warden-bow-build-pve/
It doesn't say anything about this build is weak on there. I'm sorry after getting to know the standard of almost all his builds being excellent and playing that one that was recommended I feel it was just click bait after morrowind dropped. Either way to OP try your build you have set up your already so far vested in it.

Betsararie

trash now from what I've been hearing

Haven't tried anything with it, tho, I didn't buy any.

ValkynSketha

Mother's sorrow is not being used because of better option infallible aether being bugged and thus better option, ones IA get nerf mother's sorrow will be better.