Heavy Magicka DK PvP Build (HotR)

Cyrediath

I am using 5 black rose 5 desert rose 7 heavy 860 magicka recovery still having resource management issues. Anyone has suggestions or builds to share? It will be more appriciated if you add your mundus, stats and everything.
Thanks. ^^

Qbiken

Disclaimer: I´m no expert at PvP when it comes to magDK (no expert when it comes to PvP in generall but I can read so I´m able to do some research from time to time on what´s good in Cyrodil).

A screenshoot with the Superstar Addon Always help if you want people to give feedback on your setup, since you get info about championpoints and what kind of enchants you´re running etc.

The first thing I reacted to was that you´re using Blackrose. Blackrose used to be a good set, but as far as I know it´s a Little of a lackluster (Personally I Think the nerf this set took was to big, a nerf was needed but not as huge as it was, but anyway...). Now if you want to go for "full-sustain" I´d rather use Syrabanes Grip instead of Blackrose (note that a setup with Desert Rose + Syrabane won´t end up doing a lot of damage).

I will share my magDK that I like to use: (The gear I always use are marked with darker text, the rest are sets that I swap in/out from time to time since I´m still Learning to play magDK)
* 5 Desert Rose: 3 Jewels + 2 Body (Sturdy)
* Valkyn Skoria for more damage, Bloodspawn for more tankiness, Slimecraw isn´t bad to be honest.
* Syrabanes Grip, Rattlecage, Silk of the Sun, Burning Spellweave, Alteration Mastery, Seducer

I personally don´t like Seducer and Alteration Mastery that much. The reduced cost is nice, but it doesn´t offer any regen, so once you´re out of resources Alteration and Seducer isn´t very helpfull (personal preference, others might have other opinions regarding those 2 sets).

My generall impression when it comse to magDK in PvP is that you´ll have to invest a lot into Blockcost reduction. Since DK got a huge nerf to their sustain with Morrowind (Then nerf to Helping Hands and Battleroar) investing a lot into block-cost reduction has become important. From what I´ve seen magickaDK can be a hard class to play solo.´Now I don´t know if OP play solo or in a Group, just assuming here.

But it would be interesting if you could link a Superstar Picture with your build. Would give more information.

WaltherCarraway

Black Rose belongs to pre-Morrowind era. Plain english: it has been nerf'd into the ground
Desert Rose is way too reactive despite its bonus

I'd suggest Pariah + Meridia's Blessed Armor + Bloodspawn and Atronach Stone.

Pariah 5pc: Increases your Physical and Spell Resistance by up to 11904 based on your missing Health.

MBA 5pc: When you block an attack, you have a 33% chance to blind the attacker, causing them to miss all of their attacks for 5 seconds. This effect can occur once every 10 seconds.

Bloodspawn 2pc: When you take damage, you have a 6% chance to generate 14 Ultimate and increase your Physical and Spell Resistance by 6450 for 6 seconds. This effect can occur once every 6 seconds.

These 3 can definitely cause some LULZ

One last thing:

Please, even you're on heavy spec, DO NOT hold block all the time.

Cyrediath

Im on a veesel now as 2nd officer i cant access to my pc now but;

im using 5 heavy black rose 2 heavy grothdarr all impen. 1h/s both bars shields infused swords infused. 1 spell damage on sword 1 shield on sword. jewelries 3 desert rose and wepons/shields desert rose. 2 spell damage 1 mag rec. enchant. all atmor 3stat glyph.

i have 32k hp 34k magicka 21k stamina. 860 magicka recovery 2100 spell damage. 28k spell damage 26k physical resistance 3.200 crit resistance. %32 crit. im vampire. all stats are fully unbuffed. only tristat food. i have %23 block reduction from cp as well. whip tooltip damage 8.3k unbuffed. spell damage goes up to 3.800 i guess. using spell damage magicka potion.

so in theory, assuming getting hit all the time, i should get 1.200 fimag rec. from desert rose + 500 magicka recovery from black rose (cons) +860 magicka recovery = 2560 mag recovery without any buff. but i dont get hit that often if im duelling so i cant sustain my magicka with this build. i end up just blocking until i get some magicka back in a duel. is there anyway to sustain better with heavy armor? İiI lıke desert + black because it gives resources while blocking or in mist form. But i cant sustain my resources in a duel.

Thanks.

IxskullzxI

What are your jewelry glyphs and mundus? Are you dead set on going heavy armor? By going light you gain a lot of regen and cost reduction. If you're set on heavy and 2 sustain sets, swapping out black rose for seducer would be much better for sustain imo. If you aren't running reduce magicka cost glyphs in heavy armor on a mDK, you should be. Dk skills cost so much.

ak_pvp

Ditch blackrose, nerfed to ***. Desert rose is wayy too random IMO. Go for atro stone, bloodspawn, and a more reliable sustain set like syrabanes/alt mastery/seducer. One damage/utility set too, variable. These all are more reliable, syrabane might not be great against all builds, but even some stam builds have a small amount of magic damage, i.e. DK.

Cyrediath

Is alteration mastery better than desert rose?

ak_pvp

Cyrediath wrote: »

Is alteration mastery better than desert rose?

In my opinion yes, desert rose is super random, alt master is a constant 6% reduction on all ability costs, rolling, blocking and sprinting too. (Which is good for me since I run a blockbuild) I don't know but it might also reduce break free cost.

wrapped

Dear dk brothers. Your problem is heavy armor. Use impreg sturdy in light with desert rose and your dreams will come true

Kartalin

I've been using impreg with desert rose and blood spawn myself with 5 light and just testing it out in BGs and still getting used to my bars and such it was working pretty well.

Jjitsuboy98

Kartalin wrote: »

I've been using impreg with desert rose and blood spawn myself with 5 light and just testing it out in BGs and still getting used to my bars and such it was working pretty well.

What's your health stamina and Magicka with a setup like this?

Kartalin

Still using trifood with one or two health enchants, end up with 24k-ish health, 30k magicka, 14k stamina. Not huge mag regen though, but argonian passives help along with DK.

Kartalin

Jjitsuboy98 wrote: »

Kartalin wrote: »

I've been using impreg with desert rose and blood spawn myself with 5 light and just testing it out in BGs and still getting used to my bars and such it was working pretty well.

What's your health stamina and Magicka with a setup like this?

Ahh, sorry was off on my magicka a bit on my first reply. Here's a screenshot:



Pretty new character still, haven't finished leveling light armor or sword and board so I still have some passives to unlock. Will get 2400 more penetration in 5 more levels of light armor.

Edit: Screenshot is from Sotha Sil, and none of our campaign buffs (enemy keep bonus 1) are affecting my stats. Buffed with Volatile Armor and Igneous Weapons.

Jjitsuboy98

Kartalin wrote: »

Jjitsuboy98 wrote: »

Kartalin wrote: »

I've been using impreg with desert rose and blood spawn myself with 5 light and just testing it out in BGs and still getting used to my bars and such it was working pretty well.

What's your health stamina and Magicka with a setup like this?

Ahh, sorry was off on my magicka a bit on my first reply. Here's a screenshot:



Pretty new character still, haven't finished leveling light armor or sword and board so I still have some passives to unlock. Will get 2400 more penetration in 5 more levels of light armor.

Edit: Screenshot is from Sotha Sil, and none of our campaign buffs (enemy keep bonus 1) are affecting my stats. Buffed with Volatile Armor and Igneous Weapons.

So i bought the same setup. 36500 magicka around 15 k stamina 26500 health. Regen is around 1000 and damage is around 2100. Right now I'm not digging it all. The impreg is nice but desert rose procs seem unreliable. Leaves me starving for magicka. I can have 50 k Magicka 17 k stamina 25 k health with 1800 Magicka recovery running shackle breaker and trainee with witchmother food and grothdar/domihaus. Damage and sustain being way better. That was when I was a Dunmer. With argonian the max mag will be a little less. I'm just not feeling mag dk I have spent a ton of gold trying stuff.