starkerealm wrote: »I know, you said, ignoring undead
WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »I know, you said, ignoring undead
I also said 'mortal-by-default' and 'no special powers or effects laid on them' other than being immortal - which discounts vampires, gods and demi-gods as none of those fit those criteria. The idea being to get an idea of how 'common' the condition is.
WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »Now I think on it, there was an orc in one quest who was basically immortal.
theroyalestpythonnub18_ESO wrote: »Gelebor? Also maybe Yagrum since he's only still alive due to corprus.
The Drake of Blades and Wilderking/Queen seem to be immortal as well, but probably violate the special powers condition.
I think its assumed that the Vestige is a Daedra or Perfect soulshriven vestige.something about being attuned to Nirn instead of the Waters of Oblivion.starkerealm wrote: »Divayth Fyr may not technically be immortal, but he's in both ESO and the single player games, so...
Similarly, Neloth is effectively immortal. Though non-canon paths through Morrowind can result in his death (as I recall).
EDIT: There may be other members of House Telvanni that are effectively immortal due to magic, but it's not completely clear.
Credit to Mankar Camoran, who may not actually be immortal, but was around for the entirety of the third era.
Beyond this, the three members of the Tribunal and Dagoth Ur probably count.
Yagrum is immortal due to Corprus, as is the Nerevarine. The Ash Vampires, and most members of the Sixth House might also be immortal, but that's a bigger question mark. (Worth remembering, the Ash Vampires are neither vampires nor undead, so they do qualify. Their immortality is derived from Corprus mutations as I recall.)
Cadwell may be mortal, but I kinda doubt it.
Laloriaran Dynar is another one. He's kind of a special case, the flashback to Glenumbra Moors that you see is just under 3,000 years before the events of ESO proper.
The Champion of Cyrodiil may have been rendered immortal by the events of Shivering Isles, depending on your perspective. You may also choose to consider them a daedra at that point, and strike them from the options.
The Vestiage is another big question mark, but it's pretty clear they can't be killed through normal means, and even the extraordinary efforts used against them in Bangkorai seem to have been ineffective.
Most vampires would technically fit the bill. I know, you said, ignoring undead, though these guys are a slightly different situation than something like a lich or spirit. The oldest one we've encountered in game would be Lamae. Though I'm a little unclear on exactly how old she is. It's possible, tacking on the extra millennia between ESO and Skyrim could make Serana or Valerica the oldest vampire we've actually interacted with.
Incidentally, depending on how you feel about it, Tiber Septum, and Wulfharth may also fit the bill. You may encounter Talos personally during the main quest of Morrowind (there's a way to miss this encounter, but I don't remember how). Wulfharth is more of a question. There's theories that you're actually playing him in Skryim... so... *shrugs*
starkerealm wrote: »
Countcalorie wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »
Patches in bloodborne was weird.just some spider with a bald guys head.very weird.
Countcalorie wrote: »arnt all soulshriven a form of daedra?
Countcalorie wrote: »how is Neloth Immortal? he's just old.remember that the elven lifespan is 1-1000 years and it was only two hundred and something years from when the Nevereane meets Neloth to when the Dragonborn meets Neloth.unless I'm wrong and theres a larger year gap between the Nevereane Prophecy and the Oblivion Crisis.but even if thats true Neloth would still be alive and mortal.
lordrichter wrote: »
MUSTACHMAN654 wrote: »Well Almalexia Sotha Sil and Vivec are kind of immortal being that they are living gods, though Vivec did almost die by Barbas when he tricked you into using Sunrah to give him his powers back.
starkerealm wrote: »It's an open question if the Nerevarine killed Vivec or not. The game lets you choose to do so, but there's no concrete information which way this went in subsequent games.
WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »It's an open question if the Nerevarine killed Vivec or not. The game lets you choose to do so, but there's no concrete information which way this went in subsequent games.
There was a rumor he got kidnapped by Daedra in Oblivion.
Countcalorie wrote: »WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »It's an open question if the Nerevarine killed Vivec or not. The game lets you choose to do so, but there's no concrete information which way this went in subsequent games.
There was a rumor he got kidnapped by Daedra in Oblivion.
I think its implied he either died or became completely powerless(and therefore useless to any daedra aside for punishing him) as baan dar crashed into nirn causing Red Mountain to erupt didn't it?
starkerealm wrote: »Yeah, more or less. In Oblivion it's said that he'd removed himself from public life after the deaths of Almalexia and Sotha Sil. Though that could have meant he was simply dead, and his priesthood was trying to keep it quiet. EDIT: Actually, come to think of it, Oblivion might have suggested that both Vivec and Almalexia were doing fine but had withdrawn, and we know Almalexia is toast.
WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Yeah, more or less. In Oblivion it's said that he'd removed himself from public life after the deaths of Almalexia and Sotha Sil. Though that could have meant he was simply dead, and his priesthood was trying to keep it quiet. EDIT: Actually, come to think of it, Oblivion might have suggested that both Vivec and Almalexia were doing fine but had withdrawn, and we know Almalexia is toast.
Where in Oblivion is this info?
starkerealm wrote: »MUSTACHMAN654 wrote: »Well Almalexia Sotha Sil and Vivec are kind of immortal being that they are living gods, though Vivec did almost die by Barbas when he tricked you into using Sunrah to give him his powers back.
Slight spoiler alert from 2003...
Almalexia goes bugnuts, and kills Sotha Sil a few years down the line.
Also makes a credible attempt to wax the real Nerevarine by unleashing Fabricants into Mournhold. Things do not go well from her after that.
It's an open question if the Nerevarine killed Vivec or not. The game lets you choose to do so, but there's no concrete information which way this went in subsequent games.
lordrichter wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »MUSTACHMAN654 wrote: »Well Almalexia Sotha Sil and Vivec are kind of immortal being that they are living gods, though Vivec did almost die by Barbas when he tricked you into using Sunrah to give him his powers back.
Slight spoiler alert from 2003...
Almalexia goes bugnuts, and kills Sotha Sil a few years down the line.
Also makes a credible attempt to wax the real Nerevarine by unleashing Fabricants into Mournhold. Things do not go well from her after that.
It's an open question if the Nerevarine killed Vivec or not. The game lets you choose to do so, but there's no concrete information which way this went in subsequent games.
If the assault on Clockwork City by Clavicus Vile has taught us anything, it is that Baar Dau has no patience for an inattentive Vivec, and would not tolerate even a brief amount of time without him. Baar Dau tells us that Vivec continued to live, with powers waning, for a long time following the Nerevarine and the defeat of Dagoth Ur. Until the time of Vuhon, and the invention of the Ingenium, we can be certain that Vivec is alive.
You find an flute somewhere who is labled "To Maiq from his father Maiq"