No more prosperous trash?
Lyserus
✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭
✭✭
I nahed ZOS a lot but this trait change is definitely one of the good one 
all you need to do now is dethrone impen and the trait system will be somewhat balanced now
(And perhaps buff Nirnhoned, afterall they are the craft only trait and is damn hard to get)
all you need to do now is dethrone impen and the trait system will be somewhat balanced now(And perhaps buff Nirnhoned, afterall they are the craft only trait and is damn hard to get)
0
-
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Aaaaand I claim this avatar and no one else should use mudcrab!
I've debated mudcrabs more fearsome than... waitaminute.
I nahed ZOS a lot but this trait change is definitely one of the good one all you need to do now is dethrone impen and the trait system will be somewhat balanced now
(And perhaps buff Nirnhoned, afterall they are the craft only trait and is damn hard to get)
Yeah, Nirn isn't technically crafted only, but still. The easiest solution would be to apply some crit resist to all gear, and then have Impen function as a buff on top of that.0 -
Septimus_Magna✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Impen is BiS for pvp so I dont see it disappearing anytime soon.
PC - EU (AD)SpoilerSeptimus Mezar - Altmer Sorcerer
Septimus Rulanir - Orsimer Templar
Septimus Desmoru - Khajiit Necromancer
Septimus Iroh - Dunmer Dragon Knight
Septimus Thragar - Dunmer Nightblade
Septimus Jah'zar - Khajiit Nightblade
Septimus Nerox - Redguard Warden
Septimus Ozurk - Orsimer Sorcerer6 -
xSkullfox✭✭✭✭✭Increases Magicka, Stamiman and Health Recovery by: 11 on golden, would be 77 reg on 7 gear pieces wow.... think it comes from the same person who had the ice stave taunt idea....Groupfinder:
The worst part is when it finally puts you in a group, your healer turns into a werewolf, your tank has 14k HP and the dps is heavy armor, using a restro staff and a two handed sword on the backbar. Then comes the 15 minute penalty before the cycle starts anew.
Rulz of Morrowind:Spoiler- The first rule of Morrowind is: You do not talk about Morrowind.
- The second rule of Morrowind is: You do not talk about Morrowind.
- Third rule of Morrowind: Someone yells NDA stuff, uploads images, streams, the game is over.
- Fourth rule: only invited players can test.
- Fifth rule: one invite at a time, fellas.
- Sixth rule: crying or bashing on pts.
- Seventh rule: NDA will go on as long as they have to.
- And the eighth and final rule: If this is your first invite at Morrowind, you have to play.
13 -
KeiruNicrom✭✭✭✭✭The new trait is pretty good. Could be slightly better but certainly much better than prosperous ever was.
In regards to a nirn buff i think reinforced should get the current nirn effect and nirn should get a chance reduction effect. That is to say something like "criticals and status effects have a 1/2/3/4/5% reduced chance to trigger/effect you". Essentially you are less likely to be chilled, concussed, burned, etc and less likely to be hit by a crit. Would work well as a new pvp trait0 -
Rowjoh✭✭✭✭✭
✭Nope. The new Invigorating trait buff is so small it doesn't make any noticeable difference at all.
Anyone who understands build basics will never run it in place of the BiS traits.
At least Prosperous was useful for extra gold while levelling!10 -
Septimus_Magna✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Increases Magicka, Stamiman and Health Recovery by: 11 on golden, would be 77 reg on 7 gear pieces wow.... think it comes from the same person who had the ice stave taunt idea....
I thought it was really bad too until I ran some numbers.
Full divines gives 52.5% mundus stone buff, with atronach/serpent mundus that 238 x 0.525 = 125 regen
Full invigo gives 77 tri-stat regen, total regen value 3 x 77 = 231 regen. So if you need two regen stats its almost just as good as the divines value with regen mundus.
Its easy to overestimate the value of divines when it comes to regen.
PC - EU (AD)SpoilerSeptimus Mezar - Altmer Sorcerer
Septimus Rulanir - Orsimer Templar
Septimus Desmoru - Khajiit Necromancer
Septimus Iroh - Dunmer Dragon Knight
Septimus Thragar - Dunmer Nightblade
Septimus Jah'zar - Khajiit Nightblade
Septimus Nerox - Redguard Warden
Septimus Ozurk - Orsimer Sorcerer4 -
RedFireDisco✭✭✭✭Septimus_Magna wrote: »
I thought it was really bad too until I ran some numbers.
Full divines gives 52.5% mundus stone buff, with atronach/serpent mundus that 238 x 0.525 = 125 regen
Full invigo gives 77 tri-stat regen, total regen value 3 x 77 = 231 regen. So if you need two regen stats its almost just as good as the divines value with regen mundus.
Its easy to overestimate the value of divines when it comes to regen.
Interesting numbers there.0 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I nahed ZOS a lot but this trait change is definitely one of the good one all you need to do now is dethrone impen and the trait system will be somewhat balanced now
(And perhaps buff Nirnhoned, afterall they are the craft only trait and is damn hard to get)
There is gear that drops in Nirnhone and Inpen is a good trait, limited use, but solid. Does not need to be removed or changed.
I have a nirn alkosh shield. Have deconed nirn gear.
Edited by idk on August 17, 2017 12:42PM0 -
Jaxaxo✭✭✭✭Yepp, current numbers of invigorating can look poor, but they couldn't be higher cuz of divinies. I'm fine with them and i think some ppl can find some use for them in minmaxing their builds.Forum War - pro AC side
EU PC Azura Star/Sotha Sil/Bahlokdaan/Ravenwatch
Triggered Tryhards / Aetherius Art / LND / DC-PD
DC - Frostitute magden
AD - Pees-under-Trees magden
DC - Lemme Dark Deal stamsorc
EP - Lemme Dark Déal stamsorc
Youtube0 -
Khenarthi✭✭✭✭✭
✭I have not tested this yet, but I do wonder what playstyle will ind benefit from this trait now. As a quester I don't really run out of resources if I 2/3/4 shot everything. As a tank I got some sustain to worry about - would this trait regen stamina while blocking?PC-EU0 -
rfennell_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I nahed ZOS a lot but this trait change is definitely one of the good one all you need to do now is dethrone impen and the trait system will be somewhat balanced now
(And perhaps buff Nirnhoned, afterall they are the craft only trait and is damn hard to get)
Yes there is no longer any prosperous trash.
It's just now called "invigorating" and it's still trash.1 -
Jamini✭✭✭✭✭Septimus_Magna wrote: »Full divines gives 52.5% mundus stone buff, with atronach/serpent mundus that 238 x 0.525 = 125 regen
Full invigo gives 77 tri-stat regen, total regen value 3 x 77 = 231 regen. So if you need two regen stats its almost just as good as the divines value with regen mundus.
Counterpoint, the only specs who run regen mundus are tanks and healers, who don't use divines as a rule. (Instead preferring infused and sturdy)
Invigorating is garbage and a waste of a trait.Edited by Jamini on August 17, 2017 1:43PM"Adapt. or Die."1 -
DeadlyRecluse✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭
Counterpoint, the only specs who run regen mundus are tanks and healers, who don't use divines as a rule. (Instead preferring infused and sturdy)
Invigorating is garbage and a waste of a trait.
^
Invigorating is only useful on builds that would otherwise run a regen mundus and divines. Not sure what those builds are.Thrice Empress, Forever Scrub0 -
capper123✭✭those traits were always meant to be fillers. at one time you didnt always get a shoulder from key and everyone moaned about it. so they said ok you will now always get one but they added filler traits so didnt make any diff.0
-
Queo✭✭✭Nope. The new Invigorating trait buff is so small it doesn't make any noticeable difference at all.
Anyone who understands build basics will never run it in place of the BiS traits.
At least Prosperous was useful for extra gold while levelling!
yeah im actually annoyed by this change. Prosperous was perfect for my crafter when i farmed.
0
