ZOS? Do you hate Templars?

Destruent

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Templar is the only class in game that can fulfill every role and actually do great at it not just decent.

They can tank
Heal
Dps.

Name another class that can do that?

Lol...heal ok, they are best healers arm, but not by far...sorcs and warden do fine aswell

Tank: they are outclassed by dks, even more than pre morrowind, bc what made their heals strong is magicka and you won't have that much now...dks on the other hand have the best selfheal for tanks atm, while adding group support with shields. Templars can't compete here as maintank and are definitely also subpar (but possible )as offtank

Dps: the only magicka-build which can compete with stambuilds are sorcs, and van those are only allowed bc of of-balance and the possibility for ranged-dmg. Templars as melee-dps shouldn't even think about competing in an optimized group...

itsfatbass

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Templar is the only class in game that can fulfill every role and actually do great at it not just decent.

They can tank
Heal
Dps.

Name another class that can do that?

DK, Sorc, Warden and NB. Oh wait, all of them can...

WillhelmBlack

I think they're just sick of the whining. I just hope this isn't related to anything but PvE damage dealing :l

itscompton

Bkella wrote: »

*Stamina/magicka character in heavy armor waves hand and is back to full health*

LTP, hit a Templar wearing heavy armor with a befoul and watch them wave their hand 4-5 times to try to stay ahead of the damage taken, draining their whole magic bar in the process and then dying because whatever stam character is attacking still has half their stam left.

ajaxtheboss

For most competitive PvE, a lot of the MagTemps I know are switching to lightning heavies+DoTs and are taking off jabs completely. The damage is higher and the survivability is higher since you're fighting at range.

Magtemp can pull 30k solo parse. 40k with ele drain/lightning wall parse. And into the 45k range in trials because of the near 100% offbalance time.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?list=PLTLUnpVWln2nRP7DV-I_GkCQ2SOuKRKvc&v=O66gOx-qxt4

Destruent

ajaxtheboss wrote: »

For most competitive PvE, a lot of the MagTemps I know are switching to lightning heavies+DoTs and are taking off jabs completely. The damage is higher and the survivability is higher since you're fighting at range.

Magtemp can pull 30k solo parse. 40k with ele drain/lightning wall parse. And into the 45k range in trials because of the near 100% offbalance time.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?list=PLTLUnpVWln2nRP7DV-I_GkCQ2SOuKRKvc&v=O66gOx-qxt4

And 45k is 10k below magsorcs and like 15k below stambuilds...don't think that's ok at all...

On top of that, 30k solo parse is like low end of dps and not even in the range of competitive be dps

Wreuntzylla

PlagueSD wrote: »

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How about make Green Lotus add 300% damage to light & heavy attacks when an opponent is below 25% health instead of the heal. You can keep the heal in the Lotus Blossom morph, which would make more sense with healers.

Because Kvatch Gladiator.

Wardens are pretty darn good in PvP. Can't comment on PvE.

KingJ

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Templar is the only class in game that can fulfill every role and actually do great at it not just decent.

They can tank
Heal
Dps.

Name another class that can do that?

That's not true my sorc healer pretty good so is my tank sorc and pull more dps then most people.

lasertooth

Puncturing sweeps and Jesus beam are the bread and butter of a Templar. Imagine if crystal frags never proc'd and mages wrath never gave the bonus execute damage...I think there would be an eso riot lol.

Vaoh

These people aren't even asking for buffs. Please BUG FIX Templars -_-

MarzAttakz

Vaoh wrote: »

These people aren't even asking for buffs. Please BUG FIX Templars -_-

Is that how far we have fallen? Begging for scraps like dogs beneath a table!

Ep1kMalware

lasertooth wrote: »

Puncturing sweeps and Jesus beam are the bread and butter of a Templar. Imagine if crystal frags never proc'd and mages wrath never gave the bonus execute damage...I think there would be an eso riot lol.

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Drummerx04

Destruent wrote: »

ajaxtheboss wrote: »

For most competitive PvE, a lot of the MagTemps I know are switching to lightning heavies+DoTs and are taking off jabs completely. The damage is higher and the survivability is higher since you're fighting at range.

Magtemp can pull 30k solo parse. 40k with ele drain/lightning wall parse. And into the 45k range in trials because of the near 100% offbalance time.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?list=PLTLUnpVWln2nRP7DV-I_GkCQ2SOuKRKvc&v=O66gOx-qxt4

And 45k is 10k below magsorcs and like 15k below stambuilds...don't think that's ok at all...

On top of that, 30k solo parse is like low end of dps and not even in the range of competitive be dps

What magsorc parses are you looking at that deal 55k ST damage this patch?

Animal_Mother

Remag_Div wrote: »

Everything is cyclical.

Templars will eventually get buffed, then subsequently nerfed like everything else in the game on repeat until the game shuts down.

First rule of ESO is nerf Templars. (Followed closely by nerf DK)

This patch they must of forgotten the notes for us.

Animal_Mother

Rudyard wrote: »

ZOS forced us into the "defend your house" meta for most magicka and stamina templars. Many of us in PVP have begrudgingly accepted that role. Unfortunately, with the tools available, it's more like we can kick you out of our house or make you miserable enough to leave our house, but we're going to still have a hard time killing you in our house.

I still trying to understand why ZOS took away our shard cc.

MarzAttakz

Animal_Mother wrote: »

Rudyard wrote: »

ZOS forced us into the "defend your house" meta for most magicka and stamina templars. Many of us in PVP have begrudgingly accepted that role. Unfortunately, with the tools available, it's more like we can kick you out of our house or make you miserable enough to leave our house, but we're going to still have a hard time killing you in our house.

I still trying to understand why ZOS took away our shard cc.

They took it away to give to Warden Dave so his Shalks could land, after deliberation with their resident psych professor they decided not to and forgot to give it back... there's only so far you can push a community before it breaks. The public death of one Templar was the line they weren't permitted to cross.

Rygonix

lasertooth wrote: »

Puncturing sweeps and Jesus beam are the bread and butter of a Templar. Imagine if crystal frags never proc'd and mages wrath never gave the bonus execute damage...I think there would be an eso riot lol.

Remember when Overload was bugged to be unusable as a third swap bar unless you do something specific with block?
The forums were on fire and ZoS had it fixed faster than they could ever come up with a nerf to Templars.That's quick.

Yolokin_Swagonborn

Rygonix wrote: »

lasertooth wrote: »

Puncturing sweeps and Jesus beam are the bread and butter of a Templar. Imagine if crystal frags never proc'd and mages wrath never gave the bonus execute damage...I think there would be an eso riot lol.

Remember when Overload was bugged to be unusable as a third swap bar unless you do something specific with block?
The forums were on fire and ZoS had it fixed faster than they could ever come up with a nerf to Templars.That's quick.

Meanwhile, when toppling charge was bugged for literally years.

Destruent

Drummerx04 wrote: »

Destruent wrote: »

ajaxtheboss wrote: »

For most competitive PvE, a lot of the MagTemps I know are switching to lightning heavies+DoTs and are taking off jabs completely. The damage is higher and the survivability is higher since you're fighting at range.

Magtemp can pull 30k solo parse. 40k with ele drain/lightning wall parse. And into the 45k range in trials because of the near 100% offbalance time.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?list=PLTLUnpVWln2nRP7DV-I_GkCQ2SOuKRKvc&v=O66gOx-qxt4

And 45k is 10k below magsorcs and like 15k below stambuilds...don't think that's ok at all...

On top of that, 30k solo parse is like low end of dps and not even in the range of competitive be dps

What magsorc parses are you looking at that deal 55k ST damage this patch?

Tbh I haven't seen any pars s from this patch yet...but I cannot imagin sorc-dps dropped by 10k+ (that would be needed to make Templars with their actual dmg viable compared to sorcs) in an optimized raid setting...but anyways...fix Templars and it should be ok.

Dr.NRG

The devs hate templars cause they had to nerf radient due to complaints of the community. Now that their kill button is gone this class is to hard for em

tunepunk

What's wrong with templar? I think magplar has some of the most interesting skills in game. At least in the Aedric spear line.

Blazing Spear - A huge ground aoe that is front heavy, so deals most damage on impact, unlike most other ground AOE.
Explosive Charge - Awesome AOE charge, that interrupts.
Puncturing Sweep - Like rapid strikes, but with some AOE damage, that also heals you.
Burning light - A passive that hits pretty hard and pretty often with your spear abilites.
Piercing spear - A passive that makes you crit harder, so make sure to invest in high crit chance.

I'm getting pretty good DPS, as DW magplar. My favorite character at the moment.

PvE overland it's completely overkill. Killing giants, trolls, storm atronachs etc in about 3-4 seconds. (Usually i get around 25-30k dps on a single bar, without any buffs like major sorcery) Groups of enemies in public dungeons go down in about 1-2 seconds. Blazing spear > Charge > Sweep > dead.

In vet dungeon pugs i'm usually around 50-60% group damage even with sorcs in the group... Yes sorcs maybe better at building up a higher overall DPS when they have their rotation going, but I feel Templar is more explosive, doing most of their damage quickly. Front heavy skills, and charge, you will often kill stuff faster than sorcs have time to build up DPS. Well that's just my experience. Playing a sorc your rotations often get interrupted by mechanics, and it can take time to build up momentum again if your rotation get screwed. Real world is not a target dummy. Templar reaches a pretty high dps in a shorter timespan. I think that's one of the strengths.

In PvP I switch to 1 hand and shield. And have no problem surviving or killing. Even with light armor, and no impen gear, (And I almost never PvP so I'm not very good at it)

I can't complain at all. I think it's a very versatile class.

NiclasFridholm

tunepunk wrote: »

What's wrong with templar? I think magplar has some of the most interesting skills in game. At least in the Aedric spear line.

Blazing Spear - A huge ground aoe that is front heavy, so deals most damage on impact, unlike most other ground AOE.
Explosive Charge - Awesome AOE charge, that interrupts.
Puncturing Sweep - Like rapid strikes, but with some AOE damage, that also heals you.
Burning light - A passive that hits pretty hard and pretty often with your spear abilites.
Piercing spear - A passive that makes you crit harder, so make sure to invest in high crit chance.

I'm getting pretty good DPS, as DW magplar. My favorite character at the moment.

PvE overland it's completely overkill. Killing giants, trolls, storm atronachs etc in about 3-4 seconds. (Usually i get around 25-30k dps on a single bar, without any buffs like major sorcery) Groups of enemies in public dungeons go down in about 1-2 seconds. Blazing spear > Charge > Sweep > dead.

In vet dungeon pugs i'm usually around 50-60% group damage even with sorcs in the group... Yes sorcs maybe better at building up a higher overall DPS when they have their rotation going, but I feel Templar is more explosive, doing most of their damage quickly. Front heavy skills, and charge, you will often kill stuff faster than sorcs have time to build up DPS. Well that's just my experience. Playing a sorc your rotations often get interrupted by mechanics, and it can take time to build up momentum again if your rotation get screwed. Real world is not a target dummy. Templar reaches a pretty high dps in a shorter timespan. I think that's one of the strengths.

In PvP I switch to 1 hand and shield. And have no problem surviving or killing. Even with light armor, and no impen gear, (And I almost never PvP so I'm not very good at it)

I can't complain at all. I think it's a very versatile class.

For end game raiding they are not that ok atm...

AbysmalGhul

Of course they do. You have noticed that the word Templar has the word "Temp" in it? No matter where I have worked over the years, "Temp" workers are treated differently no matter how good they are. They are treated as second class citizens and the Templar class isn't treated any differently. We get no benefits, no perks, no company insurance, and no respect.....


We are the Rodney Dangerfields of ESO

We don't need buffs or reworks, we need a name change to gain respect

Permplars: Is Latin for permanent, trust worthy, and benefit holding employee...

Regplars: Is Spanish for regular, trust worthy, and benefit holding employee...


Listen up fellow "Lars" repeat after me

We're good enough

We're smart enough

and doggone it

People respect us!

Qbiken

amir412 wrote: »

Gigasax wrote: »

Sooo... Executes are fixed now, except Radiant Destruction (and Morphs).
Same problem with Puncturing Sweeps with its %-amplifier.

If these two abilities would be fixed/get the "execute-fix" the templar dd´s would be fine, but atm they are pretty much at the end of the dps ranking (maybe with warden, but who cares about wardens? :P )

Edit.: Maybe we get a statement from @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @Wrobel

Templars are freaking beasts in pvp this patch and pre,
Adding dmg to them will just place it at the top class in pvp... need to fix pve issues individualy.

It´s not about "adding damage", it´s about fixing something that´s not working. 2 different things

Anlace

tunepunk wrote: »

What's wrong with templar? I think magplar has some of the most interesting skills in game. At least in the Aedric spear line.

Blazing Spear - A huge ground aoe that is front heavy, so deals most damage on impact, unlike most other ground AOE.
Explosive Charge - Awesome AOE charge, that interrupts.
Puncturing Sweep - Like rapid strikes, but with some AOE damage, that also heals you.
Burning light - A passive that hits pretty hard and pretty often with your spear abilites.
Piercing spear - A passive that makes you crit harder, so make sure to invest in high crit chance.

I'm getting pretty good DPS, as DW magplar. My favorite character at the moment.

PvE overland it's completely overkill. Killing giants, trolls, storm atronachs etc in about 3-4 seconds. (Usually i get around 25-30k dps on a single bar, without any buffs like major sorcery) Groups of enemies in public dungeons go down in about 1-2 seconds. Blazing spear > Charge > Sweep > dead.

In vet dungeon pugs i'm usually around 50-60% group damage even with sorcs in the group... Yes sorcs maybe better at building up a higher overall DPS when they have their rotation going, but I feel Templar is more explosive, doing most of their damage quickly. Front heavy skills, and charge, you will often kill stuff faster than sorcs have time to build up DPS. Well that's just my experience. Playing a sorc your rotations often get interrupted by mechanics, and it can take time to build up momentum again if your rotation get screwed. Real world is not a target dummy. Templar reaches a pretty high dps in a shorter timespan. I think that's one of the strengths.

In PvP I switch to 1 hand and shield. And have no problem surviving or killing. Even with light armor, and no impen gear, (And I almost never PvP so I'm not very good at it)

I can't complain at all. I think it's a very versatile class.

What's wrong is they've broken our execute and it needs to be fixed. It's not a minor bug.

Also what's wrong since you ask is our class shield scales off of health instead of mag/stam and is useless to nearly everyone at this point. What's wrong is there are now two abilities in our healing line that are crap, and one of them has our passive regen tied to it. What's wrong is my gap closer is unreliable and slow as hell and has been forever, the ultimate in the aedric spear line is ridiculously weak, and... yeah, it's a long list actually.

All of this broken over time or relics from the way the game hasn't been for YEARS now, and they don't fix these things because meh, it's just templars amirite? And we're still doing damage so what's the problem? Roll a sorc if you want your class to work.

After a while it can make people just a little cranky.

ETA: But seriously if they can just fix the newest thing they broke and NOT nerf our heals again, I'll go back to never mentioning how screwed up all those other things are. I need my execute to be effective tyvm.

Qbiken

As far as I know Radiant Glory scales correctly (can be wrong, read it on the forums), but not Radiant Oppression. ZOS needs to priotize this, hopefully we get a fix with the maintance next week (if lucky)

Animal_Mother

tunepunk wrote: »

What's wrong with templar? I think magplar has some of the most interesting skills in game. At least in the Aedric spear line.

Blazing Spear - A huge ground aoe that is front heavy, so deals most damage on impact, unlike most other ground AOE.

In PvP I switch to 1 hand and shield. And have no problem surviving or killing. Even with light armor, and no impen gear, (And I almost never PvP so I'm not very good at it)

I can't complain at all. I think it's a very versatile class.

I would consider Luminous Shards' CC component almost critical for PVP. It can't be reflected back at us (if targeted at the ground), doesn't knock an opponent out of "our house" and doesn't force us out of "our house".

It's loss is almost as big as losing Blinding Flashes or the neutering of Blazing Shield, for our basic self-protection.

To answer the basic question of what's wrong with Templar...

We are basically a class without much vision. I believe that when the game first came out we were expected to be primarily healers or tanks. Our DD role only came out of the devs nerfing our ability to tank and heal to bring other classes into parity with us (or to promote DKs for tanking). And it still took a year of campaigning to get the role of DD.

Our original role does seem to fit with the whole "protect our house" meta, forced upon us. But our toolset has eroded over time to fulfill it. And broken skills don't help.

Gigasax

I hope we get an answer, i dont want to retire my main and have to play a Sorc or Stamclass like everyone else does by now...

@ZOS_GinaBruno, @ZOS_JessicaFolsom , @Wrobel (maybe it helps to tag them once more^^)

Inarre

Animal_Mother wrote: »

I still trying to understand why ZOS took away our shard cc.

Because if our resource giving tool had a stun everyone would say templars are the better healers.

Oh wait...

danno8

Always seems to find Templars.