Farming new motifs...

LadyNalcarya

So now that the patch was released, my worst concerns were confimed... All killable npcs are dead or <Empty>, and theres a few players in every big house, looting everything.
I mean... It wouldnt be a bad idea imo if all this stuff would be instanced, but the latest motif farms are only pitting players against each other and encourage toxicity. Stuff like Trinimac motif or Abahs Watch pages were pretty rare back in the days, but everyone could farm them and everyone had equal chances, regardless of their preferred play time and build (stamina khajiits have easier time pickpocketing, for example).
Npcs and chests are the same for everyone, so only a limited number of players can farm them efficiently. Also that puts players who can only play during peak hours at disadvantage.

@ZOS_GinaBruno

VinyParsley2016

I dont get your point? Nerf or Buff?

LadyNalcarya

VinyParsley2016 wrote: »

I dont get your point? Nerf or Buff?

You probably misclicked, this isnt a new "nerf X" thread.

casparian

VinyParsley2016 wrote: »

I dont get your point? Nerf or Buff?

She's clearly saying nerf Khajiit.

LadyNalcarya

casparian wrote: »

VinyParsley2016 wrote: »

I dont get your point? Nerf or Buff?

She's clearly saying nerf Khajiit.

She doesnt, shes a khajiit thief and not a masochist.

Rajajshka

They should add more places to steal from & npcs... would help with everything being dead or looted

Faulgor

It's even worse, the stuff feels rarer than Buoyant Armiger. Couldn't even find a style item so far.

Tyrobag

They should make the motifs drop from bosses, like they should have from the beginning. Also, you should get a guaranteed motif drop of the relevant house for killing the Great House fight event spawns :P

LadyNalcarya

Dreadhsif1978 wrote: »

They should add more places to steal from & npcs... would help with everything being dead or looted

Id prefer if they would make killable npcs, chests and lockboxes instanced (like normal backpacks and dressers). Maybe with lower respawn rate, to balance it.
But it also would be great if they would add interiors to all those locked buildings in Vvardenfell. Many of them are just decorations.

Cpt_Teemo

Faulgor wrote: »

It's even worse, the stuff feels rarer than Buoyant Armiger. Couldn't even find a style item so far.

No where even close to the crack of the rarity of BA, BA is the ultra rare people been finding the new ones left and right

Enemy-of-Coldharbour

That's the biggest problem with Morrowind; a serious lack of NPCs to loot from. But I suppose it will die down soon enough.

Taleof2Cities

ZOS was warned about this over a month ago ... but well ...

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/358676/new-house-motifs-shouldnt-drop-exclusively-from-thieving-how-to-incentisize-thieving-in-morrowind/p1

Drops should definitely NOT be on bosses though ... it encourages boss camping which is still an issue today in Gold Coast and Hew's Bane.

LadyNalcarya

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Drops should definitely NOT be on bosses though ... it encourages boss camping which is still an issue today in Gold Coast and Hew's Bane.

Or they could just remove "only top 12 dds get loot" requirement.

Taleof2Cities

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Drops should definitely NOT be on bosses though ... it encourages boss camping which is still an issue today in Gold Coast and Hew's Bane.

Or they could just remove "only top 12 dds get loot" requirement.

That doesn't fix boss camping does it?

LadyNalcarya

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Drops should definitely NOT be on bosses though ... it encourages boss camping which is still an issue today in Gold Coast and Hew's Bane.

Or they could just remove "only top 12 dds get loot" requirement.

That doesn't fix boss camping does it?

It doesnt, but on the other hand, boss motifs drop in price very quickly and are easy to obtain.
That being said, I prefer Trinimac/Malacath approach.

Taleof2Cities

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Drops should definitely NOT be on bosses though ... it encourages boss camping which is still an issue today in Gold Coast and Hew's Bane.

Or they could just remove "only top 12 dds get loot" requirement.

That doesn't fix boss camping does it?

It doesnt, but on the other hand, boss motifs drop in price very quickly and are easy to obtain.
That being said, I prefer Trinimac/Malacath approach.

I hope you're not inferring that my stance is solely because of the value of dropped motifs ... which it is not.

That said, I prefer the quest coffer related drops too ... it's fair for each player and isn't biased towards having high DPS.

SpearDusk

Do these new motifs drop only from killing and stealing? Dont they drop in the Morrowind daily containers?

I mean really, killing and stealing, lets champion these acts lol

LadyNalcarya

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Drops should definitely NOT be on bosses though ... it encourages boss camping which is still an issue today in Gold Coast and Hew's Bane.

Or they could just remove "only top 12 dds get loot" requirement.

That doesn't fix boss camping does it?

It doesnt, but on the other hand, boss motifs drop in price very quickly and are easy to obtain.
That being said, I prefer Trinimac/Malacath approach.

I hope you're not inferring that my stance is solely because of the value of dropped motifs ... which it is not.

That said, I prefer the quest coffer related drops too ... it's fair for each player and isn't biased towards having high DPS.

No, of course not. But I mean its still kinda better than the situation with Buoyant motif which is absolutely out of reach of average player that cant spend hours on farming chests at morning or ton of gold to buy them for outrageous prices.

Marabornwingrion

Motifs dropping only from thieving is VERY bad design, it's sad that they ignored all our feedback tha we gave them about this, now we need to watch streets full of dead NPCs, also not everyone wants to play as a thief...

What new players will think about this, seeing dead bodies everywhere and players hiding in every corner waiting for NPCs to respawn just to kill them again?

LadyNalcarya

Astrid_V wrote: »

Motifs dropping only from thieving is VERY bad design, it's sad that they ignored all our feedback tha we gave them about this, now we need to watch streets full of dead NPCs, also not everyone wants to play as a thief...

What new players will think about this, seeing dead bodies everywhere and players hiding in every corner waiting for NPCs to respawn just to kill them again?

Astrid_V wrote: »

Motifs dropping only from thieving is VERY bad design, it's sad that they ignored all our feedback tha we gave them about this, now we need to watch streets full of dead NPCs, also not everyone wants to play as a thief...

What new players will think about this, seeing dead bodies everywhere and players hiding in every corner waiting for NPCs to respawn just to kill them again?

Thats a very good point, since Vvardenfell is a starting zone for those who bought Morrowind edition. And dead cities arent very immersive.
I also agree that not everyone wants to be a thief... Morrowind quests already involve a lot of "illegal" activities, after all.

Faulgor

Faulgor wrote: »

It's even worse, the stuff feels rarer than Buoyant Armiger. Couldn't even find a style item so far.

Wow, okay. So I finally found one of the Telvanni style items.
Or rather, one of the pieces you need 10 of to create one style item. They went out of their way to make the whole affair that tedious and infuriating, which is especially pointless because you can get the style items from deconstructing set gear that drops all over the zone.

This is bloody insane.

Remag_Div

Faulgor wrote: »

Faulgor wrote: »

It's even worse, the stuff feels rarer than Buoyant Armiger. Couldn't even find a style item so far.

Wow, okay. So I finally found one of the Telvanni style items.
Or rather, one of the pieces you need 10 of to create one style item. They went out of their way to make the whole affair that tedious and infuriating, which is especially pointless because you can get the style items from deconstructing set gear that drops all over the zone.

This is bloody insane.

Wait, so pickpocketing only grants you pages of a motif piece similar to glass motif pages from writs? Now that's a joke if true. Also, you can get these motifs by deconstructing Morrowind gear sets? Was that even in the patch notes?

Khipu

If dead bodies are all over the street people aren't thieving and killing correctly and will probably never get a drop. Such a waste, really, and we all will suffer for this incompetence....

LadyNalcarya

@Remag_Div wrote: »

Faulgor wrote: »

Faulgor wrote: »

It's even worse, the stuff feels rarer than Buoyant Armiger. Couldn't even find a style item so far.

Wow, okay. So I finally found one of the Telvanni style items.
Or rather, one of the pieces you need 10 of to create one style item. They went out of their way to make the whole affair that tedious and infuriating, which is especially pointless because you can get the style items from deconstructing set gear that drops all over the zone.

This is bloody insane.

Wait, so pickpocketing only grants you pages of a motif piece similar to glass motif pages from writs? Now that's a joke if true. Also, you can get these motifs by deconstructing Morrowind gear sets? Was that even in the patch notes?

Yes, just pages and the drop rate is quite low. Probably a full book technically exists, but its as rare as gold books of other motifs.
As for deconning, you only have a chance to get a style material this way. Not the motif itself.

Remag_Div

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

@Remag_Div wrote: »

Faulgor wrote: »

Faulgor wrote: »

It's even worse, the stuff feels rarer than Buoyant Armiger. Couldn't even find a style item so far.

Wow, okay. So I finally found one of the Telvanni style items.
Or rather, one of the pieces you need 10 of to create one style item. They went out of their way to make the whole affair that tedious and infuriating, which is especially pointless because you can get the style items from deconstructing set gear that drops all over the zone.

This is bloody insane.

Wait, so pickpocketing only grants you pages of a motif piece similar to glass motif pages from writs? Now that's a joke if true. Also, you can get these motifs by deconstructing Morrowind gear sets? Was that even in the patch notes?

Yes, just pages and the drop rate is quite low. Probably a full book technically exists, but its as rare as gold books of other motifs.
As for deconning, you only have a chance to get a style material this way. Not the motif itself.

Oh okay, that makes more sense.

Geez, these motifs are going to take awhile to get then. They will also be super expensive in guild stores which means farming these motifs will be a priority for a lot of people the first few weeks which means prepare for tons of dead NPC's everywhere you go. lol

This wasn't really thought out well from ZOS, was it?

LadyNalcarya

Remag_Div wrote: »

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

@Remag_Div wrote: »

Faulgor wrote: »

Faulgor wrote: »

It's even worse, the stuff feels rarer than Buoyant Armiger. Couldn't even find a style item so far.

Wow, okay. So I finally found one of the Telvanni style items.
Or rather, one of the pieces you need 10 of to create one style item. They went out of their way to make the whole affair that tedious and infuriating, which is especially pointless because you can get the style items from deconstructing set gear that drops all over the zone.

This is bloody insane.

Wait, so pickpocketing only grants you pages of a motif piece similar to glass motif pages from writs? Now that's a joke if true. Also, you can get these motifs by deconstructing Morrowind gear sets? Was that even in the patch notes?

Yes, just pages and the drop rate is quite low. Probably a full book technically exists, but its as rare as gold books of other motifs.
As for deconning, you only have a chance to get a style material this way. Not the motif itself.

Oh okay, that makes more sense.

Geez, these motifs are going to take awhile to get then. They will also be super expensive in guild stores which means farming these motifs will be a priority for a lot of people the first few weeks which means prepare for tons of dead NPC's everywhere you go. lol

This wasn't really thought out well from ZOS, was it?

It was pointed out on pts, but they still decided to keep it this way.

Faulgor

Remag_Div wrote: »

Faulgor wrote: »

Faulgor wrote: »

It's even worse, the stuff feels rarer than Buoyant Armiger. Couldn't even find a style item so far.

Wow, okay. So I finally found one of the Telvanni style items.
Or rather, one of the pieces you need 10 of to create one style item. They went out of their way to make the whole affair that tedious and infuriating, which is especially pointless because you can get the style items from deconstructing set gear that drops all over the zone.

This is bloody insane.

Wait, so pickpocketing only grants you pages of a motif piece similar to glass motif pages from writs? Now that's a joke if true. Also, you can get these motifs by deconstructing Morrowind gear sets? Was that even in the patch notes?

No, I was talking about the style materials needed for crafting. In the case of Telvanni style, you need to find/pickpocket/steal 10 Pliant Ferrofungus to refine into 1 Wrought Ferrofungus, which you can then use to craft Telvanni style.
As if the drop rate wasn't low enough already. And then you have to hope you get the one you need between Hlaalu, Redoran and Telvanni.

Remag_Div

Honestly, I don't mind motif's being rare. Certain styles should be rare and take some effort and time to obtain. However, having them tied to pickpocketing and thieving is not the greatest idea ZOS has had. Maybe if it was tied to an instanced zone or something.

WaltherCarraway

Motifs parts are pretty rare. Taking example of those 3 come with Morrowind; most of them still tagging 100k or above in guild stores.

Well, 3 come with HotR are gonna be pain in the arse to grab... same grinding stuff going again...

EDIT: word

LadyNalcarya

Faulgor wrote: »

Remag_Div wrote: »

Faulgor wrote: »

Faulgor wrote: »

It's even worse, the stuff feels rarer than Buoyant Armiger. Couldn't even find a style item so far.

Wow, okay. So I finally found one of the Telvanni style items.
Or rather, one of the pieces you need 10 of to create one style item. They went out of their way to make the whole affair that tedious and infuriating, which is especially pointless because you can get the style items from deconstructing set gear that drops all over the zone.

This is bloody insane.

Wait, so pickpocketing only grants you pages of a motif piece similar to glass motif pages from writs? Now that's a joke if true. Also, you can get these motifs by deconstructing Morrowind gear sets? Was that even in the patch notes?

No, I was talking about the style materials needed for crafting. In the case of Telvanni style, you need to find/pickpocket/steal 10 Pliant Ferrofungus to refine into 1 Wrought Ferrofungus, which you can then use to craft Telvanni style.
As if the drop rate wasn't low enough already. And then you have to hope you get the one you need between Hlaalu, Redoran and Telvanni.

Oh, so apparently you cant even find a full style mat? Now thats just a joke. A bad one at that.
I have a feeling those Morrowind motifs might pop up in the next season of crown crates of something.

angelncelestine

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

Faulgor wrote: »

Remag_Div wrote: »

Faulgor wrote: »

Faulgor wrote: »

It's even worse, the stuff feels rarer than Buoyant Armiger. Couldn't even find a style item so far.

Wow, okay. So I finally found one of the Telvanni style items.
Or rather, one of the pieces you need 10 of to create one style item. They went out of their way to make the whole affair that tedious and infuriating, which is especially pointless because you can get the style items from deconstructing set gear that drops all over the zone.

This is bloody insane.

Wait, so pickpocketing only grants you pages of a motif piece similar to glass motif pages from writs? Now that's a joke if true. Also, you can get these motifs by deconstructing Morrowind gear sets? Was that even in the patch notes?

No, I was talking about the style materials needed for crafting. In the case of Telvanni style, you need to find/pickpocket/steal 10 Pliant Ferrofungus to refine into 1 Wrought Ferrofungus, which you can then use to craft Telvanni style.
As if the drop rate wasn't low enough already. And then you have to hope you get the one you need between Hlaalu, Redoran and Telvanni.

Oh, so apparently you cant even find a full style mat? Now thats just a joke. A bad one at that.
I have a feeling those Morrowind motifs might pop up in the next season of crown crates of something.

I agree you will most likely find the motifs in the crown store for an outrageous amount or crates. Also pretty clever of them to even make the style traits ridiculous to get. Better stock up on your crown mimic stones ;-)