Unintended nerf to Hybrids in PvP (Thief)

RouDeR

Hello , as a Hybrid sorc in heavy armor most of my burst was related to my crit chance ..
And cuz of the 1% PvE players who are targeting to be the best and top dps and finding ways to overperform in pve you ZOS nerfed heavy armor in pvp by lowering our crit chance by 4 % . Hybrids are most affected , i suggest changing the Warrior to give both spell and wpd , and the other mundus that provides spell dmg to smting else like reduce cost of roll dodge and break free.

SodanTok

This was bigger nerf to everyone else than hybrids But I would not mind putting both mundus into one.

VinyParsley2016

ZOS, Hybrid sorc is overpowered in PVP now. Plz nerf Hybrid sorc in next patch. Plz, Plz

Coilbox

I think heavy armor was actually nerfed thinking more about PVP than PVE mate... In any case, every armor got it's nerf hit, and most of the noise and rant always came from the PVP crowd.
Also... the 1% PVE top DPS you talk about doesnt wear any heavy armor at all, maybe only one piece for the undaunted passive...?

RouDeR

Coilbox wrote: »

I think heavy armor was actually nerfed thinking more about PVP than PVE mate... In any case, every armor got it's nerf hit, and most of the noise and rant always came from the PVP crowd.
Also... the 1% PVE top DPS you talk about doesnt wear any heavy armor at all, maybe only one piece for the undaunted passive...?

They nerfed the Thief mundus cuz of PVE but it affects greatly the heavy users in pvp cuz we already lack of crit chance

IcyDeadPeople

RouDeR wrote: »

Hello , as a Hybrid sorc in heavy armor most of my burst was related to my crit chance ..
And cuz of the 1% PvE players who are targeting to be the best and top dps and finding ways to overperform in pve you ZOS nerfed heavy armor in pvp by lowering our crit chance by 4 % . Hybrids are most affected , i suggest changing the Warrior to give both spell and wpd , and the other mundus that provides spell dmg to smting else like reduce cost of roll dodge and break free.

Why not use Pelinal's and stack either weapon or spell damage?

RouDeR

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

RouDeR wrote: »

Hello , as a Hybrid sorc in heavy armor most of my burst was related to my crit chance ..
And cuz of the 1% PvE players who are targeting to be the best and top dps and finding ways to overperform in pve you ZOS nerfed heavy armor in pvp by lowering our crit chance by 4 % . Hybrids are most affected , i suggest changing the Warrior to give both spell and wpd , and the other mundus that provides spell dmg to smting else like reduce cost of roll dodge and break free.

Why not use Pelinal's and stack either weapon or spell damage?

Pelinals is a waste on my playstyle , cuz i use 3x extend potion duration enchant to get 30 second immovable duration . Impregnable is the perfect hybrid set in my opinion and i love to combine it with elegance for my Werewolf or desert rose + Kena.

bebynnag

actually they nerfed crit as a whole because crit was outperforming on pts (and not just for the top 1%)

the aim of this patch is to have everything more balanced

which is why they also nerfed penetration

people wanted a token system for dropped gear - instead zos aims to balance the traits

Beardimus

Crit set bonuses are getting a buff, so just switch up the set.

And with Sharp less dominant you can run precise......

max_only

First thread where I've seen the "Pve balance is ruining PvP" argument.

Bakkagami

To answer your question, Armor crit bonuses got buffed significantly, meaning a nerf to thief was to balance that out a bit. Thief change wasn't directly meant as a nerf yo crit but rather just a counter balance to the armor change.

Slimecraw got a crit modifier as well making it a very good option for u to increase your crit as well as overall damage now, the new change to lover (I think that's the one) gives heavy armor penetration options that they severely lacked and all sets that gave stat bonuses got buffed (great for hybrids as tristat bonii are prevalent in heavy sets.) Think hybrids will be fine.

PlagueSD

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Survivability                                           DPS

It's a slider. You want to wear heavy armor? Fine. You'll need to give up some DPS.

Working as intended.

Chrlynsch

I've always thought that crit... should just be crit.. no weapon or spell diversified

scipionumatia

Coilbox wrote: »

I think heavy armor was actually nerfed thinking more about PVP than PVE mate... In any case, every armor got it's nerf hit, and most of the noise and rant always came from the PVP crowd.
Also... the 1% PVE top DPS you talk about doesnt wear any heavy armor at all, maybe only one piece for the undaunted passive...?

@Coilbox I re read the patch notes to be sure I wasn't wasting your time but I didn't see any nerfs to heavy armor in HotR. Are you talking about the universal armor nerfs from morrowind?

RouDeR

Beardimus wrote: »

Crit set bonuses are getting a buff, so just switch up the set.

And with Sharp less dominant you can run precise......

If you use crit sets in pvp than u r truly nobo . L2p

Juhasow

Looks like Lover mundus change was unintended buff to hybrid builds then

Bladerunner1

Juhasow wrote: »

Looks like Lover mundus change was unintended buff to hybrid builds then

Yeah maybe go with the lover mundus now for hybrid since it's a lot better than the new crit mundus? They nerfed the crit mundus twice over because it worked too well with warhorn I guess, it was already weaker than the new lover mundus in small group and solo play, now it's a whole lot weaker.

Is anyone planning to slot Thief now? Or even shadow?

Vizier

Heavy Armor was way over-performing in PvP. Kind of hard to feel sorry for Plate wearing Sorcs...just saying.

Coilbox

scipionumatia wrote: »

Coilbox wrote: »

I think heavy armor was actually nerfed thinking more about PVP than PVE mate... In any case, every armor got it's nerf hit, and most of the noise and rant always came from the PVP crowd.
Also... the 1% PVE top DPS you talk about doesnt wear any heavy armor at all, maybe only one piece for the undaunted passive...?

@Coilbox I re read the patch notes to be sure I wasn't wasting your time but I didn't see any nerfs to heavy armor in HotR. Are you talking about the universal armor nerfs from morrowind?

Yeah, i meant in the morrowind patch... I think they didnt modify anything in armor passives for this new patch. In any case, i think i readed the OP wrong, he was talking about the thief mundus stone apparently, which yeah, has been touched in HoTR.

Chrlynsch

Bladerunner1 wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

Looks like Lover mundus change was unintended buff to hybrid builds then

Yeah maybe go with the lover mundus now for hybrid since it's a lot better than the new crit mundus? They nerfed the crit mundus twice over because it worked too well with warhorn I guess, it was already weaker than the new lover mundus in small group and solo play, now it's a whole lot weaker.

Is anyone planning to slot Thief now? Or even shadow?

Thief had both offensive and defensive capabilities for hybrid play. The Lover however much penetration it has will never fill this void