Precise Trait?

cbjr73

I did not see it listed at all in the patch notes. It is possible I just missed it.

Adjusted the values and bonuses of Weapon Traits in the following ways, with the listed values being for Two-Handed, gold-quality items:

Decisive: Increased the chance to generate one additional Ultimate to 40% from 34%.
Defending: Reduced the Spell and Physical Resistance granted to 2752 from 5160.
Infused: Increased the bonus value granted to the applied enchantment to 30% from 20%, and increased the cooldown reduction to the applied enchantment to 50% from 40%.
Nirnhoned: Increased the bonus to the weapon’s damage to 15% from 11%.
Powered: Increased the bonus to healing done to 9% from 7%.
Sharpened: Reduced the Spell and Physical Penetration granted to 2752 from 5160.
Charged, Intricate, Ornate, and Training remain unchanged.

Ulfgarde

Charged, Intricate, Ornate, and Training remain unchanged.

I think it might have been left out by mistake. They would have updated this text if it was absolutely intended.

EDIT: From the other thread:

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Tyrion87 wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Tyrion87 wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno
In the patch notes v3.1.5., in the section regarding the changes to weapon traits, there is no mention about precise (like it was in 3.1.0.: Precise: Increased the Critical Strike Chance granted to 9% from 7%.). So... have you undone this change and precise is not changed at all?

Correct - we ended up not changing Precise.

I asked because there is no precise mentioned in the sentence: Charged, Intricate, Ornate, and Training remain unchanged. Could you correct it please? @ZOS_GinaBruno

Oh, good call. Will edit that now, thanks!

DOUBLE EDIT:

Wow I read that wrong. They ended up not changing precise to 9%. It will still be 7%

Charged, Intricate, Ornate, Precise and Training remain unchanged.

So precise won't be as good as before. Still competent, but calculations will need to be redone.

Glamdring

@ZOS_GinaBruno nope Gina missed that one

Malmai

Ulfgarde wrote: »

Charged, Intricate, Ornate, and Training remain unchanged.

I think it might have been left out by mistake. They would have updated this text if it was absolutely intended.

EDIT: From the other thread:

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Tyrion87 wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Tyrion87 wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno
In the patch notes v3.1.5., in the section regarding the changes to weapon traits, there is no mention about precise (like it was in 3.1.0.: Precise: Increased the Critical Strike Chance granted to 9% from 7%.). So... have you undone this change and precise is not changed at all?

Correct - we ended up not changing Precise.

I asked because there is no precise mentioned in the sentence: Charged, Intricate, Ornate, and Training remain unchanged. Could you correct it please? @ZOS_GinaBruno

Oh, good call. Will edit that now, thanks!

No worries. Just a small error.

What about Prosperous ?

neverwalk

if you don't see any changes, then it remains the same.

Glamdring

neverwalk wrote: »

if you don't see any changes, then it remains the same.

No. from the patch notes:

"Charged, Intricate, Ornate, and Training remain unchanged."

Tyrion87

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/4421595#Comment_4421595

Ulfgarde

Glamdring wrote: »

neverwalk wrote: »

if you don't see any changes, then it remains the same.

No. from the patch notes:

"Charged, Intricate, Ornate, and Training remain unchanged."

Just got updated dude.

Look again, it's:

Charged, Intricate, Ornate, Precise and Training remain unchanged.

ZOS_GinaBruno

Yeah, we decided not to change Precise for this update, just to confirm.

Cpt_Teemo

Wait, so precise is still 7% and yet the Pts said it will go up 2%?

Ulfgarde

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

Wait, so precise is still 7% and yet the Pts said it will go up 2%?

Yes, precise is not changed between now and homestead. It's still going to be 7%.

Kinda a shame, considering how it was last minute. We'll have to see how it lines up against infused and sharpened.

ZOS_GinaBruno

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

Wait, so precise is still 7% and yet the Pts said it will go up 2%?

What's on the PTS isn't always what ends up in the final, live update. In this case, we decided against changing Precise.

Drakhaon

And what about shadow ? The mundus stone got a nerf ?

Cpt_Teemo

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

Wait, so precise is still 7% and yet the Pts said it will go up 2%?

What's on the PTS isn't always what ends up in the final, live update. In this case, we decided against changing Precise.

Dangit, now I really have to drop my precise weapons back down to like 1/2 of what they are now gah was hoping they would be alot better

AdicusDio

All those poor souls that were spending a ton on best in slot precise weapons just got the pointy end of a stick to the eye. Really lame to go back on something last minute like that. Like that extra 2% was really going to break the game. It was possible to get 90%+ before patch with crit chance as it was, so the logic here is lost on me, though it's harder for 2-handed to get near that as they don't have the 2 dagger bonuses.

Yamenstein

AdicusDio wrote: »

All those poor souls that were spending a ton on best in slot precise weapons just got the pointy end of a stick to the eye. Really lame to go back on something last minute like that. Like that extra 2% was really going to break the game. It was possible to get 90%+ before patch with crit chance as it was, so the logic here is lost on me, though it's harder for 2-handed to get near that as they don't have the 2 dagger bonuses.

It happens. Most people should be smart enough to understand that any changes to PTS aren't set in stone. Heck, it's not technically set in stone even after the patch goes live! It could always change further down the line.

KaotikPaladin

Precise not changed O_O
Thief nerfed. Sharpened (and spriggan) too. Seem a bad day for a nightblade (expecially in PVE). We'll see

Moloch1514

Maybe the devs can just tell me what they want me to run. Everything I try they nerf, so please tell me what setup I shoud use that meets your "vision" this quarter.

Dymence

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Any developer comments on why precise didn't get buffed in the end?

Even with buffs it would have been an optional trait to run, not the best due to infused becoming so strong.

And then it was decided: Nah, let's revert precise to it's useless live stat and leave infused untouched? What's the reasoning?

Ryan1704

Dymence wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Any developer comments on why precise didn't get buffed in the end?

Even with buffs it would have been an optional trait to run, not the best due to infused becoming so strong.

And then it was decided: Nah, let's revert precise to it's useless live stat and leave infused untouched? What's the reasoning?

Shhh dont tell them infused is strong it might get reverted back to its useless live state aswell

Bbsample197

Dymence wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Any developer comments on why precise didn't get buffed in the end?

Even with buffs it would have been an optional trait to run, not the best due to infused becoming so strong.

And then it was decided: Nah, let's revert precise to it's useless live stat and leave infused untouched? What's the reasoning?

this, is there any reasoning for it? and some others being nerfed like the shadow mundus?

DRXHarbinger

I'm so glad I sold so much precise stuff over the past few weeks, was indeed a good gold fest.

Truly unsure now on which way to go, Precise and Shadow was epic on PTS.

Age of infused + SD Enchant is upon us.

Gargath

Master Sword Infused, hope it's still affected .

di_rty

RIP Alcast's crit ***

DoonerSeraph

Moloch1514 wrote: »

Maybe the devs can just tell me what they want me to run. Everything I try they nerf, so please tell me what setup I shoud use that meets your "vision" this quarter.

Broom.

danno8

Blows my mind how people gear up for live when PTS is still developing.

Oh, and I wouldn't get too comfortable with Infused either. I give it 2 months before it is adjusted downward as well.

Kikke

So, this patch was a nerf stamina and buff magica patch; back to magica meta. thank you very much ZoS

CromulentForumID

AdicusDio wrote: »

All those poor souls that were spending a ton on best in slot precise weapons just got the pointy end of a stick to the eye. Really lame to go back on something last minute like that. Like that extra 2% was really going to break the game. It was possible to get 90%+ before patch with crit chance as it was, so the logic here is lost on me, though it's harder for 2-handed to get near that as they don't have the 2 dagger bonuses.

Doesn't it also follow that losing the 2% isn't going to be a big deal?

They still have those weapons they purchased.

Dymence

kikkehs wrote: »

So, this patch was a nerf stamina and buff magica patch; back to magica meta. thank you very much ZoS

What are you smoking

Brumme

this patch cost me 5k dps

i hate this patch soooooooo much

stop nerfing stamina builds all the time

theamazingx

Brumme wrote: »

this patch cost me 5k dps

i hate this patch soooooooo much

stop nerfing stamina builds all the time

I think this is only possible if you were pulling 5k dps before and uninstalled this morning.