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Necropotence getting nerfed?
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Banana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yep. You may go from 55k magicka to 54.5k. So its the end of the world if you listen to many sorcerers on here.7 -
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✭✭✭✭✭PTS patch notes. Go to the pts section of the forums.
Yes, it's true. Still provides more than 3k max magicka @ 5 pc.0 -
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✭https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/364762/pts-patch-notes-v3-1-4/p1
It's a pretty decent nerfSorcerna, proud beta sorc. RIP April 2014 to May 31 2016 DArk Brotherhood. Out of retirement for negates and encases. Sorcerna will be going back into retirement to be my main crafter Fall 2018. Because an 8 k shield is f ing useless. Died because of baddies on the forum. Too much qq too little pew pew. 16 AD 2 DC. 0 EP cause they bad, CP 2300 plus 18 level 50 toons. NA, PC, Grey Host#SORCLIVESMATTER actually they don’t or they wouldn’t keep getting nerfed constantly.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Yep. You may go from 55k magicka to 54.5k. So its the end of the world if you listen to many sorcerers on here.
The concern is less that Necropotence has received a slight nerf, and more that other magicka sets have been buffed to the point where Necropotence is now potentially obsolete. The price of Mother's Sorrow has skyrocketed (in PS4 NA guild stores, at any rate) virtually overnight, as it's looking like Mother's Sorrow will now be the new must-have set for Magsorc.0 -
TheStealthDude✭✭✭✭The 5 piece bonus was nerfed a bit, but they are buffing +stat 1-4 set bonuses in general, thus canceling out a lot of (but not all) the nerf to Necropotence.Edited by TheStealthDude on August 9, 2017 3:14PM0 -
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✭✭PlautisCarvain wrote: »
He is jolking, it actually lost 850 magicka,
2,3 and 4 pieces of item sets max magicka and crit is buff for all sets.
So he is including this magicka buff and then comparing with current necro stats!Edited by Lord_Eomer on August 9, 2017 4:23PM0 -
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✭Check out my Magicka Set Comparison thread. You can see there how significant the nerf to Necropotence is in relation to other dps sets.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/365185/magicka-set-bonus-comparison-math#latest1 -
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its 460 loss, as the 2,3 and 4 parts get buffed.Lord_Dexter wrote: »PlautisCarvain wrote: »
He is jolking, it actually lost 850 magicka,
2,3 and 4 pieces of item sets max magicka and crit is buff for all sets.
So he is including this magicka buff and then comparing with current necro stats!
Yes most 2,3,4 bonuses get buffed so plain buff sets like julianos and mother sorrow get buffed.
This indicates how close sets are to each others.
Edited by zaria on August 9, 2017 4:40PMGrinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.0 -
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its 460 loss, as the 2,3 and 4 parts get buffed.Lord_Dexter wrote: »PlautisCarvain wrote: »
He is jolking, it actually lost 850 magicka,
2,3 and 4 pieces of item sets max magicka and crit is buff for all sets.
So he is including this magicka buff and then comparing with current necro stats!
Yes most 2,3,4 bonuses get buffed so plain buff sets like julianos and mother sorrow get buffed.
This indicates how close sets are to each others.
Yeah, it's ~450 compared to Live. Which is what matters, in the context of "nerfs". It's a nerf. Of not even 500 magicka.
It was overperforming compared to other sets, and now it's not overperforming. Unless you'd like to go back to "everyone runs BSW" meta.0 -
Saturn✭✭✭✭✭
✭PlautisCarvain wrote: »Is it true? My friend said necropotence will be nerfed, where can I see it?
It is in the PTS patch notes:
Source.Necropotence: Reduced the Max Magicka increase granted by this Item Set to 3150 from 4000.0 -
Vaoh✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭There is a reduction in the 5-piece bonus from Necropotence by 850 Magicka.
It is going from 4000 Magicka down to 3150 Magicka.
The 2/3/4-piece bonuses of Max Magicka were buffed, so although it is still a net loss in Magicka from last patch, it isn't as large.
However, other sets this patch were significantly buffed, whereas Necropotence recieved a nerf. If you are trying to deal damage on a Magicka Sorcerer, you are no longer going to use this set - instead use 5x Mother's Sorrow/5x Julianos, and then either 1x Ilambris with Julianos staves or a vMA staff with a non-set staff. This is the way to go for next patch as far as we can tell right now.
Necropotence is out. This serves though as a prime example of a PvP-based nerf hurting PvE, yet it won't stop even the tiniest amount of Mag Sorc complaints in PvP. Oh well
Edited by Vaoh on August 9, 2017 9:44PM3 -
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✭Yep. You may go from 55k magicka to 54.5k. So its the end of the world if you listen to many sorcerers on here.
You reveal your lack of understanding for the game.
The nerf when phrased the way you put it does in fact sound small but the issue also lies with the fact that other sets are receiving a buff.
This means necro is no longer the BiS option for pet sorcs after the patch hits, which is why this nerf does have significance. This has been all over the boards.
Personally I will be moving over to Julianos (already have a full set ready).0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭PlautisCarvain wrote: »
It's a substantial nerf in PvE because Julianos amd Mother's Sorrow were both buffed which quite comfortably puts them ahead of necro next patch.
It will still be good in PvP.1 -
dpencil1✭✭✭✭✭
✭A couple quick notes from my other thread here.
The actual decrease in total magicka between Live and the nerfed PTS version is 463. That does not seem like much in itself, but magicka set bonuses are effected by all % scaling amps like High elf passive (10%), Mage's Guild skills slotted (2% each), Undaunted 5-1-1 (6%), Inner Light (5%), Bound Aegis (8%). That's 31% right there, that turns the deficit into 602 lost from live, while many other sets receive significant buffs.
Meanwhile, the nerf only reduces shields by about 650 points compared to what it would have been if left un-nerfed. It''s a major hit to PvE while doing hardly anything for PvP.Edited by dpencil1 on August 9, 2017 10:32PM2 -
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I have it in gold and don't complain, pet sorc are top dps even if this one messes up rotations all the timerhapsodious wrote: »
its 460 loss, as the 2,3 and 4 parts get buffed.Lord_Dexter wrote: »PlautisCarvain wrote: »
He is jolking, it actually lost 850 magicka,
2,3 and 4 pieces of item sets max magicka and crit is buff for all sets.
So he is including this magicka buff and then comparing with current necro stats!
Yes most 2,3,4 bonuses get buffed so plain buff sets like julianos and mother sorrow get buffed.
This indicates how close sets are to each others.
Yeah, it's ~450 compared to Live. Which is what matters, in the context of "nerfs". It's a nerf. Of not even 500 magicka.
It was overperforming compared to other sets, and now it's not overperforming. Unless you'd like to go back to "everyone runs BSW" meta.
Other set on sorc is julianos.
And no an buff of other sets is not an nerf of you.
No I don't like it, an Khajiit buff would be better.
But if the screaming is about 460 magic nerf on an max magic set, I say the sets are scary well balanced.
Overall like the feel of the changes, traits get balanced, proc set get an 1 sec delay who is an hard nerf in small scale pvp there people has complained but irrelevant elsewhere.
Wonder if the old balance team wiped to many times on Wayrest sewer first trash and got replaced.
Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭A couple quick notes from my other thread here.
The actual decrease in total magicka between Live and the nerfed PTS version is 463. That does not seem like much in itself, but magicka set bonuses are effected by all % scaling amps like High elf passive (10%), Mage's Guild skills slotted (2% each), Undaunted 5-1-1 (6%), Inner Light (5%), Bound Aegis (8%). That's 31% right there, that turns the deficit into 602 lost from live, while many other sets receive significant buffs.
Meanwhile, the nerf only reduces shields by about 650 points compared to what it would have been if left un-nerfed. It''s a major hit to PvE while doing hardly anything for PvP.
^^^^ and it's that easy to understand.
All this change did was remove an option in PvE while changing nothing in PvP.1 -
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✭✭✭PlautisCarvain wrote: »
Yep, it takes very little to make sorcs cry apparently. Next thing you know they'll change the hue of the scamp or something.0 -
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✭Strider_Roshin wrote: »PlautisCarvain wrote: »
Yep, it takes very little to make sorcs cry apparently. Next thing you know they'll change the hue of the scamp or something.
As a sorc we're not crying at all, we are making the point that it is no longer BiS, and therefore not worth running.3 -
zeus1gdsm✭✭Yep. You may go from 55k magicka to 54.5k. So its the end of the world if you listen to many sorcerers on here.
The concern is less that Necropotence has received a slight nerf, and more that other magicka sets have been buffed to the point where Necropotence is now potentially obsolete. The price of Mother's Sorrow has skyrocketed (in PS4 NA guild stores, at any rate) virtually overnight, as it's looking like Mother's Sorrow will now be the new must-have set for Magsorc.
Aha... I went to 70% of traders the other day looking for mothers. Not a single piece to be found. When it used to be plentiful.
Must be after alcast dropped his video peeps bought it all up.0 -
Vaoh✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yep. You may go from 55k magicka to 54.5k. So its the end of the world if you listen to many sorcerers on here.
The concern is less that Necropotence has received a slight nerf, and more that other magicka sets have been buffed to the point where Necropotence is now potentially obsolete. The price of Mother's Sorrow has skyrocketed (in PS4 NA guild stores, at any rate) virtually overnight, as it's looking like Mother's Sorrow will now be the new must-have set for Magsorc.
Aha... I went to 70% of traders the other day looking for mothers. Not a single piece to be found. When it used to be plentiful.
Must be after alcast dropped his video peeps bought it all up.
Necropotence is dropping fast in price and is no longer really being bought, while Mother's Sorrow jewelry is now being priced at 50K-100K on PS4 NA on guild traders, and individual armor pieces around 30K+. It's gross.0 -
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the cut was in the 5pc by 850 mag
all sets are getting buffs to thing slike max mag crit dam etc in the 2-3-4pc so while you can look at those as offsetting this cut in the 5pc, simple fact is the baseline changed for many and then necro got a cut.
Given that, i count the cut as the full 5pc value drop of 850 from a comparative standpoint.
However, the decision over whether or not it is worth it is more complicated.
for things like target dummy DPS, sure it is not BiS... after all dont need shield there at all. hey you can not even spend any points on defenses and be fine there.
For well organized g/t dps role only, again, its not BiS (if it ever was) because again there things like shields have little value and keeping yourself alive are the responsibility of the healer and the tank.
For PVP where shields and pet strength etc matter more, the slightly lower DPS vs maxmag and shields better may be a more reasonable trade-off.
For solo PVE play where again things like pet strength and shield strength and such matter, again that trade-off is more something you may prefer.
Of course, from a pure damage g/t perspective, if your rotation relied on a lot of light and heavy attacks you were likely even before this change better off with damage/crit sets in many cases.
All in all there are lotsa folks who view it from one singular content-type perspective and have the "not best is not worth anything" mindset.
Whether or not thats you, only you know.
Edited by STEVIL on August 12, 2017 11:03PMProudly skooma free while talks-when-drunk is in mandatory public housing.
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"The good way I used to get good kills *with good skill* was good but the way others kill me now is bad."0 -
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✭✭✭Strider_Roshin wrote: »PlautisCarvain wrote: »
Yep, it takes very little to make sorcs cry apparently. Next thing you know they'll change the hue of the scamp or something.
As a sorc we're not crying at all, we are making the point that it is no longer BiS, and therefore not worth running.
Why would it not be BiS for a pet sorc? Pet damage scale off magicka, this set gives the most magicka in the game. There's no way it can't be BiS for pet sorcs. With that said, if you're not a pet sorc there are stronger sets. That's not due to the nerf however, but it is due to the massive buff crit received.0 -
PlautisCarvain✭✭✭✭Strider_Roshin wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »PlautisCarvain wrote: »
Yep, it takes very little to make sorcs cry apparently. Next thing you know they'll change the hue of the scamp or something.
As a sorc we're not crying at all, we are making the point that it is no longer BiS, and therefore not worth running.
Why would it not be BiS for a pet sorc? Pet damage scale off magicka, this set gives the most magicka in the game. There's no way it can't be BiS for pet sorcs. With that said, if you're not a pet sorc there are stronger sets. That's not due to the nerf however, but it is due to the massive buff crit received.
It will still be BiS for pet sorc for sure!0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Strider_Roshin wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »PlautisCarvain wrote: »
Yep, it takes very little to make sorcs cry apparently. Next thing you know they'll change the hue of the scamp or something.
As a sorc we're not crying at all, we are making the point that it is no longer BiS, and therefore not worth running.
Why would it not be BiS for a pet sorc? Pet damage scale off magicka, this set gives the most magicka in the game. There's no way it can't be BiS for pet sorcs. With that said, if you're not a pet sorc there are stronger sets. That's not due to the nerf however, but it is due to the massive buff crit received.
Pet damage also scales off crit though. And of course, all your other abilities and your light attacks/heavy attacks also benefit from it. I can't see necro pulling more DPS than a crit build, even on pet sorcs.Edited by MLGProPlayer on August 12, 2017 11:48PM0 -
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✭Strider_Roshin wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »PlautisCarvain wrote: »
Yep, it takes very little to make sorcs cry apparently. Next thing you know they'll change the hue of the scamp or something.
As a sorc we're not crying at all, we are making the point that it is no longer BiS, and therefore not worth running.
Why would it not be BiS for a pet sorc? Pet damage scale off magicka, this set gives the most magicka in the game. There's no way it can't be BiS for pet sorcs. With that said, if you're not a pet sorc there are stronger sets. That's not due to the nerf however, but it is due to the massive buff crit received.
Because the difference between Julianos and Necropotence is already extremely minimal on live.
Yes, your pet scales purely on magicka, but your other abilities and weaves don't. If everything else gets buffed up it doesn't matter if the pet falls behind a little. It will still provide a lot of DPS. That's why it likely won't be BiS anymore.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Strider_Roshin wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »PlautisCarvain wrote: »
Yep, it takes very little to make sorcs cry apparently. Next thing you know they'll change the hue of the scamp or something.
As a sorc we're not crying at all, we are making the point that it is no longer BiS, and therefore not worth running.
Why would it not be BiS for a pet sorc? Pet damage scale off magicka, this set gives the most magicka in the game. There's no way it can't be BiS for pet sorcs. With that said, if you're not a pet sorc there are stronger sets. That's not due to the nerf however, but it is due to the massive buff crit received.
• Pet Damage scales off Maximum Magicka
• Light/Heavy Attacks scale off of Spell Damage
• Abilities scale off of both Maximum Magicka and Spell Damage, slightly leaning toward Spell Damage
Necropotence granted enough Max Magicka to the point that it outparsed Julianos, but it wasn't by much. It also included the downside of giving zero benefit if a pet isn't active at any point in time.
Next patch the net total Max Magicka of Necropotence decreases by a bit - very minor nerf. The total damage provided by Julianos (and almost every other set) increases significantly - major buff.
So essentially Julianos outparses Necropotence unless you are also using Twilight Tormentor (both Familiar and Twilight) against a target dummy and don't mess up your rotation, in which case DPS is basically the same. However, Julianos in this situation will still beat Necropotence when an Aggressive Warhorn is active to buff Critical Hit damage, since you gain far more benefit in raids from Warhorn if you have a high Crit rating.
Under normal circumstances Julianos beats Necropotence. In trial scenarios Julianos beats Necropotence even more. Simple as that, and Twilight Tormentor is basically fake DPS that is not realistic in trial scenarios (similar to a Warden Bear, though a Twilight is pretty good vs The Mage).
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✭I'm working on a follow-up thread to my Magicka DPS Set Comparison thread that will focus specifically on Necro, Julianos, and Spinner's on an otherwise identical complete build. Still got some more work to do on it, but I will try to address questions of shield size, pet strength, extra resources, and weapon scaling.0 -
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✭✭Pets will come back again. They used to be useless, became useful and now are apparently useless according to sorcs here0
